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Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 03/21/11 01:59 PM
Who is crying about anything? I'm not crying. You write that "all religions have to be taught or none. The state can show no favoritism, although it has and that is why Christians are crying about it now, or it will be choosing a national/state religion which against the constitution." So, teach 'em all. You want to teach Wicca, go right ahead. Bottom line is this, you put my God up against any of these other gods, and Yahweh will win, hands down. Many kids I teach tried these other gods, and it left them hollow and empty. So, Dragoness and I are now in favor of having religion in public schools. Who else? Only if you are willing to pay for all those religions to be taught and only to college students thank you very much.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:00 PM
JeannieBean writes: "Christians cry like babies cause they can't teach their book in public schools." Who is crying? We're merely discussing. You are. Your antagonizing posts indicate that your feathers are ruffled. You are trying to ruffle mine. It ain't working. Get a different hobby. "Take your kids to church. Leave other people's kids alone." Why are you afraid of an elective? Also, Dragoness looks grumpy in her profile pic. She looks like someone peed in her Cherrios. Have you ever noticed how Christians just seem to smile more? I'm not the least bit afraid there will ever be any elective. It isn't going to happen, so give it up. I know lots and lots of Christians, and they definitely do not smile more. I still do not understand why people are still so against it even as an eLECTIVE ( in other words, something available to those who wish to study it, but not forced upon those who arent) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof seems like banning is prohibiting even 'voluntary/elective/free' exercise Dear girl... You are certainly free to practice your religion! But if the State sponsored any religion, and put it in the public schools, one day you might discover that your children were being taught some other religion besides the one you want. Don't you understand that concept? Please try to get that into perspective. no, the concept I am getting is an ELECTIVE, which means it wouldnt happen to MY child if I didnt want it to.

freakyshiki2009 Joined Sun 02/27/11 Posts: 902	Mon 03/21/11 02:00 PM Edited by freakyshiki2009 on Mon 03/21/11 02:02 PM
Dragoness writes: "All religions have to be taught or none." Then she writes: "No religion can be sanctioned by the government and be taught by the government." Then, she writes: "Only if you are willing to pay for all those religions to be taught and only to college students thank you very much." Why would I have to pay for this? Public school is free. And why should this be taught only in colleges? Do you mean to tell me that kids learning how to put condoms on at 5 years old is relevant. But, learning about the Bible? Oh no!!!!! Dragoness, it is a simple question - if all religions could be taught, would you favor religion in public schools? As for Jeanniebean stating that I am crying, I have to take this with a grain of salt as she states that teaching the Bible is akin to "promoting a war in public schools." Has this happened? Have their been Bible-based students involved in throwdowns? Have Scripture Scholars flashed gang signs?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:03 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/21/11 02:03 PM
But none of this answers why the BIBLE should be banned? I guess you just aren't listening. Why do you think schools in my community banned Harry Potter? This is a relevant question. I dont know why they banned it but Im sure it was something that had to do with how YOUR COMMUNITY accepted or didnt accept the book in ITS SCHOOLS. This is the same choice I feel should be given regarding the Bible. Let the communities decide and keep it out of governments decision. No they banned it because they decided and judged it as anti-Christianity. They thought it was too popular among their kids, and that it would turn their kids towards witchcraft and away from Christianity. They banned it because of their religion. and that was their right,, as a community Maybe, maybe not. Harry Potter is not billed as truth or as the Word of God by any religious group. It is not a religion. I say they did not have that right. They banned it because it was a threat to their religion.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:03 PM
lol, at bible based throwdowns and christian scholar gang signs.... u crack me up dude

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:04 PM
But none of this answers why the BIBLE should be banned? I guess you just aren't listening. Why do you think schools in my community banned Harry Potter? This is a relevant question. I dont know why they banned it but Im sure it was something that had to do with how YOUR COMMUNITY accepted or didnt accept the book in ITS SCHOOLS. This is the same choice I feel should be given regarding the Bible. Let the communities decide and keep it out of governments decision. No they banned it because they decided and judged it as anti-Christianity. They thought it was too popular among their kids, and that it would turn their kids towards witchcraft and away from Christianity. They banned it because of their religion. and that was their right,, as a community Maybe, maybe not. Harry Potter is not billed as truth or as the Word of God by any religious group. It is not a religion. I say they did not have that right. I dont know the details. If it went to a vote, i think it was in standing with what democratic rights most of us assume.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:06 PM
JeannieBean writes: "Christians cry like babies cause they can't teach their book in public schools." Who is crying? We're merely discussing. You are. Your antagonizing posts indicate that your feathers are ruffled. You are trying to ruffle mine. It ain't working. Get a different hobby. "Take your kids to church. Leave other people's kids alone." Why are you afraid of an elective? Also, Dragoness looks grumpy in her profile pic. She looks like someone peed in her Cherrios. Have you ever noticed how Christians just seem to smile more? I'm not the least bit afraid there will ever be any elective. It isn't going to happen, so give it up. I know lots and lots of Christians, and they definitely do not smile more. I still do not understand why people are still so against it even as an eLECTIVE ( in other words, something available to those who wish to study it, but not forced upon those who arent) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof seems like banning is prohibiting even 'voluntary/elective/free' exercise Dear girl... You are certainly free to practice your religion! But if the State sponsored any religion, and put it in the public schools, one day you might discover that your children were being taught some other religion besides the one you want. Don't you understand that concept? Please try to get that into perspective. no, the concept I am getting is an ELECTIVE, which means it wouldnt happen to MY child if I didnt want it to. Why on earth should there even be an elective on the study of a single book that is billed as the word of God, when they can spend an entire day on Sunday learning about it? waste of time...and tax payers money.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 03/21/11 02:07 PM
Dragoness writes: "All religions have to be taught or none." Then she writes: "No religion can be sanctioned by the government and be taught by the government." Then, she writes: "Only if you are willing to pay for all those religions to be taught and only to college students thank you very much." Why would I have to pay for this? Public school is free. And why should this be taught only in colleges? Do you mean to tell me that kids learning how to put condoms on at 5 years old is relevant. But, learning about the Bible? Oh no!!!!! Dragoness, it is a simple question - if all religions could be taught, would you favor religion in public schools? As for Jeanniebean stating that I am crying, I have to take this with a grain of salt as she states that teaching the Bible is akin to "promoting a war in public schools." Has this happened? Have their been Bible-based students involved in throwdowns? Have Scripture Scholars flashed gang signs? I said earlier that for all students to learn all religions it would take up all their time in school so not a good plan. Plus the cost to teach all the students all the religions would be horrendous not a good plan especially when people don't like to pay for the kids in school now and lastly it would have to be monitored by the government to be assured that we were fairly teaching each religion in its least fearmongering form and to make sure that no schools were skipping out on any of the ones they don't like, etc... It is easier and less of a problem for the government and us to let the family teach them whatever cocamame religions they want and keep the schools teaching science. Can you imagine how many of our kids will lose out on the global market for decent jobs if all they learn is 1000s of different religions all through school?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:08 PM
JeannieBean writes: "Christians cry like babies cause they can't teach their book in public schools." Who is crying? We're merely discussing. You are. Your antagonizing posts indicate that your feathers are ruffled. You are trying to ruffle mine. It ain't working. Get a different hobby. "Take your kids to church. Leave other people's kids alone." Why are you afraid of an elective? Also, Dragoness looks grumpy in her profile pic. She looks like someone peed in her Cherrios. Have you ever noticed how Christians just seem to smile more? I'm not the least bit afraid there will ever be any elective. It isn't going to happen, so give it up. I know lots and lots of Christians, and they definitely do not smile more. I still do not understand why people are still so against it even as an eLECTIVE ( in other words, something available to those who wish to study it, but not forced upon those who arent) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof seems like banning is prohibiting even 'voluntary/elective/free' exercise Dear girl... You are certainly free to practice your religion! But if the State sponsored any religion, and put it in the public schools, one day you might discover that your children were being taught some other religion besides the one you want. Don't you understand that concept? Please try to get that into perspective. no, the concept I am getting is an ELECTIVE, which means it wouldnt happen to MY child if I didnt want it to. Why on earth should there even be an elective on the study of a single book that is billed as the word of God, when they can spend an entire day on Sunday learning about it? waste of time...and tax payers money. teh same way there is elective of a single book billed as AMERICAN history, which is actually a collection of STORIES, just like the BIBLE could be perceived to be,,, there is generally a BASE text for every class and other resources can be referred to in studying that base,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:09 PM
It is easier and less of a problem for the government and us to let the family teach them whatever cocamame religions they want and keep the schools teaching science. cocamame

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:10 PM
Dragoness writes: "All religions have to be taught or none." Then she writes: "No religion can be sanctioned by the government and be taught by the government." Then, she writes: "Only if you are willing to pay for all those religions to be taught and only to college students thank you very much." Why would I have to pay for this? Public school is free. And why should this be taught only in colleges? Do you mean to tell me that kids learning how to put condoms on at 5 years old is relevant. But, learning about the Bible? Oh no!!!!! Dragoness, it is a simple question - if all religions could be taught, would you favor religion in public schools? As for Jeanniebean stating that I am crying, I have to take this with a grain of salt as she states that teaching the Bible is akin to "promoting a war in public schools." Has this happened? Have their been Bible-based students involved in throwdowns? Have Scripture Scholars flashed gang signs? I said earlier that for all students to learn all religions it would take up all their time in school so not a good plan. Plus the cost to teach all the students all the religions would be horrendous not a good plan especially when people don't like to pay for the kids in school now and lastly it would have to be monitored by the government to be assured that we were fairly teaching each religion in its least fearmongering form and to make sure that no schools were skipping out on any of the ones they don't like, etc... It is easier and less of a problem for the government and us to let the family teach them whatever cocamame religions they want and keep the schools teaching science. Can you imagine how many of our kids will lose out on the global market for decent jobs if all they learn is 1000s of different religions all through school? yes, if that was ALL they learned, but I was not proposing that I was proposing it as an elective, just like foreign languages are children can get through school and choose which language they wish to learn(or try to learn), ALONG with the english language, and that doesnt seem to equate them learning THOUSANDS of languages or even learning that language in exclusion of learning anything else a biblical elective would work no differently

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:11 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/21/11 02:11 PM
teh same way there is elective of a single book billed as AMERICAN history, which is actually a collection of STORIES, just like the BIBLE could be perceived to be,,, there is generally a BASE text for every class and other resources can be referred to in studying that base,, History books have changed over the years. And they are not proclaimed to the THE WORD OF GOD. Columbus did not discover America after all. People today are learning a completely different history than I did.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/21/11 02:12 PM
teh same way there is elective of a single book billed as AMERICAN history, which is actually a collection of STORIES, just like the BIBLE could be perceived to be,,, there is generally a BASE text for every class and other resources can be referred to in studying that base,, History books have changed over the years. And they are not proclaimed to the THE WORD OF GOD. Columbus did not discover America after all. Adults today learned a completely different history than I did. and the Bible has been translated to many different things as the language has expanded as well,,,, but what is the relevance of that to the book being an ELECTIVE for students to be exposed to?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 03/21/11 02:12 PM
It is easier and less of a problem for the government and us to let the family teach them whatever cocamame religions they want and keep the schools teaching science. cocamame LOL Did I spell it right? Had no clue

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:13 PM
They would have to offer too many "electives" because there are too many religions. There just are not that many teachers.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:15 PM
teh same way there is elective of a single book billed as AMERICAN history, which is actually a collection of STORIES, just like the BIBLE could be perceived to be,,, there is generally a BASE text for every class and other resources can be referred to in studying that base,, History books have changed over the years. And they are not proclaimed to the THE WORD OF GOD. Columbus did not discover America after all. Adults today learned a completely different history than I did. and the Bible has been translated to many different things as the language has expanded as well,,,, but what is the relevance of that to the book being an ELECTIVE for students to be exposed to? The relevance is that a history book is not a religion. It is not proclaimed to be the word of god. Did you not read that part. Do you not UNDERSTAND THAT PART?

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Mon 03/21/11 02:16 PM
I still do not understand why people are still so against it even as an eLECTIVE ( in other words, something available to those who wish to study it, but not forced upon those who arent) Who is supposedly prohibiting an elective course, on religion or literature, in which the bible is used? Of course a 'bible study' course, as taught at churches and catholic schools, and such, ought to be prohibited in public schools. But where is the bible as a work of literature or as a text relevent to 'religious studies' being banned??

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Mon 03/21/11 02:17 PM
Why would I have to pay for this? Public school is free.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 03/21/11 02:17 PM
Dragoness writes: "All religions have to be taught or none." Then she writes: "No religion can be sanctioned by the government and be taught by the government." Then, she writes: "Only if you are willing to pay for all those religions to be taught and only to college students thank you very much." Why would I have to pay for this? Public school is free. And why should this be taught only in colleges? Do you mean to tell me that kids learning how to put condoms on at 5 years old is relevant. But, learning about the Bible? Oh no!!!!! Dragoness, it is a simple question - if all religions could be taught, would you favor religion in public schools? As for Jeanniebean stating that I am crying, I have to take this with a grain of salt as she states that teaching the Bible is akin to "promoting a war in public schools." Has this happened? Have their been Bible-based students involved in throwdowns? Have Scripture Scholars flashed gang signs? I said earlier that for all students to learn all religions it would take up all their time in school so not a good plan. Plus the cost to teach all the students all the religions would be horrendous not a good plan especially when people don't like to pay for the kids in school now and lastly it would have to be monitored by the government to be assured that we were fairly teaching each religion in its least fearmongering form and to make sure that no schools were skipping out on any of the ones they don't like, etc... It is easier and less of a problem for the government and us to let the family teach them whatever cocamame religions they want and keep the schools teaching science. Can you imagine how many of our kids will lose out on the global market for decent jobs if all they learn is 1000s of different religions all through school? yes, if that was ALL they learned, but I was not proposing that I was proposing it as an elective, just like foreign languages are children can get through school and choose which language they wish to learn(or try to learn), ALONG with the english language, and that doesnt seem to equate them learning THOUSANDS of languages or even learning that language in exclusion of learning anything else a biblical elective would work no differently No religious electives in public schools. You either teach all of the religions to all of the students or none. That is the only way for the government run schools to be fair. It is one sided to think your one elective is all that would be needed anyway. There are hundreds if not thousands of different religions. Yours is not special or "the one". All religions are at the same level of importance for all religious people. So to be fair and show the same respect to all religions they have to be taught to all the students or none. I am hoping this is getting through. It has been repeated a few times.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/21/11 02:18 PM
but what is the relevance of that to the book being an ELECTIVE for students to be exposed to? Exposed to?? As if they have not been exposed to the Bible ever in their entire lives? Do you really believe that in this "Christian" based country that there are kids who have not been exposed to the Bible? (Well, your'e right, catholics haven't..) But you can find a Bible in lots of motel rooms, or if you talk to a Christian anywhere they will give you a Bible for free usually.