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I'll provide the wood and fuel for the fire 
Soon we will be saying the pledge like this I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under Obama, indivisible, with higher taxes and no rights for all. 
No it's not photshoped. You can get one on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390080162883 hahaha I love it! Good one!! I don't hear too many objections that one yet. Now that's a flag I would burn. 
Here's an objection. I don't support that flag nor do I support the paranoia behind it. I personaly see no paranoia behind it. But I'd be willing to place bets that you will see some flying that flag. That would be their choice to fly it, right? No one is forcing anyone to do so. I never said anything about being forced to do it. Yay, an objection  Paranoia? Naw, just wide awake as to what is happening within America's borders. but I'd still like to burn that flag and wave the one that represents America
Yep TJN, didn't see where you quoted it being forced either. 
You'd properly dispose of this flag, by burning it? Interesting
Yes, personally no president's face should be on the American flag, just the red, white and blue. It's desecrating the flag and I personally feel it's wrong. Yes, I would burn it, hell, I'd have a bon fire with friends and chug a few brewskies too.
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i am not telling, ordering, dictating, suggesting or anything to anyone. I am saying that you already have the option. If you and a buddy are on the street and me and a buddy are on the same street, all four of us have as much right to be there as the next person; and thanks to the fact that this is a religiously free country, that means my buddy and I can stop and pray at the corner if we wish to do so. It also means that you have the opotion to stand there and participate, stand there and watch with disbelief, OR MOVE ON WITH YOUR BUSINESS AND JUST KEEP GOING. It is YOUR CHOICE in how to react and what to do if you see people praying in public, just as it is their choice to pray in public in the first place. potato, potaato 
But for the sake of argument, let me rewrite and say that if you do not like it if people are praying in a specific place or area, then you have the right to go to a different locale, if you so choose, just as those people who are praying have the right to pray where they are at if they so choose to do so. lol, I am glad someone took this question up Fran, and am very happy to say that not once did I dictate that anyone "move, or relocate". What I said is if they do not like the fact that my friends and i are having a group prayer, and they do not want to listen in on it, then they CAN move to another locale while we have our group prayer; not that they HAVE to. Your wording my point is, to harm someone, you have to somehow HURT them, and it does not hurt anyone in any way, to stand by and let several students say a prayer together. If you don't agree wit the prayer, or the thoughts behind it, go somewhere else while it is being said. reread your post - go somewhere else - is not providing a choice it's telling someone to move. Oprahlike enough for you 
You're still telling people to go somewhere else if they don't like prayer. You don't want people to do that to you, yet it's ok to do to others? Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray. 
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i am not telling, ordering, dictating, suggesting or anything to anyone. I am saying that you already have the option. If you and a buddy are on the street and me and a buddy are on the same street, all four of us have as much right to be there as the next person; and thanks to the fact that this is a religiously free country, that means my buddy and I can stop and pray at the corner if we wish to do so. It also means that you have the opotion to stand there and participate, stand there and watch with disbelief, OR MOVE ON WITH YOUR BUSINESS AND JUST KEEP GOING. It is YOUR CHOICE in how to react and what to do if you see people praying in public, just as it is their choice to pray in public in the first place. of all the saws I've ever seen saw I've never seen a saw saw like this saw saws 
Daniel - no need to get snippy, you in fact did not express yourself clearly, relax, relate, release all those negative vibes - be one with the positive energies. Pray if it makes you happy, pray next to me if it makes you happy, don't pray if it makes you happy, don't pray next to me if that makes you happy. Life is too short to give into negative stuff - do what makes you happy while also making sure I am not offended
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
 I'd skip them if we were waiting on line
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i am not telling, ordering, dictating, suggesting or anything to anyone. I am saying that you already have the option. If you and a buddy are on the street and me and a buddy are on the same street, all four of us have as much right to be there as the next person; and thanks to the fact that this is a religiously free country, that means my buddy and I can stop and pray at the corner if we wish to do so. It also means that you have the opotion to stand there and participate, stand there and watch with disbelief, OR MOVE ON WITH YOUR BUSINESS AND JUST KEEP GOING. It is YOUR CHOICE in how to react and what to do if you see people praying in public, just as it is their choice to pray in public in the first place. Daniel - we were just pointing out the differences of what you were saying at first and now. That's all. Pray if you want! I'm certainly not going to stop you. |
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
I'd skip them if we were waiting on line
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
I don't know about the people on here, but where I live, my church is two lots down from my house, and I have stopped to pray right on the side of the road with my pastor hanging out his van door before, and people have both stopped and bowed their heads respectfully, and kept moving on as they saw fit. My Pastor had pulled over off the road so people could get through with no problems, and nobody else had a problem whatsoever. The sad thing is, that people keep shouting that they want their rights and freedoms, but dont realize on the flipside of that same coin, the ones they want their rights and freedom from, have the exact same rights and freedoms that are being demanded in the first place. note: sorry if there are too many rights and freedoms in that last part lol |
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. |
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If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. That's it in a nutshell, and I am glad to see so many people DO agree with me, Fran this includes you too  .
What I was trying to point out though is the fact that so many people do NOT take into acount that people have the right to do just that, just as they have a right to not paricipate. |
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
I'd skip them if we were waiting on line
I'm only kidding I'd skip you if you blinked for too long
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If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. That's it in a nutshell, and I am glad to see so many people DO agree with me, Fran this includes you too .
What I was trying to point out though is the fact that so many people do NOT take into acount that people have the right to do just that, just as they have a right to not paricipate. It's the Oprah in me that agrees with you
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If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. That's it in a nutshell, and I am glad to see so many people DO agree with me, Fran this includes you too .
What I was trying to point out though is the fact that so many people do NOT take into acount that people have the right to do just that, just as they have a right to not paricipate. Really, it goes both ways. That's I was pointing out. 
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If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. That's it in a nutshell, and I am glad to see so many people DO agree with me, Fran this includes you too .
What I was trying to point out though is the fact that so many people do NOT take into acount that people have the right to do just that, just as they have a right to not paricipate. Really, it goes both ways. That's I was pointing out.
me too, but that's around when he commented on my pic looking like Oprah
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Yes, they definitely have an option as well as we should. I'm curious to see what they would do if you and your friends stopped to pray.
If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. Good to know
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If someone wants to stop somewhere and pray, by all means, they should pray. As long as they aren't telling me I need to join them, I don't really care. That's it in a nutshell, and I am glad to see so many people DO agree with me, Fran this includes you too .
What I was trying to point out though is the fact that so many people do NOT take into acount that people have the right to do just that, just as they have a right to not paricipate. Really, it goes both ways. That's I was pointing out.
me too, but that's around when he commented on my pic looking like Oprah
That's what you get for pointing out something like that!
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I don't really understand what this thread is about anymore
I just felt like posting someting on it |
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I don't really understand what this thread is about anymore I just felt like posting someting on it and we are glad you did
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Benedict Arnold was originally a general, promoted once to major general, in the american continental army. He switched sides after he was passed over many times for a promotion. Somehow I doubt they would have promoted him if they thought he wasn't loyal. I also believe that there was a pledge in order to be a high ranking officer. Regardless of that, there shouldn't be a need to say a pledge to prove loyalty to ones country. That just shows lack of trust in our citizens (in my own opinion that is) benedict Arnold was always loyal to england . the pledge is not manatory nor should it be ,but makeing a big deal about not saying it shows disrespect to what ever country you live in . if you don,t want to say it don't. |
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Benedict Arnold was originally a general, promoted once to major general, in the american continental army. He switched sides after he was passed over many times for a promotion. Somehow I doubt they would have promoted him if they thought he wasn't loyal. I also believe that there was a pledge in order to be a high ranking officer. Regardless of that, there shouldn't be a need to say a pledge to prove loyalty to ones country. That just shows lack of trust in our citizens (in my own opinion that is) benedict Arnold was always loyal to england . the pledge is not manatory nor should it be ,but makeing a big deal about not saying it shows disrespect to what ever country you live in . if you don,t want to say it don't. for someone that was always loyal to england, he battled them off a quite well. He fought them off at saratoga, delayed them at lake champlaigne as well as having a successful military career in the american continental army. He didn't defect until he was passed over for promotions a few times, and credit for his wins was given to other people, that is when he negotiated with the british. As for "if you don't want to say, don't say it" tell that to the children that schools tried to suspend for refusing to say it. I could care less if people want to say it or not. |
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Edited by
Foliel
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Tue 10/13/09 03:20 PM
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Benedict Arnold was originally a general, promoted once to major general, in the american continental army. He switched sides after he was passed over many times for a promotion. Somehow I doubt they would have promoted him if they thought he wasn't loyal. I also believe that there was a pledge in order to be a high ranking officer. Regardless of that, there shouldn't be a need to say a pledge to prove loyalty to ones country. That just shows lack of trust in our citizens (in my own opinion that is) benedict Arnold was always loyal to england . the pledge is not manatory nor should it be ,but makeing a big deal about not saying it shows disrespect to what ever country you live in . if you don,t want to say it don't. for someone that was always loyal to england, he battled them off a quite well. He fought them off at saratoga, delayed them at lake champlaigne as well as having a successful military career in the american continental army. He didn't defect until he was passed over for promotions a few times, and credit for his wins was given to other people, that is when he negotiated with the british. I could care less if people want to say it or not. I have great respect for my country and will always have respect for it. I got on this subject after hearig about schools trying to suspend students for not saying the pledge. If the student does not wish to say they shouldn't have to. |
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