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Topic: Teacher Facing Assault Charge for Alleged Spanking
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:09 PM
I have the ultimate teaching tool, I will treat you less than an animal out of love for you.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sun 08/01/10 04:09 PM
I get to show you how much power I have over you by hitting you when I feel like it and you can't do a thing about it except be told by me that I hit and love you. Why won't you answer my question? Why is it ok for a CHILD to ABUSE an ADULT? I did not see your question. It is never okay for anyone to abuse anyone. Violence is never the answer. I asked this question at least 3 times In your world, what's the adult supposed to do while the child is ABUSING them? group hugs...

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:11 PM
I get to show you how much power I have over you by hitting you when I feel like it and you can't do a thing about it except be told by me that I hit and love you. Why won't you answer my question? Why is it ok for a CHILD to ABUSE an ADULT? I did not see your question. It is never okay for anyone to abuse anyone. Violence is never the answer. I asked this question at least 3 times In your world, what's the adult supposed to do while the child is ABUSING them? Restraint is the best avenue until authorities can assist.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:11 PM
I have the ultimate teaching tool, I will treat you less than an animal out of love for you. we loved our pets, but they didnt get vacations, best schools, brand clothing, their own rooms and beds, friends over at their whim, outings to concerts, movies, plays,,,,,,,animals WISH they could be treated as well

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:13 PM
In the case of the OP, this teacher is in big trouble. Spanking is assault in most cases.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:14 PM
Violence is love for some parents It is a sick ideal IMO but as I have said, traditions die hard. When we learn that violence is not a good teaching tool?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:18 PM
Violence is love for some parents It is a sick ideal IMO but as I have said, traditions die hard. When we learn that violence is not a good teaching tool? spankings taught me just fine I dont condone kidnapping, but do parents sometimes have to physically lift their children and take them back to time out,,sure I dont condone theft, but do parents sometimes take items from children as punishment,,,sure when will we learn that there are few absolutes and allow parents to parent THEIR children in the best way for their children,,,,

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:21 PM
I get to show you how much power I have over you by hitting you when I feel like it and you can't do a thing about it except be told by me that I hit and love you. Why won't you answer my question? Why is it ok for a CHILD to ABUSE an ADULT? she didn't answer my spanking question either... I did not see your question either. I am sure that it got answered though.

Foliel Joined Thu 01/10/08 Posts: 1189	Sun 08/01/10 04:21 PM Edited by Foliel on Sun 08/01/10 04:25 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:24 PM
I keep trying and trying to find a healthy way to say it. I hit you in love? I strike you with love in my heart, can't you see it? I am going to do disrespectful things to your body in the name of respect? I am going to do to you what I cannot do to a grown adult without going to jail but there is nothing wrong with it. I am the person who loves you more than anyone else in this world and I am going to show you by hitting on occasion, hope you understand the love there.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:27 PM
The healthy concepts behind spanking are none. It does nothing positive for anyone and yet we have yet to learn to parent without it. It amazes me.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:29 PM
I keep trying and trying to find a healthy way to say it. I hit you in love? I strike you with love in my heart, can't you see it? I am going to do disrespectful things to your body in the name of respect? I am going to do to you what I cannot do to a grown adult without going to jail but there is nothing wrong with it. I am the person who loves you more than anyone else in this world and I am going to show you by hitting on occasion, hope you understand the love there. you can spank in love just as easily as you can do any other unpleasant thing in love, like taking toys or grounding, or forcing them to sit for a set number of minutes you show love in many ways in a BALANCED home, those hugs show love, kisses show love, quality time and attention show love, spanking shows GUIDANCE and DETERRENCE from harmful choices, which is also a type of love some understand and others dont,,, we could agree on that point and leave it,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:31 PM
The healthy concepts behind spanking are none. It does nothing positive for anyone and yet we have yet to learn to parent without it. It amazes me. the healthy concept behind spanking is teaching swift and immediate consequence as well as the need to learn and trust in the authority of the parent nothing amazing there,, really

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:31 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different. I agree to some extent. There are children who have never been struck and are CEOs of big companies today. We only hear about the bad kids. I just have never found one healthy conclusion from spanking. When someone hits us it brings fear, granted fear is a control but not a healthy one. Hitting doesn't teach respect or a healthy problem solving or anything basically except that someone will hit when they feel like it.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:32 PM Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/01/10 04:33 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different. I agree to some extent. There are children who have never been struck and are CEOs of big companies today. We only hear about the bad kids. I just have never found one healthy conclusion from spanking. When someone hits us it brings fear, granted fear is a control but not a healthy one. Hitting doesn't teach respect or a healthy problem solving or anything basically except that someone will hit when they feel like it. my forum is weird today, I was saying that what lesson YOU took from it is not necessarily the only lesson ANYONE else takes from it.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 04:32 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different. I agree to some extent. There are children who have never been struck and are CEOs of big companies today. We only hear about the bad kids. I just have never found one healthy conclusion from spanking. When someone hits us it brings fear, granted fear is a control but not a healthy one. Hitting doesn't teach respect or a healthy problem solving or anything basically except that someone will hit when they feel like it.

Foliel Joined Thu 01/10/08 Posts: 1189	Sun 08/01/10 04:32 PM
I didn't turn out all that bad, I was spanked 4 times in my entire life and I suffered no seriously negative consequences. I do not have PTSD from it, not do i feel that my parents owe me an apology. I grew up a happy child and the spankings i did get stayed in my memory for about 1 day and i forgot all about it. I did learn that my parents meant business if i was misbehaving. My mom typically used grounding as a punishment, although more oftenm than not it didnt hurt me any as I never had a life anyways.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 04:33 PM
The healthy concepts behind spanking are none. It does nothing positive for anyone and yet we have yet to learn to parent without it. It amazes me. the healthy concept behind spanking is teaching swift and immediate consequence as well as the need to learn and trust in the authority of the parent nothing amazing there,, really It can be taught without violence.

Foliel Joined Thu 01/10/08 Posts: 1189	Sun 08/01/10 04:34 PM Edited by Foliel on Sun 08/01/10 04:37 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different. I agree to some extent. There are children who have never been struck and are CEOs of big companies today. We only hear about the bad kids. I just have never found one healthy conclusion from spanking. When someone hits us it brings fear, granted fear is a control but not a healthy one. Hitting doesn't teach respect or a healthy problem solving or anything basically except that someone will hit when they feel like it. Groundation or time outs don't teach any of that either, all they teach is that when you misbehave you get imprisoned for awhile. I do agree that spanking is not a good punishment and I hope that someday parents will find a more acceptable punishment, but not all punishments work as kids are different. I didn't respond to groundation or time outs.

kayak69 Joined Sat 10/14/06 Posts: 4521	Sun 08/01/10 04:37 PM
The same time that the government stops getting into wars... This arguement will never be won, I agree that the teacher had no right whatsoever to hit the girl, but at the same time, why should the authorities raise our children for us. The parents should have been called when the girl kicked him and they should have dealt with her. I hate that people spank their children but if it works for them so be it. It is not my place to tell someone how to raise their children. I can tell you that if my kid hits me, i am not calling the police to deal with it. It's hard enough nowadays to raise children without other people telling them how to do it. Personally I have never seen a time out work, the parent usually ends up sitting in time out with the child to make sure they take the time out, and then, the kid goes right back to doing what they were put in time out for. There needs to be a good discipline system that is acceptable by all people and that will never happen as all kids are different. I agree to some extent. There are children who have never been struck and are CEOs of big companies today. We only hear about the bad kids. I just have never found one healthy conclusion from spanking. When someone hits us it brings fear, granted fear is a control but not a healthy one. Hitting doesn't teach respect or a healthy problem solving or anything basically except that someone will hit when they feel like it. And I know people that are CEOs, executives, managers, principles and even superintendents that have been spanked. What's your point?