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Miles, Yes I once asked a preacher what his church believed or taught about a certain issue and he answered every question with another question. He asked.."..well what does the Bible say?" He simply would not answer any of my questions. I was trying to compare the different churches in my town and what they believed. If they all teach from the Bible there should only be one church. That is what I was trying to find out. Where do the differ? Where do they agree? Why are there separate churches? Yet all he would say was: "What does the Bible say?" Hey dumb guy, every Church uses the same Bible. This is a good point. To take it further though, all these religions that tend to control what one can do and what one cannot, they all have one thing in common. They all use the Bible in some way in their teachings. Coincidence? Not ment as an insult at all, but there are different denominations cause of people with mind sets as you and other people that debate "discuss" the Christian faith on here. They pick and choose what they believe to be true or not, what they want it to say and what they don't want it to say. People's pride, ego, hopes, and desires is what has caused the separation of the Christians. People wanting it to be this way or that way. Not willing to sit down and discuss coming to a final conclusion that makes sense between the two. That may be, but what I was getting at was, religion in general is used to control one's behaviors in different ways, whether one realizes that or not. And all your different branches of Christianity, as much as they differ, all share that. It says a lot about how the Bible itself is a huge control mechanism, given that. How is that any different then our laws? Bible tells us not to murder, the government tells us not to murder. The bible tells us not to steal, the government tells us not to steal. Wow the laws are a huge control mechanism, given that. Yes I agree, laws are generally used to control the masses. It is to keep everyone safe, to live in peace with one another, and not cause harm to others. So how does that make it any less of a possibility the bible is truly the word of God? It contains the laws of God just as the law books contain the laws of the land. How are the two any different? How does it become a "control mechanism"? And what profit would a government have for making a fable to scare the masses? The masses would first have to put faith in this "fable" before it would/could work. It would be much more sufficient/effective if the government just flat out said "You will have your hand cut off if you are caught stealing" or any other possibility. It wouldn't require a person to put faith in something first, it would already sustain power over the people. This brings to mind another point, both the government AND the Bible tend to break their own laws. The government does many illegal things all the time to us, but get away with it. The Bible teaches things that go against the commandments given, but yet it gets away with it because it's "God's Word". |
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Miles, Yes I once asked a preacher what his church believed or taught about a certain issue and he answered every question with another question. He asked.."..well what does the Bible say?" He simply would not answer any of my questions. I was trying to compare the different churches in my town and what they believed. If they all teach from the Bible there should only be one church. That is what I was trying to find out. Where do the differ? Where do they agree? Why are there separate churches? Yet all he would say was: "What does the Bible say?" Hey dumb guy, every Church uses the same Bible. This is a good point. To take it further though, all these religions that tend to control what one can do and what one cannot, they all have one thing in common. They all use the Bible in some way in their teachings. Coincidence? Not ment as an insult at all, but there are different denominations cause of people with mind sets as you and other people that debate "discuss" the Christian faith on here. They pick and choose what they believe to be true or not, what they want it to say and what they don't want it to say. People's pride, ego, hopes, and desires is what has caused the separation of the Christians. People wanting it to be this way or that way. Not willing to sit down and discuss coming to a final conclusion that makes sense between the two. That may be, but what I was getting at was, religion in general is used to control one's behaviors in different ways, whether one realizes that or not. And all your different branches of Christianity, as much as they differ, all share that. It says a lot about how the Bible itself is a huge control mechanism, given that. How is that any different then our laws? Bible tells us not to murder, the government tells us not to murder. The bible tells us not to steal, the government tells us not to steal. Wow the laws are a huge control mechanism, given that. Yes I agree, laws are generally used to control the masses. It is to keep everyone safe, to live in peace with one another, and not cause harm to others. So how does that make it any less of a possibility the bible is truly the word of God? It contains the laws of God just as the law books contain the laws of the land. How are the two any different? How does it become a "control mechanism"? And what profit would a government have for making a fable to scare the masses? The masses would first have to put faith in this "fable" before it would/could work. It would be much more sufficient/effective if the government just flat out said "You will have your hand cut off if you are caught stealing" or any other possibility. It wouldn't require a person to put faith in something first, it would already sustain power over the people. This brings to mind another point, both the government AND the Bible tend to break their own laws. The government does many illegal things all the time to us, but get away with it. The Bible teaches things that go against the commandments given, but yet it gets away with it because it's "God's Word". God has instructed no one to do anything that went against his laws. What in the world are you talking about? |
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them?
Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ |
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Miles, Yes I once asked a preacher what his church believed or taught about a certain issue and he answered every question with another question. He asked.."..well what does the Bible say?" He simply would not answer any of my questions. I was trying to compare the different churches in my town and what they believed. If they all teach from the Bible there should only be one church. That is what I was trying to find out. Where do the differ? Where do they agree? Why are there separate churches? Yet all he would say was: "What does the Bible say?" Hey dumb guy, every Church uses the same Bible. This is a good point. To take it further though, all these religions that tend to control what one can do and what one cannot, they all have one thing in common. They all use the Bible in some way in their teachings. Coincidence? Not ment as an insult at all, but there are different denominations cause of people with mind sets as you and other people that debate "discuss" the Christian faith on here. They pick and choose what they believe to be true or not, what they want it to say and what they don't want it to say. People's pride, ego, hopes, and desires is what has caused the separation of the Christians. People wanting it to be this way or that way. Not willing to sit down and discuss coming to a final conclusion that makes sense between the two. That may be, but what I was getting at was, religion in general is used to control one's behaviors in different ways, whether one realizes that or not. And all your different branches of Christianity, as much as they differ, all share that. It says a lot about how the Bible itself is a huge control mechanism, given that. How is that any different then our laws? Bible tells us not to murder, the government tells us not to murder. The bible tells us not to steal, the government tells us not to steal. Wow the laws are a huge control mechanism, given that. Yes I agree, laws are generally used to control the masses. It is to keep everyone safe, to live in peace with one another, and not cause harm to others. So how does that make it any less of a possibility the bible is truly the word of God? It contains the laws of God just as the law books contain the laws of the land. How are the two any different? How does it become a "control mechanism"? And what profit would a government have for making a fable to scare the masses? The masses would first have to put faith in this "fable" before it would/could work. It would be much more sufficient/effective if the government just flat out said "You will have your hand cut off if you are caught stealing" or any other possibility. It wouldn't require a person to put faith in something first, it would already sustain power over the people. This brings to mind another point, both the government AND the Bible tend to break their own laws. The government does many illegal things all the time to us, but get away with it. The Bible teaches things that go against the commandments given, but yet it gets away with it because it's "God's Word". God has instructed no one to do anything that went against his laws. What in the world are you talking about? Killing his own people on a grand scale, or mass murder for one. Violates his own commamdments right there. |
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Miles, Yes I once asked a preacher what his church believed or taught about a certain issue and he answered every question with another question. He asked.."..well what does the Bible say?" He simply would not answer any of my questions. I was trying to compare the different churches in my town and what they believed. If they all teach from the Bible there should only be one church. That is what I was trying to find out. Where do the differ? Where do they agree? Why are there separate churches? Yet all he would say was: "What does the Bible say?" Hey dumb guy, every Church uses the same Bible. This is a good point. To take it further though, all these religions that tend to control what one can do and what one cannot, they all have one thing in common. They all use the Bible in some way in their teachings. Coincidence? Not ment as an insult at all, but there are different denominations cause of people with mind sets as you and other people that debate "discuss" the Christian faith on here. They pick and choose what they believe to be true or not, what they want it to say and what they don't want it to say. People's pride, ego, hopes, and desires is what has caused the separation of the Christians. People wanting it to be this way or that way. Not willing to sit down and discuss coming to a final conclusion that makes sense between the two. That may be, but what I was getting at was, religion in general is used to control one's behaviors in different ways, whether one realizes that or not. And all your different branches of Christianity, as much as they differ, all share that. It says a lot about how the Bible itself is a huge control mechanism, given that. How is that any different then our laws? Bible tells us not to murder, the government tells us not to murder. The bible tells us not to steal, the government tells us not to steal. Wow the laws are a huge control mechanism, given that. Yes I agree, laws are generally used to control the masses. It is to keep everyone safe, to live in peace with one another, and not cause harm to others. So how does that make it any less of a possibility the bible is truly the word of God? It contains the laws of God just as the law books contain the laws of the land. How are the two any different? How does it become a "control mechanism"? And what profit would a government have for making a fable to scare the masses? The masses would first have to put faith in this "fable" before it would/could work. It would be much more sufficient/effective if the government just flat out said "You will have your hand cut off if you are caught stealing" or any other possibility. It wouldn't require a person to put faith in something first, it would already sustain power over the people. This brings to mind another point, both the government AND the Bible tend to break their own laws. The government does many illegal things all the time to us, but get away with it. The Bible teaches things that go against the commandments given, but yet it gets away with it because it's "God's Word". God has instructed no one to do anything that went against his laws. What in the world are you talking about? Killing his own people on a grand scale, or mass murder for one. Violates his own commamdments right there. God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them? Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. Death and torment are not a "punishment" for what YOU have done. Eternal life is a GIFT, a REWARD for our obedience. If one doesn't wish to accept the gift, that is their own fault. Not the giver's fault, for his hand never closes. His hand is always open holding that gift out for anyone to take it up. |
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them? Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. Death and torment are not a "punishment" for what YOU have done. Eternal life is a GIFT, a REWARD for our obedience. If one doesn't wish to accept the gift, that is their own fault. Not the giver's fault, for his hand never closes. His hand is always open holding that gift out for anyone to take it up. I've said this before, if it's a GIFT, NOTHING needs to be done to receive it other than to take it. That the Biblical God makes requirements on how to get it, means it is NOT a gift. |
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them? Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. Death and torment are not a "punishment" for what YOU have done. Eternal life is a GIFT, a REWARD for our obedience. If one doesn't wish to accept the gift, that is their own fault. Not the giver's fault, for his hand never closes. His hand is always open holding that gift out for anyone to take it up. I've said this before, if it's a GIFT, NOTHING needs to be done to receive it other than to take it. That the Biblical God makes requirements on how to get it, means it is NOT a gift. Does a parent shower their disobedient child with gifts/rewards? Does a parent do exactly as their rude, crude, and disobedient child asks? I mean gives that child everything that child asks? If you said no to any of these questions, then why not? And why should God? |
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them? Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. Death and torment are not a "punishment" for what YOU have done. Eternal life is a GIFT, a REWARD for our obedience. If one doesn't wish to accept the gift, that is their own fault. Not the giver's fault, for his hand never closes. His hand is always open holding that gift out for anyone to take it up. I've said this before, if it's a GIFT, NOTHING needs to be done to receive it other than to take it. That the Biblical God makes requirements on how to get it, means it is NOT a gift. Does a parent shower their disobedient child with gifts/rewards? Does a parent do exactly as their rude, crude, and disobedient child asks? I mean gives that child everything that child asks? If you said no to any of these questions, then why not? And why should God? The difference is, God is making a strict requirement on this "gift". A parent doesn't neccessarily do that, and even then it's still not a gift if given for something they did. You need to learn your definitions, a gift is not a reward, and a reward is not a gift. They are two different things. And further, God works on a whole other level than we do, and if God is doing things even WE know aren't right, then it doesn't speak well of God. |
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Edited by
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Oh and what would it profit the government? Control? Division? Make us argue more amongst ourselves then band together against them? Not like they don't make up other things to control us also, the war on terror comes to mind. In fact......there really is no difference between the two. Comparing the two..... Religion: Promises a reward in the afterlife if you do as you are told. War on Terror: Promises safety from evil if you do as you are told. Rewards and comfort? Check. Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. War on Terror: Warns of more terror attacks if we do not comply with more and more strict regulations on what we can and can't do. Fear? Check. Religion: Creates a system of you're right or wrong, there is only one correct answer. You cannot question it, you must accept it. War on Terror: Creates a system of you're either with us or against us, a patriot or an Anti-American. There is no room for alternative arguments or questioning authority. Division, and lack of critical thinking? Check. Seems pretty similar to me........ Religion: Warns of death and torment if you do not comply with authority. Death and torment are not a "punishment" for what YOU have done. Eternal life is a GIFT, a REWARD for our obedience. If one doesn't wish to accept the gift, that is their own fault. Not the giver's fault, for his hand never closes. His hand is always open holding that gift out for anyone to take it up. I've said this before, if it's a GIFT, NOTHING needs to be done to receive it other than to take it. That the Biblical God makes requirements on how to get it, means it is NOT a gift. Does a parent shower their disobedient child with gifts/rewards? Does a parent do exactly as their rude, crude, and disobedient child asks? I mean gives that child everything that child asks? If you said no to any of these questions, then why not? And why should God? The difference is, God is making a strict requirement on this "gift". A parent doesn't neccessarily do that, and even then it's still not a gift if given for something they did. You need to learn your definitions, a gift is not a reward, and a reward is not a gift. They are two different things. And further, God works on a whole other level than we do, and if God is doing things even WE know aren't right, then it doesn't speak well of God. Again, what does God do that's not right? A judgment is not the same thing as "murder". And no it's not a "strict" requirement. Don't kill, don't steal, and don't lie pretty much sums up the laws. Love one another, don't bring pain to another. You talk like God is up there with a whip striking down here cause we didn't wax his hard wood floor correctly or fast enough. And yes a reward is not a gift. But a gift is a reward. A reward is something won in say a race or in baseball or something of such. A gift is something you give one to show your love. BUT, they "earned" that gift in one way or other. By how they treated you, someone close to you, or any of many possibilities. They earned it in one way or other. Otherwise you giving them the gift wouldn't be "special". Would be more or less in vein to a degree, because it would be pointless if it wasn't to show your gratitude for what they have done for you, emotionally, literally, or otherwise. |
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I question the very explanation of who wrote the source and why and the recent date of its inception along with the explanation of all the other things it tries to explain, causes me to think it is just someone(or group of someones) personal interpretation of what other books have said. Of course you should question the explanation of the source of any religious book that bills itself at truth, especially if you are going to adopt it as an authority in your life. I wonder why people fail to do that with the Bible. Because they are taught not to. The Christian conditioning as to who God is and what the truth is, starts at a very young age. I dont have to question the source of the bible. It is pretty clearly researched and attributed to SOMEONE. The Urantia book, written not even one hundred years ago (supposedly), not so much. |
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God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. When Joshua ordered his army to murder men, women and children he claimed that God ordered it. In any sanctioned murder, the assassin and the person who hired him are both guilty of murder. If God is all powerful, and the people were truly "evil" then God himself should strike them down. He should not contract Joshua and his men to do it. If the Bible is correct, and if God ordered Joshua to kill those people, then that God is guilty of murder. Personally I think Joshua was a liar and a war monger and a ruthless murderer. |
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God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. When Joshua ordered his army to murder men, women and children he claimed that God ordered it. In any sanctioned murder, the assassin and the person who hired him are both guilty of murder. If God is all powerful, and the people were truly "evil" then God himself should strike them down. He should not contract Joshua and his men to do it. If the Bible is correct, and if God ordered Joshua to kill those people, then that God is guilty of murder. Personally I think Joshua was a liar and a war monger and a ruthless murderer. murder - 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought How I see it: If God is the law, than this would no more be murder than a government waging war is considered to be God does not always (and probably not even usually) just HAND us over his blessings, we often must put in some effort to attain them |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. When Joshua ordered his army to murder men, women and children he claimed that God ordered it. In any sanctioned murder, the assassin and the person who hired him are both guilty of murder. If God is all powerful, and the people were truly "evil" then God himself should strike them down. He should not contract Joshua and his men to do it. If the Bible is correct, and if God ordered Joshua to kill those people, then that God is guilty of murder. Personally I think Joshua was a liar and a war monger and a ruthless murderer. murder - 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought How I see it: If God is the law, than this would no more be murder than a government waging war is considered to be God does not always (and probably not even usually) just HAND us over his blessings, we often must put in some effort to attain them Yep. The creator Gods of the Urantia book see it the same way and they talk about routinely committing genocide against a group or race of people just because they feel that they are "the law." They feel that they created life and they have the Godly right to take it away. The GOD in me says that this is wrong. !!! But in the case of Joshua, if God wanted those people dead he should have done it his self, not sanctioned Joshua to do it for him. Imagine having to lop off the head of a child. If that is not wrong then I don't know what is. |
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God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. When Joshua ordered his army to murder men, women and children he claimed that God ordered it. In any sanctioned murder, the assassin and the person who hired him are both guilty of murder. If God is all powerful, and the people were truly "evil" then God himself should strike them down. He should not contract Joshua and his men to do it. If the Bible is correct, and if God ordered Joshua to kill those people, then that God is guilty of murder. Personally I think Joshua was a liar and a war monger and a ruthless murderer. murder - 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought How I see it: If God is the law, than this would no more be murder than a government waging war is considered to be God does not always (and probably not even usually) just HAND us over his blessings, we often must put in some effort to attain them Yep. The creator Gods of the Urantia book see it the same way and they talk about routinely committing genocide against a group or race of people just because they feel that they are "the law." They feel that they created life and they have the Godly right to take it away. The GOD in me says that this is wrong. !!! But in the case of Joshua, if God wanted those people dead he should have done it his self, not sanctioned Joshua to do it for him. Imagine having to lop off the head of a child. If that is not wrong then I don't know what is. dead is dead, by bullet , sword, or plane but I respect AND disagree with your opinion about what God 'should' do |
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God has murdered no one. Murder and a judgment are two totally different things. If not then even our society of the world many "judges" would be sent to prison for giving the death penalty. When Joshua ordered his army to murder men, women and children he claimed that God ordered it. In any sanctioned murder, the assassin and the person who hired him are both guilty of murder. If God is all powerful, and the people were truly "evil" then God himself should strike them down. He should not contract Joshua and his men to do it. If the Bible is correct, and if God ordered Joshua to kill those people, then that God is guilty of murder. Personally I think Joshua was a liar and a war monger and a ruthless murderer. murder - 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought How I see it: If God is the law, than this would no more be murder than a government waging war is considered to be God does not always (and probably not even usually) just HAND us over his blessings, we often must put in some effort to attain them I can agree with that, but......it does not strike me as very loving to torture and punish if you don't do something either. Especially to the extent the Bible God does this. |
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Jeanniebean
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So if you had an order from God to slaughter women and children, I take it that you would obey that order?
What I object to is God ordering people to kill and/or murder. As you said, dead is dead. My moral compass is in place. I don't believe God spoke to Joshua any more than I believe he spoke to George Bush. (Which George Bush claimed.) That's a bunch of bull. Which means that THE BIBLE is not being honest or else Joshua lied. |
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So if you had an order from God to slaughter women and children, I take it that you would obey that order? What I object to is God ordering people to kill and/or murder. As you said, dead is dead. My moral compass is in place. I don't believe God spoke to Joshua any more than I believe he spoke to George Bush. (Which George Bush claimed.) That's a bunch of bull. Which means that THE BIBLE is not being honest or else Joshua lied. I believe my moral compass to be in place too. I see it like this, as I have said many times before, God has dominion over souls that I simply dont have nor can I truly fathom. I can affect someones mortal life but I have NO affect on what becomes of them after their mortal life is over , yet GOD does. If I have a family member on life support, whose brain is not functioning or going to function,I believe it would be merciful to take away the life support. This would be a decision about the quality of the life they would be 'living'. I believe God is concerned as much with the quality of our SOUL as he is our life. And I believe that sometimes, where God sees souls living on life support, he may take that support away out of his mercy. If he sees some souls being a cancer on other souls, having a deadening influence on those souls, he may intervene to protect the souls which are not yet infected by removing the cancer. Yes, Had I been Joshua and God had instructed me to personally save souls by eliminating a cancerous or soul dead people, I would have done it too. |
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So if you had an order from God to slaughter women and children, I take it that you would obey that order? What I object to is God ordering people to kill and/or murder. As you said, dead is dead. My moral compass is in place. I don't believe God spoke to Joshua any more than I believe he spoke to George Bush. (Which George Bush claimed.) That's a bunch of bull. Which means that THE BIBLE is not being honest or else Joshua lied. I believe my moral compass to be in place too. I see it like this, as I have said many times before, God has dominion over souls that I simply dont have nor can I truly fathom. I can affect someones mortal life but I have NO affect on what becomes of them after their mortal life is over , yet GOD does. If I have a family member on life support, whose brain is not functioning or going to function,I believe it would be merciful to take away the life support. This would be a decision about the quality of the life they would be 'living'. I believe God is concerned as much with the quality of our SOUL as he is our life. And I believe that sometimes, where God sees souls living on life support, he may take that support away out of his mercy. If he sees some souls being a cancer on other souls, having a deadening influence on those souls, he may intervene to protect the souls which are not yet infected by removing the cancer. Yes, Had I been Joshua and God had instructed me to personally save souls by eliminating a cancerous or soul dead people, I would have done it too. |
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So if you had an order from God to slaughter women and children, I take it that you would obey that order? What I object to is God ordering people to kill and/or murder. As you said, dead is dead. My moral compass is in place. I don't believe God spoke to Joshua any more than I believe he spoke to George Bush. (Which George Bush claimed.) That's a bunch of bull. Which means that THE BIBLE is not being honest or else Joshua lied. Funny thing is I used to believe in the whole Bush comment long ago lol, my how times change. Another example of the whole murder thing in the Bible is the great flood as well. You cannot tell me it is just to wipe out an entire population like that, particularly innocent little children. |
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