you have a point ...... after all men wrote it ......

the bible doesn't get you into heaven

You basically can learn from the original if you put the same study in with reference helps that show the original language and how it was translated.. most never devote the time.. someone else tells them what it says and means and the Bible does not support that..or else thier would be no reason for the Holy Spirit to teach every man.. Blessings...Miles

I dont read the language, I must trust translations. But each translation I have read pretty much says the same thing.

king james
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1899 American Edition
18He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



..the only difference which really occurs is the interchange of judge with condemn

In error? How can anyone know?
It is simply someone's opinion.

It also depends on how you interpret the verse.

Fear of any person or being can't be a good thing unless it helps you to get out of the way of their anger or wrath.

Knowledge of the law of karma and consequences is wisdom. I may fear the consequences of jumping off a cliff.

In ancient times people were in awe of things that are written. It took a lot of work and knowledge to write things in a book.

Not so today. We have the Internet and many things are written that are not true.

But back then, people thought that if it is written, then it must be true.

That itself is not true.

When you change a word, you change the meaning even if ever so slightly.

Over many rewrites and many new words being changed and over many years, the message will eventually be distorted.

If your father has rules for your own good and you fear breaking the rules because of displine can you not have faith your father has his best intentions for you? My people are destroyed for lack of wisdom then we read wisdom is he who has fear of Yahweh.. no contradictions thier. if you fear doing wrong brings judgement then you also have faith everyone is judged the same. any good father treats his children the same

When people rewrite the Bible in their own words, they do it according to how they interprete it.

There are many different Christian churches, each with their own interpretation of the Bible, and each with their own favorite version of that book. It is these many interpretations that has caused so many different denominations and churches and split the church.

Makes one wonder what the original intention of the teaching truly was supposed to be. Makes me think that I probably would be wise to ignore them all, and not to take sides in these silly arguments.

Even in our little town, there are seven different Christian Churches. The seventh day Adventist church practices their religion on Saturday and they seem to think that makes them right and everyone else wrong.

I am not versed on all of the other differences in the Churches. Some frown on people wearing jewelry. Others speak in tongues, which is similar to demonic possession in my view. Some pray for the destruction of a business they don't approve of, which is black magic in my opinion. There was once a church, (it may still exist, I don't know) where people would beat each other with sticks and whips until the floors were bloody.

I look upon these things and don't want any part of them. They seem like strange insane cults to me.

possibly, but not absolutely

depending upon the integrity of the translations

like the game of telephone, if the people playing the game are AWARE of how distorted the orginal message might be, they probably will be much more CAUTIOUS in how they REPEAT the message to each other,, and it might come out JUST as it started or with very very very little change,,,

I am an adult and I have grown up. I no longer need to abide by my fathers rules. I have reached a place where I make decisions and I take responsibility for them.

It is the same with any so-called father in heaven that you believe exists. I have grown up spiritually and I know right from wrong. I do not need a church or book to spell it out for me.

There comes a time in human evolution where they have to grow up and take responsibility for their own lives and make their own moral choices. Are we to believe that we have learned nothing about love and compassion? I don't believe that.

I have faith that the law of consequences is fair and everyone is subject to them. I don't buy that there is an entity called God who personally reviews my life and makes judgments. We all answer to an automatic law.

And yet we can't really know for sure, and there are some people who take the Bible verses and their personal translations and try to live by it literally and try to pass it off as the literal truth.

the options are this

it is the truth, in which case those who abide by it are none the worse

it is not the truth, in which case those who abide by it are only WORSE off in cases where they have obsessed over the rituals instead of living the message

You are right on cource JB. Yahshua came to correct the true meaning of the scriptures and send the Holy Spirit. The Bible says his people will know him through the Word Yahshua. who did his fathers will. When the Scriptures were split up to make a division as one is old and one is new it gave rise to any interpretations. Paul said the Torah is our Schoolmaster.. The Torah is refered to as the Word.. This has to mean that Yahshua was the Walking Talking Torah as he was sinless and this Torah was the measuring stick of what sin is. so no wonder most everyone has not a clue.. They say the Basics are wrong.. what field of study can you throw out the Basics and ever understand your field? Blessings...Miles

The third option is this:

Question everything. The Bible is many books. It is neither all true or all false. It is just a book. You may get something worthwhile out of it or you might not.

Absolutely.. the Bible calls this the Milk of the word when you 1st come to believe and study and the Meat of the word when you go out on your own and teach others.. no different.. but we all have to 1st learn and then we are responcible for our actions..

I agree with everything but that it is just a book. I do believe it to be a book INSPIRED of God, to be a resource by which His children can better understand his message/their purpose,,,etc,,,

With everything in the bible there are contradictions galore.

For example, Jesus supposedly also said:

John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

So here Jesus is saying that he won't judge anyone for not believing in him or his words.

The Christians are quick to bring up the next verse:

John. 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

They claim that the Father will then judge that person.

However, then we have the following:

John.5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Well, something's gotta give. All of these things cannot be simultaneously true verbatim. Either Jesus himself was confused, or there are gross errors in these translations, or it was just a poorly written fable. I opt to believe that one of these latter things are true. And thus I conclude that the New Testament is unworthy of acceptance as the verbatim word of God. It's clearly riddled with errors, or potentially outright fibs.

It is because I have realized that I am responsible for my own thoughts and actions (my sins as it were..).. that I reject the myth that anyone would have to die for my sins two thousand years ago or that I would allow such a thing to take place.

It might have been inspired and it might not have been. But it would not be the only book in existence that was inspired by God. If God can inspire someone back then, God can certainly inspire someone today. I have read many inspired by God books that have helped me a great deal in my own spiritual journey.

There are a lot of books today. Some are crap; some are jewels.

But they are all still just books.

Don't misunderstand; I think that books are a great thing!

I have a wall full of them.

If people would just throw out all the hogwash and learn what the scriptures say for themselves then they would not be in so much confusion. even parenting if you believe in the scriptures then your example to your children the same as Yahshua's example to us is not that hard. its equal for all.


Prov 22:6

6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.
NKJV
This is very true..


Deut 6:7
7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.
NKJV

This is the Torah which everything is judged by.

Gal 3:24-25
4 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Messiah, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster .
KJV

The Milk and the Meat of the Word.

As was said when we leave the house then we are under what authority? Many in life leave families and come back and leave thier spiritual life and come back. David prayed Please forgive the sins of my youth.. I believe we could all pray that prayer. but the ending of a mans life tells his true character not the beginning. but hopefully as we grow older we get wiser and will return to what we know is right.. Blessings...Miles