God doesn't believe in Himself? Interesting.

I believe there is no unicorns, no Santa, no easter bunny, no tooth fairy, etc. etc. etc.

But I don't go to the meetings or practice it.

"mylifetoday"...exactly why would a God need to "believe" in himself?...does he not "know"?

here's a question for the religious to ponder, and it will prove why God doesn't exist beyond their mind

THE QUESTION:
do you "believe" that you exist? ....or do you "know" that you exist?

please when answering the question only use one of the terms..."believe or "know"

I notice that the religious have a hard time answering that question without deviation

Really? You really think you have proof of that?




I know I exist.
I know God exists.
'cause I am God.

The believer. Till Satan showed his face to put doubt in people and to offer them riches beyond measures, which was a lie but it was good bait obviously.

I know I exist.

JennieBean...supposedly only the creator is God...are you supposedly the creator?

I don't know about your sister, but it sounds to me that she may possibly feel the same way I do.

I consider myself to be "agnostic" about the spiritual essence of reality. I don't know what the truth of reality is.

However, when it comes to the Abrahamic religions and Christianity I'm totally a very convinced atheist.

Those religions are clearly lies. I make no apology at all for making this statement. It's is my sincere believe and understanding that Christianity cannot possibly be true. Period.

As far as I'm concerned I have a myriad of proofs (proofs that I'm totally convinced of myself) of why Christianity cannot be true as held out by orthodox Christianity.

So it's totally unworthy of faith.

Just to back up my position I'll offer you one very simple proof, which I'm sure that you will remain in denial of and try to find excuses for. Because you are apparently more interested in defending these myths rather than considering that they are indeed false.

Here's a very simple proof of why this religion is false as held out by orthodox Christianity.

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1. This God is supposedly be 'righteous' and 'all-wise'.

2. This God hates and condemns everyone who refuses to believe in him even if their reasons for doing so are honest, sincere and well-intentioned.

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Well, #2 is a blatant contradiction to #1. Thus this religion is already an obvious falsehood before we even bother to discuss it further.

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How do you argue against this proof?

You can either try to argue against #2 by claiming that "God hates no one" and that people condemn themselves by their own free will choice to "not believe" in this God.

But that doesn't solve the problem or address the issue at all. On the contrary that is a totally ignorant response in and of itself that simply refuses to allow this God to be responsible for the conditions that he supposedly created.

So the second, and more popular approach, that most Christians use when confronted with this is to avoid #2 altogether and instead try to attack #1 by claiming that my concepts of "righteousness" and "wisdom" may not be the same as God's idea of these concepts.

Well, fine. If that's the case then it's utterly meaningless to speak of this God as being "all-righteous" and "all-wise" since his idea of what those concepts mean have absolutely no relationship to our human understanding of these concepts.

In other words, this second approach amounts to nothing more than utterly meaningless mumbo jumbo just to avoid having to confess that these stories are indeed a blatant contradiction in terms.

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The bottom line for me is that this proof stands as solid as a rock and no Christian has ever convinced me otherwise. These fables are necessarily false. They must be the made up lies of men because they simply are neither "righteous" nor "wise", as far as I'm concerned.

So whilst I may be "agnostic" in terms of a spiritual essence to reality, I am not "agnostic" toward Christianity. As far as I'm concerned it's already been proven to be nothing more than "Hebrew Mythology", just as the fables of Zeus are accepted even by the Christians to be "Greek Mythology".

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IMHO, Christianity has indeed been proven to be false without a shadow of a doubt.

cool Cowboy....if the believer came first then Atheist could only exist because the believer exist not that God exist

Cowboy....but yet you only believe in God

No, that's not what you asked. I know God exists as well. I know I exist and I know God exists. Anyone else that I have not met face to face I know not if they exist. I know not for I have no immediate knowledge of them, so I would be lying if I said I KNOW they exist.

All of us exists only because God exists, weather that's a believer or unbeliever. Everything in existence only exists because God exists and wished for it to be.

Consider this funches.

You acknowledge that you know that you exist.

How do you? You know because you experience existence.

Therefore, if you know that you exist, then you must also know that you're experiences exist. Even if only in your own mind.

Now you either believe that you are the only one who exists and that all of the people you 'experience' are figments of your imagination.

Or you believe that everyone is probably in the same boat as you and that everyone you meet probably experiences life too and therefore they probably exist as well in their own right.

Well, take that very same philosophy and apply it to Jeannie.

She either believes that she is the sole entity that exists and everything is a figment of her very own creation. In that sense she would indeed believe that she is the "sole creator" of everything.

However, she probably looks around and figures that everyone is probably in the same boat that she's in. So in that sense she recognizes that everyone is a facet of "God", and to be a facet of God is to be "God". You don't need to get all totalitarian and fascist about this concept to recognize that this is probably true for everyone.

We are all co-creators with God, but since God creates through us, we are indeed creators. So in that sense we are "God".

I AM THAT I AM.

I AM THE ONE.

I AM THE CREATOR.

Wow Cowboy. You've just confessed that you'd be lying if you said that you KNOW that Jesus exists because you have never met Jesus face-to-face.

That's amazing!

We should send this in to TRUE CONFESSIONS magazine.

I can see the headlines now:

"Christian confesses to be lying when he proclaims to know that Jesus exists!"

Maybe you saw Jesus?

Here is my picture of Jesus. Hey he did come back!!
Here is proof: A picture is worth a thousand words.

I do know Jesus exists and I have met him face to face. Everyone has seen Jesus, a lot of people just ignore him.

When you say that are you speaking metaphorically?
Or are you saying that Jesus is alive and walking around in the flesh?
or did you have a dream or vision of Jesus?
or are you seeing people who are actually invisible to others?

If you actually saw, and he exists in the flesh then you should be able to take a picture of him or else explain to people how you saw someone who nobody else can see.

Because truth is, if you tell people that you saw God or Jesus, they are going to conclude that you are having hallucinations or that you are just lying. If Jesus existed and died 2000 years ago, then you have not seen him unless he is magically appearing before your eyes and nobody else's.

Seriously Cowboy you can believe anything you want, but when you say things like that people will probably just start ignoring you too, along with the Jesus that you claim to "see."

I know that if a person imagines and believes something enough, that they can actually manifest that vision themselves, but that all comes from their own mind. If you can conjure a vision of Jesus for others to see, then you might convince someone, but if not, then it may not be to your advantage to go around claiming that you see and talk to Jesus and God. People will just think you are lying or hallucinating. I tell you this in all honesty as someone who cares.