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Topic: Teacher Facing Assault Charge for Alleged Spanking
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:21 PM
Between 1985 and 1993, violent crime actually decreased by 20 per cent among males 25 or older, while it increased 65 per cent for males 18 to 24 and by 165 per cent for 14- to 17-year-old males. So those who grew up in a period of more spanking were, and are, less violent than younger people who have grown up in a period of declining approval and practice of spanking. This does not prove that a decrease in spanking makes societies more violent, but these statistics throw cold water on any notion that blames spanking for societal violence. in the eighties and nineties, wife beating and domestic abuse were violent crimes,,, You can't prove they weren't spanked and therefore violent because of it...lol or the opposite, which is why such debate is endlessly futile cant prove unhappy children are unhappy because of spanking or that spanked children cant be happy makes me think of the arguments about homosexuality where people insist homosexuals are unhappy people because of their choice of sexual activity,,,, I may not agree with the activity, but professing to know if that person is happy or unhappy as a result is pretty bizarre and overreaching How would they know if they were unhappy, if they were told it was love? Nobody is trying to change you.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 05:22 PM
Between 1985 and 1993, violent crime actually decreased by 20 per cent among males 25 or older, while it increased 65 per cent for males 18 to 24 and by 165 per cent for 14- to 17-year-old males. So those who grew up in a period of more spanking were, and are, less violent than younger people who have grown up in a period of declining approval and practice of spanking. This does not prove that a decrease in spanking makes societies more violent, but these statistics throw cold water on any notion that blames spanking for societal violence. in the eighties and nineties, wife beating and domestic abuse were violent crimes,,, You can't prove they weren't spanked and therefore violent because of it...lol or the opposite, which is why such debate is endlessly futile cant prove unhappy children are unhappy because of spanking or that spanked children cant be happy makes me think of the arguments about homosexuality where people insist homosexuals are unhappy people because of their choice of sexual activity,,,, I may not agree with the activity, but professing to know if that person is happy or unhappy as a result is pretty bizarre and overreaching How would they know if they were unhappy, if they were told it was love? Nobody is trying to change you. I have heard the same said to homosexuals,,,,shrugs... how do they know they are unhappy if they are told it is love? nobody wants to change them,,,, etc...etc...

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:23 PM
This type of behavior never happened when I was in school and paddlings were allowed.....these kids today are way too out of control with lack of discipline because of it and then they get in trouble with the law because they are allowed to act this way. What about assault charges on the student as well for kicking the teacher. That would be true justice. I agree the child needs to be charged too. Paddling never did anything positive for the children. Children have been acting out for as long as there have been children, spanking has made no change in this.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/01/10 05:24 PM Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/01/10 05:25 PM
This type of behavior never happened when I was in school and paddlings were allowed.....these kids today are way too out of control with lack of discipline because of it and then they get in trouble with the law because they are allowed to act this way. What about assault charges on the student as well for kicking the teacher. That would be true justice. I agree the child needs to be charged too. Paddling never did anything positive for the children. Children have been acting out for as long as there have been children, spanking has made no change in this. lol, lots of things have gone on without much change, like murder, theft, lying, there have been many things that brought change to individuals regarding those types of choices I have seen spanking deter quite a bit of ACTING OUT. It just depends upon the child.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 08/01/10 05:26 PM
This type of behavior never happened when I was in school and paddlings were allowed.....these kids today are way too out of control with lack of discipline because of it and then they get in trouble with the law because they are allowed to act this way. What about assault charges on the student as well for kicking the teacher. That would be true justice. another light in the cloud,, I am all for it,, the teacher overstepped his assigned authority in that situation but the child also overstepped her entitlement ,, both should get punished or neither,,, I agree they both reacted in violence and both should face the same charges.... my son hit another child in school and I took him to a police friend that explained in our state you can be arrested at the age of nine for any crime including assault on another person....we then explained about juvenile hall and that the kids there aren't there because they are nice kids.....This girl is in high school and going out into the real world and needs to learn this lesson herself

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:29 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd.

kayak69 Joined Sat 10/14/06 Posts: 4521	Sun 08/01/10 05:32 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd. There is a difference between spanking and abuse. Ask ANY cop.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 08/01/10 05:36 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd. Bahhh wrong.....I spank my child when necessary.....when he wont listen and no amount of talking to him chamges his attitude....a spanking does no one is saying cruelty....it only takes one for me to get him adjusted and acting properly......but some children will not listen without it and I know and use many methods before that point....abuse is wrong and spanking is not necessarily a violent act

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:37 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd. There is a difference between spanking and abuse. Ask ANY cop. I bet if you asked the spanked child it would be abuse at the time.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:39 PM
Spanking is not a violent act????? In whose world?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:41 PM
This type of behavior never happened when I was in school and paddlings were allowed.....these kids today are way too out of control with lack of discipline because of it and then they get in trouble with the law because they are allowed to act this way. What about assault charges on the student as well for kicking the teacher. That would be true justice. I agree the child needs to be charged too. Paddling never did anything positive for the children. Children have been acting out for as long as there have been children, spanking has made no change in this. lol, lots of things have gone on without much change, like murder, theft, lying, there have been many things that brought change to individuals regarding those types of choices I have seen spanking deter quite a bit of ACTING OUT. It just depends upon the child. All spanking did was show the parent can act out just as badly as the child does. Have you ever watched a parent spank? They look like a large unruly child themselves

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:43 PM
Again spanking is an accepted absurdity of our society that gets undue credit for being a good thing. Spanking has no healthy concept to it. I am going to raise my hand and proceed to strike something littler than me in a loving act of violence. There is just no way that it isn't absurd.

kayak69 Joined Sat 10/14/06 Posts: 4521	Sun 08/01/10 05:45 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd. There is a difference between spanking and abuse. Ask ANY cop. I bet if you asked the spanked child it would be abuse at the time. Well, no ****, just like if you ask any child if being grounded or having their play station taken away is abuse, they'll tell you it is.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 05:49 PM
The ideal that spanking does something positive is a tradition in our societies. It isn't provable and should be in fact be more disprovable since it is a violent act perpetrated on very little being who cannot defend themselves. The absurdity of hitting those you love for their betterment is really absurd. There is a difference between spanking and abuse. Ask ANY cop. I bet if you asked the spanked child it would be abuse at the time. Well, no ****, just like if you ask any child if being grounded or having their play station taken away is abuse, they'll tell you it is. So we shouldn't believe the children?

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 08/01/10 05:51 PM
Spanking is not a violent act????? In whose world? because it doesnt have to be painful to be affective and when u do have love in it it injures pride and not physical....... daddies hands were kind and soft when I was sad daddies hands were hard as steel when I'd done wrong daddies hands werent always gentle but what I came to understand was there was always love in daddies hands

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 06:03 PM
That is a sick poem IMO What else could "daddy's hands" do in the name of love? Spanking is a violent act. If I smack someone, even it it doesn't hurt them it is considered a violent act and I can go to jail for it.

kayak69 Joined Sat 10/14/06 Posts: 4521	Sun 08/01/10 06:08 PM
That is a sick poem IMO What else could "daddy's hands" do in the name of love? Spanking is a violent act. If I smack someone, even it it doesn't hurt them it is considered a violent act and I can go to jail for it. Again, talk to ANY cop and they will tell you there is A difference (Though it is a fine line) between abuse and discipline.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 06:09 PM
Spanking is a violent act. If I smack someone, even it it doesn't hurt them it is considered a violent act and I can go to jail for it.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/01/10 06:27 PM
The absurdity of hitting our children to show them love is completely outrageous.

Kings_Knight Joined Sat 01/31/09 Posts: 3718	Sun 08/01/10 06:28 PM
The absurdity of hitting our children to show them love is completely outrageous. Children are not spanked to show them 'love'. They are spanked to teach them right from wrong.