here I thought I was posting in this thread the whole time. It just hit me when I saw this one again that the other thread was about something else and got morphed

I told you that one got hijacked

It just occurred to me. I thought I was in this one the whole time. shows that I don't pay much attention huh?

Haha whateva! Who insulted who by calling some rats? Hmmmm, read some posts will ya. funny how you won't call on that person. way ta go.

You just happen to be the one I noticed doing it. I might have missed the post where someone else was doing it, but it would have been just as childish.

I just got it I need a nap I guess

Kinda like the pot that called the kettle black calling itself a pot.

don't confuse me

I just figured out I was in a thread that I thought was this one and just got the joke too

Benedict Arnold was originally a general, promoted once to major general, in the american continental army. He switched sides after he was passed over many times for a promotion. Somehow I doubt they would have promoted him if they thought he wasn't loyal. I also believe that there was a pledge in order to be a high ranking officer.

Regardless of that, there shouldn't be a need to say a pledge to prove loyalty to ones country. That just shows lack of trust in our citizens (in my own opinion that is)

I'm curious as to if anyone remembers being in school, and just how nasty and clique-ish kids are? Look at what we have with regards to bullying and we know its being done!

It's all well and good to say that kids can ignore other kids praying, and everyone mind their own business and live in their own happy worlds. It doesn't happen that way in school.

I remember a kid threatening to burn a cross on my front yard because I was reading The Naked Ape. He asked my religious views and I told him and it offended him. I didn't go spouting off. He backed off when I threatened him that if it did, I'd come for him, and there'd be a long session of skinning, and then I'd know who else was Klan and go hunting.

These kids and their parents are suing the schools BECAUSE other kids don't keep their mouths shut on the religious crap.

Heck, my parents went in to complain when the 10 minutes of silence the school had caused me trouble. My 10 minutes consisted of flipping open the book I had and silently reading to myself. I got all sorts of grief from the fellow students because of it. The teacher didn't do anything, so my parents did and threatened a lawsuit. School backed off and quit.

you obviously have never served in the military. at least not the american military. every enlisted person on induction is required to swear this oath.

"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

the last four words may now be eliminated as the soldier choses. all officers upon commissioning take basically the same oath with the exception of the phrase, "and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter" in place of "and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". general officer no matter how many stars take no additional oath.

what people fail to understand about the military is that this oath legally binds the sayer to the uniform code of military justice. you literally swear off the constitution for the ucmj for the most part. without the oath there would be no destinction and both the constitution and the ucmj would apply. i was proud to take both oaths first as an enlisted man then as an officer. if you cannot see swearing away most of your constitutional rights as is required for a military to be effective, stay away from the military. but thank those who sacrafice that and more for their service at least.

Why should kids keep their mouth shut about religion or anything else that doesnt directly insult someone? I seem to remember when I Was in school there were kids complaining and jesting about me in an all white class when they indoctrinated black history into the school calander. Im sure plenty of those parents would have wished black students would keep their mouth shut too but Im glad we/they didnt. If everyone backed down from beliefs and speaking whenever others wished they would shut up,,we wouldnt have forums like this.

I also dont think OBama would ever want anyone saying a pledge to him or that the majority would say a pledge to any man. Do you realize the kinds of things one can buy on EBAY? What folks choose to make profit from generally doesnt determine political mood.

potato, potaato

But for the sake of argument, let me rewrite and say that if you do not like it if people are praying in a specific place or area, then you have the right to go to a different locale, if you so choose, just as those people who are praying have the right to pray where they are at if they so choose to do so.

Then you have the right to go someplace else if you so choose to do so, don't you?

And I am sorry, but religion is NOT a personal matter. It is very much a group and society matter (society does not mean everyone living there or even a majority).

You're still telling people to go somewhere else if they don't like prayer. You don't want people to do that to you, yet it's ok to do to others?

It's the Jerry Springerlike part in him ()

I'll provide the wood and fuel for the fire

the patrirats

Must be!

i am not telling, ordering, dictating, suggesting or anything to anyone. I am saying that you already have the option. If you and a buddy are on the street and me and a buddy are on the same street, all four of us have as much right to be there as the next person; and thanks to the fact that this is a religiously free country, that means my buddy and I can stop and pray at the corner if we wish to do so. It also means that you have the opotion to stand there and participate, stand there and watch with disbelief, OR MOVE ON WITH YOUR BUSINESS AND JUST KEEP GOING.

It is YOUR CHOICE in how to react and what to do if you see people praying in public, just as it is their choice to pray in public in the first place.