Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".

lol, they aren't the same...but they both have the feel of indoctrination, sort of. sort of like we're getting the kids used to something at an early age, whether that be supporting the flag or supporting obama.

we do the same thing when we take our kids to church or to a meal...we get them used to how we want them to be when they grow up. when it's us as parents doing it, it's raising the kids. when it's the school doing it...there's more wondering about the reasons.

and it doesn't have to be a brick wall that we disagree. this is a place for many views to have an open discussion and share different viewpoints.

Ya I bet...

Absolutely..

Sarcasm noted. The difference here is that no one is trying to change anyones mind. Just explaining our own experience. You like it, great, no problem. I don't, no big deal either.

Yah, no big deal.

Everyone have a great day.

I don't understand how you would think it's indoctrinating children.
I allways looked at it as having pride in my country.

Yes, very true. it's a person's own convictions that causes issues.

It's not indoctrinating our kids, just a play of words. You're right, for me and my family it's a matter of pride for this great Country.

i guess...because it's like swearing blind loyalty. i won't do that for anyone or anything. i have to use my own ethical compass to decide. not everything my country does is right, and i can't back what i don't believe in.

i'd rather swear to...be a better neighbor, be a better human, be a better mother; swear to better the world, at least in some small way; swear to stand up to injustice and for the little ones...

if that makes me a better individual than citizen, so be it.

So one can't be proud with out wearing in on one's sleeve? We need sayings in order to prove how we feel about our country. And who do we need to prove this to? Eachother? Are the children all reciting this to let eachother know we get the program?

I like that attitude.

We need to take the words "under God" out of the pledge and return America to its traditional values

As long as we make sure that the "traditional" is not racist and no religion in the government that would be great.

The're thinking of changing it back. be seeing you

Back to the nazi salute?

The way things are going,I wouldn't doubt it.
be seeing you

probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone.

Yes, we need to put God back in the churches

Well said, madame!