Just explain to me how a loving God would instruct anyone to kill somebody? Seems like a glorified hitman to me.

God condemns no one. We condemn ourselves or we save ourselves. We choose to obey his laws "saving ourselves" or we refuse to "condemning ourselves". Why must you put the blame on someone else?

I have already explained it, it is fine if the explanation isnt suiting to all , or even any, who read it.

It is just in the same way that the death penalty is JUST for those who have taken a life.

It is just in the same way it is just to pull the plug on someone whose body is still 'living' but has no brain activity and no chance of doing more than just existing in a bed.


It is just in the same way it is just to choose women and children first in times of emergencies while agreeing the men will basically die if there is no room.


It is just in the same way that taking out someone who makes it clear they intend to torture your family and who has indeed tortured and killed others is just.

Well, if you want to look at it that way then then it's not required to believe in Jesus or Christianity in order to be "saved" and it clearly has nothing to do with any sacrificial lambs either.

Jesus himself said, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven".

Well, I don't judge others, I don't condemn anyone, and I forgive all, so there you go.

You can rest assured that I will indeed not be condemned, and so I guess that equates to being "saved".

And there isn't even any need to support Christianity in any way shape or form. In fact, this same message is actually also taught by many other religions including Wicca and Buddhism.

Still, I see no reason to send people who judge others to everlasting punishment. But then I forgive everyone.

Evidently the Hebrews believe that God does not.

What I would like to know, is how anyone can possibly believe that God would ask humans to slaughter other humans.

If this God is so all powerful, there would be no need for it. (He could raise his hand and take their souls.

By asking people to kill without mercy, you de-humanize them and desensitize them. If you don't believe me, ask anyone who has had to kill others in wartime.

This is no way to spread love in the world.

But how do you know these people have a threat to you? Is it cause of their actions, or cause "God" is saying it?

Cowboy wrote:

First off, yes God does forgive everyone. But how can one receive forgiveness when they haven't asked? How can someone ask for forgiveness when they do not believe in whom they are asking forgiveness from?

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 11:26

26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Notice the similarities between the two verses I posted. If one believes in Jesus. Believing in Jesus is the start, then comes asking for forgiveness, then comes repenting from that which you've asked for forgiveness of.

I could quote you verses books too. Does that make them true?

If so then all of the teachings of Buddha are true since they have also all been written down in books.

Unless you can PROVE to me beyond any shadow of a doubt that the book you are quoting from has any merit, then you may as well be quoting from Greek Mythology as far as I'm concerned. All you're quoting to me are the mere opinions of men (or possibly even outright fabricated fables for all I know)

That same cannon of stories that you're quoting from contains totally outrageous and absurd things that can't possibly be true, IMHO.

Cowboy wrote:

No quoting them doesn't make them true. How do you know they are not true? And just because they are written down doesn't make them true either. They are history, they are past events. How can one prove something of the past if the listener isn't willing to allow the possibility? I can talk till I'm blue in the face about God and the history of mankind but it would not make any matter if you are not willing to allow the possibility. Same goes with everything. You could discuss till you're blue in the face coming up with all kinds of things YOU think are evidence of the say landing on the moon. Ah, it's all hearsay rumors, it's all set up to make it appear like we did. NOTHING can be shown as totally absolutely true less one is willing to allow it to be. No one can not prove to you the biblical God is our God, less you are willing to accept it. No one can prove columbus discovered America, less you are willing to accept it. No one can prove the word is mostly covered with water, less you are willing to accept it. No one can prove the world is round, less you are willing to accept it. No one can prove to you anything, less you are willing to accept it.

First off, it's only important to YOU that you RAM your religion down my throat. It's not important to me that I swallow it.

I've already explained to you far more time than should be required that I've examined that cannon of stories in GREAT DETAIL, and I have concluded with absolute certainty that it's filled with lies, or extremely poorly-thought-out unwise fables.

There is NOTHING you can possibly say to change that. In fact, as far as I'm concerned by the time you make it to my age, you may very well have totally changed your mind by then and actually be supporting the views I currently hold right now.

Although I confess that I would indeed be surprised by that because you refuse to take an honest objective look at the religion, and you have already confessed that you have totally closed your mind off to all other religions and spiritual philosophies as being "unworthy of your study".

With an attitude like that I doubt very much that you will be freed from the dogma you have buried yourself in.

Besides, Cowboy you're the hardcore SALESMAN here.

I'm simply not buying.

I couldn't care less whether you buy into Wicca, Buddhism, Atheism, or even remain a Christian for the rest of your life.

There's no reason for me to concerned about your "fate" because I happen to TRUST GOD to be righteous and to 'save' you if you too are righteous. (assuming any "saving" needs to be done at all)

This is something that you clearly do NOT TRUST GOD to do.

Not even for yourself based on your posts in other thread.

LOL, you got me all wrong Abra. I'm not a salesman trying to sell anything. I'm here to have discussion. Not to convert anyone, not to change anyone's mind. Just discussing different people's view on spirituality. That is all, just peaceful discussion on different views of life.

This is something that you clearly do NOT TRUST GOD to do.

Not even for yourself based on your posts in other thread.

Wow. All of this came from Faith v. Fear?

lol, its a touchy subject
you might as well have posted patriotism vs craziness

its just the implication that they are seperate things and the belief others hold that they are a part of each other,,,,,,

my human heart cannot fathom how to dispense true justice where our souls are concerned.

why did the offspring of adam and eve have to suffer for what was done in the beginning by SOMEONE else

how could a father see their son tortured and murdered by others and have the power to end them all and spare them instead, not only sparing them but giving them an option to be spared ETERNALLY


these are examples , in my opinion, of how he is HIGHER than I am and how his responsbilities are beyond any I could comprehend completely or carry out being a human who knows only how to appreciate the value of flesh the way humans do and not how to evaluate the soul as God must do



I hope I am given the opportunity to discover the answer to those questions. The only rationale I have is of the mortal type which would see the need for EXAMPLE and JUSTICE. If the crimes being committed are slaughter and murder, than it would be a JUST sentence to be slaughtered in return.

Abracadabra writes:

"People just seem to dislike Christians for some reason. Puting a christian thread on the "General religion chat" Is like releasing a chipmunk in a room full of hungry bob cats."

Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion. Of course people do not like us, because we speak the truth, and when you get right down to it, people want to do what they want to do. And so, when a Christian states not to do something, we are disliked.

As far as the chipmunk - bobcat analogy goes, if anything, it is the other way around. Only difference is that as lions, we are called not to injure the sheep.

LOL, you got me all wrong Abra. I'm not a salesman trying to sell anything. I'm here to have discussion. Not to convert anyone, not to change anyone's mind. Just discussing different people's view on spirituality. That is all, just peaceful discussion on different views of life.

Abracadabra writes:

"People just seem to dislike Christians for some reason. Puting a christian thread on the "General religion chat" Is like releasing a chipmunk in a room full of hungry bob cats."

Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion. Of course people do not like us, because we speak the truth, and when you get right down to it, people want to do what they want to do. And so, when a Christian states not to do something, we are disliked.

As far as the chipmunk - bobcat analogy goes, if anything, it is the other way around. Only difference is that as lions, we are called not to injure the sheep.