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I never said the pledge either, I would stand and be respectful but would never say it. I always show respect for this country and for the people that run it or protect it, but I don't always agree with how things are done.
The schools used to call my mom but like Lulu did my mom defended my right to not say it. I do not feel that it should be something children are told to say. If they don't feel it in their hearts then they shouldn't say it. I also do not like the under god part, as I am an atheist, why do I have to be under a god I don't believe in? I thought the pledge was fine the way it was. |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".   be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously |
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Christians don't believe we are the ONLY religion, we are very accepting of other religions. What we don't like are others telling us God has to be excluded from so many things yet allow other religions seep it's way in place of God.
If one religion, as this post is of God, is not allowed then by golly shut EVERY religion out. It just seems that so many people have no problems shoving God away but have tolerance for other religions that could be very harmful to this Country.    |
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I don't follow any religion, I do think all religion should be kept in the heart, at home or in a place of worship. I also feel that people should have the right to worship as they see fit, provided ritual sacrifice isn't required, as long as it isn't bothering anyone then there is no harm in it.
I read religion just like I read mythology, since all mythology at one time was a religion. |
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. Yes, but you believe in God, right? Many out there don't. |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously It's a shame he was even suspended! Oh my goodness! Well at least now it's in the student's hands, what are they gonna do? Suspend all those students when someone feels "offended". Thank goodness some came to their senses and reinstated him, right where he belongs. Just because he incited a prayer does not make him a horrible principal. Good for all those people for standing up for what they believe in, power to the people. |
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I really don't know this, but does the US president still has to put his hand on the Bible when he is sworn into presidency, and also , when there is a trial in a court, they have to put their hands on the Bible also?
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I would swear to tell the truth but i wouldn't say "so help me god".
I'm not sure about the president thing. |
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Christians don't believe we are the ONLY religion, we are very accepting of other religions. What we don't like are others telling us God has to be excluded from so many things yet allow other religions seep it's way in place of God. If one religion, as this post is of God, is not allowed then by golly shut EVERY religion out. It just seems that so many people have no problems shoving God away but have tolerance for other religions that could be very harmful to this Country.  We need to put God back in the churches
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 Is it possible to be a communist and a Nazi at the same time? Last time I looked in a history book it seems that the two groups hated each other.
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I really don't know this, but does the US president still has to put his hand on the Bible when he is sworn into presidency, and also , when there is a trial in a court, they have to put their hands on the Bible also? Yes they do, unless that has changed right before our eyes. I had a friend that had to testify and she said she did not have to put her hand on the Bible. I would be the one to deny to testify unless they put a Bible in front of me. That's my preference. 
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously Don't read the damn thing over the intercom to those who don't want to hear it and you won't have any problems. Whose god was the prayer too? If it wasn't to my god why should I have to listen to it? If it is a religious prayer should it not include my god and your god and everyone's god? One person's god is not another's. You cannot disrespect other gods by showing preference for one. NO religion should be allowed to respect all religions. |
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So much for seperation of church and state? I remember having to say the bloody thing before class every day of the year. I always thought it was a very strange thing to do on a daily basis. I went to catholic school so eventually thought it was just part of the indoctrination. Just goes to show you that what you think might never happen, can happen. I remember having to say it as well in Elementary and Junior High everyday...after that I stopped and now I don't even think about it. |
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. Yes, but you believe in God, right? Many out there don't. Well, I do believe everyone worships someone or something,,I just dont believe everyone sees that person or thing as God though. |
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. Some worship more than one god so can we mention them all, please, so you can be respectful to mine too? |
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I really don't know this, but does the US president still has to put his hand on the Bible when he is sworn into presidency, and also , when there is a trial in a court, they have to put their hands on the Bible also? They don't have to use the Bible, it can be any book they want to use for the president. In courts here, no, the bible nor god is used in the pledge to tell the truth. It is "I swear to tell the truth". |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously Don't read the damn thing over the intercom to those who don't want to hear it and you won't have any problems. Whose god was the prayer too? If it wasn't to my god why should I have to listen to it? If it is a religious prayer should it not include my god and your god and everyone's god? One person's god is not another's. You cannot disrespect other gods by showing preference for one. NO religion should be allowed to respect all religions. I dont think freedom of speech is specific to what people want to hear. That is akin to censorship because someone within hearing range may not like it. ITs not as if kids dont have the will to not pay attention to what they dont want to hear, if they didnt, they would be doing alot better in school. We hear alot of things in life we may not feel like listening to and in most cases, we would then just tune it out not deny the person a right to say it. |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously Don't read the damn thing over the intercom to those who don't want to hear it and you won't have any problems. Whose god was the prayer too? If it wasn't to my god why should I have to listen to it? If it is a religious prayer should it not include my god and your god and everyone's god? One person's god is not another's. You cannot disrespect other gods by showing preference for one. NO religion should be allowed to respect all religions. I don't think it's appropriate for school to read a prayer aloud over intercom, but however could do what some other schools have done. Up here in Utah, some high schools provide an on campus "mini church" and extra curricular activities that relate to "religion", anyone who is interested can sign up, other than that they don't force one particular religion onto anyone and if you don't like it you avoid it. I think that more schools including elementary's should offer this kind of support, rather than cause a ruckus between students and teachers, thus avoiding anyone getting suspended, expelled or fired. |
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. Yes, but you believe in God, right? Many out there don't. Well, I do believe everyone worships someone or something,,I just dont believe everyone sees that person or thing as God though. Everyone worships someone or something? I'm not religious at all and don't worship anything. |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". be seeing you Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? A judge, faulting "the loss of moral values in public education," on Friday ordered the reinstatement of a school principal who was suspended because he let a student read a prayer over the school intercom. The principal, Bishop Knox, became the center of an uproar after he was dismissed in November. Hundreds of people attended rallies, students walked out of many schools around the state, and politicians, including Gov. Kirk Fordice, spoke out in favor of school prayer. The State Legislature passed a law allowing prayer initiated by students, even though some lawmakers expressed doubts This is the type of thing I meant. I may have misworded it. I believe there is a place for all interests in our culture. Schools have many extracurricular activities for like minded individuals to participate in common activities. I dont see why prayer should not be permitted to be one as well if it is voluntary and not mandatory. Does free speech stop when someone mention GOD? Just an opnion though,,obviously Don't read the damn thing over the intercom to those who don't want to hear it and you won't have any problems. Whose god was the prayer too? If it wasn't to my god why should I have to listen to it? If it is a religious prayer should it not include my god and your god and everyone's god? One person's god is not another's. You cannot disrespect other gods by showing preference for one. NO religion should be allowed to respect all religions. I dont think freedom of speech is specific to what people want to hear. That is akin to censorship because someone within hearing range may not like it. ITs not as if kids dont have the will to not pay attention to what they dont want to hear, if they didnt, they would be doing alot better in school. We hear alot of things in life we may not feel like listening to and in most cases, we would then just tune it out not deny the person a right to say it. The government can honor no religion over another. So either they include all religions in the prayer or they leave prayer out of it completely. They can say what they want to say as individuals but the government is under a different directive. It has to be religionless so it can be respectful of all religions. Government schools must abide by the government rules and our government is religion free. And has to stay that way. If you want to be albe to pray in school there are schools that allow it, go there. |
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