Abra you must not have read the post I quoted, when I said not talking about in any physical sense I was referring to the wishy washy energy as everything new age speak that is being tossed around in this and other posts.

Being a 3rd year physics student I would hope I knew that energy was very much physical.

Anything that is measurable has some quantity of energy also conversely if something has energy it can be measured and will be conserved, I am intimately familiar with that facet of reality, some folks on this board do not seem to appreciate that, I know you and I are not among them.

So a bit of a wasted rant I am afraid.

Never the less, well done!

BRAVO, Abra! ! !
You rub silly-Billys nose against his own ignorance * * * *
This smart cookie aught to be taught a lesson of respecting those "FOOLISH" folks in here who dont deal with physics since the high school...
He must,ve assumed everybody here are ignorant fools -- thereby showing his own foolishness:
You know what happens when you(i.e. him) Assume:
--He's making an_ASS out of U and ME! ! !
And you, Abra, just reminded Billy of leaving "ME" (the rest of us) out when he's making an_ASS_out of himself! ! ! ****************************************************

Once again, BRAVO! ! !

BRAVO, Abra! ! !
You rub silly-Billys nose against his own ignorance * * * *
This smart cookie aught to be taught a lesson of respecting those "FOOLISH" folks in here who dont deal with physics since the high school...
He must,ve assumed everybody here are ignorant fools -- thereby showing his own foolishness:
You know what happens when you(i.e. him) Assume:
--He's making an_ASS out of U and ME! ! !
And you, Abra, just reminded Billy of leaving "ME" (the rest of us) out when he's making an_ASS_out of himself! ! ! ****************************************************

Once again, BRAVO! ! !

BRAVO, Abra! ! !
You rub silly-Billys nose against his own ignorance * * * *
This smart cookie aught to be taught a lesson of respecting those "FOOLISH" folks in here who dont deal with physics since the high school...
He must,ve assumed everybody here are ignorant fools -- thereby showing his own foolishness:
You know what happens when you(i.e. him) Assume:
--He's making an_ASS out of U and ME! ! !
And you, Abra, just reminded Billy of leaving "ME" (the rest of us) out when he's making an_ASS_out of himself! ! ! ****************************************************

Once again, BRAVO! ! !

My only desire when responding to threads is to add information. Where I add info, you can count on it being right. That is not to say I am never wrong, but unless very certain I tend to keep my mouth shut, or qualify my post with uncertainty.

If I am shown to be wrong then I rejoice in being able to correct some piece of knowledge in my mind and applaud the person doing it for truly they have helped me.

If I am shown to be wrong then I rejoice in being able to correct some piece of knowledge in my mind and applaud the person doing it for truly they have helped me.

That sums it all up... perfectly perfect!

Truly.

A lot of people truly do not understand a genuinely scientifically-minded person. Give me sound reasons to believe something and I'll be tickled pink. Expect me to just believe unsupported and conflicting information and you're barking up the wrong tree.

It's really as simple as that.

Thank you for the explanation.

And I apologize for jumping on you out of context.

I do have a question for you though. Perhaps you know the answer or could look it up. I confess that I'm getting too tried to research these things anymore.

But here's the question.

Thinking takes a lot of energy. I know this for a fact because when I give serious thought to complex problems it truly does drain me.

But where does that energy go?

Clearly it can't go into heat. Especially not heat that would be concentrated in my brain. If that were the case my head would glow red and my hair would catch on fire.

How is the energy of thought dissipated without creating heat?

Has anyone ever done experiments to trace how the energy of thought is dissipated? Is it dissipated in brain waves as electromagnetic radiation? Is it dissipated as new structure within the neural net in the form of new memories?

Is there any real way of even measuring these things? Does anyone truly even know?

Has anyone ever done precise measurements like this. It is even possible? How could they determine how many calories are being burnt, and things like that. It seems to me that the whole metabolic thing would be difficult to keep track of.

All I know is that working deeply on math problems can often be as tiring as digging a ditch, yet I’m not producing the heat energy in the muscles or sweat and evaporation to rid myself of the heat energy.

Where does all the energy go when I just THINK.

Does anyone know? Have they done experiments that explain precisely where all the energy goes? It can’t go into heat or your head would get hot. You’d need to wear heat dissipation fins on your skull.

Just look at how hot a CPU on a computer gets. Take away the fan and the computer blows up in about a minute. But a human brain doesn’t heat up like that. And surely it’s doing infinitely more complex processing than a CPU.

When someone posses the idea such as a universal law of attraction, I will ask how? What mechanism would transmit this data? In what way would it influence events, ideas, behaviors? To what extent does it play a roll outside of the mind? Is it merely a way of effecting individual behavior of the thinking person or is it more. If you say its more, then why, how do you know?

Another words, one cannot be happy, if his Inner voice keeps telling him that he is miserable – such people are stuck in an “Infinite Loop” (because the terminating condition is always False!)

You know, I don't think I have taken the time to explain some of my background regarding spiritualism, and how I have been led to this path of scientific reasoning.

I was always a very curious child. My mother is very spiritual and believes in a universal subconscious mind. A connection on a spiritual level that we all share. She believes in Karma and the golden rule. I have never doubted this could be true, but always sought a way to prove it.

I took up Buddhism when I was 12, at first I just saw it as an interesting way to learn how to meditate, something my mother gave great power, something I still believe has great power. Power being relative.

Years of using different Koans and working with focus certainly gave me the ability to see my own thoughts, and emotions and where they originated from, and most of the time why.

Not everyone could focus this way. My brother is such a person. Me and my mother tried to get him to meditate, but he could not even sit long enough and focus on anything. He has issues, things in his brain ARE different. He is dyslexic, he is very emotional, he tends to lash out if he gets frustrated. Something is wrong, this I knew from a young age.

This lead me to a desire to learn about psychology. I spent high school taking Psych I, and II classes. I went to college and took Psych there as well and was about to become a major, but the deeper I looked the more ambiguous the field became, the more confused, too many branching paths for the same core issues. So many professionals disagree on different conditions, and many patients get diagnosed with one ailment from one doctor and the same symptoms are a different diagnosis from a different doctor, with different treatments which don't work on very many, when asked why this didn't work with my child . . . the answer is usually we don't know . . . .

Traditional Psychology has always troubled me, I felt that definite answers must be out there, but that perhaps the path to those answers was not the traditional route of psychology. Psychology in of itself takes the path of listing symptoms and analyzing behaviors.

As I started to become more and more savy with computers and I found that in troubleshooting a system related issue the same problems applied.

MANY MANY MANY symptoms and behaviors are shared by many different root problems, or malfunctions. Computers are far to complex to start from a bottom down approach in fully understanding behavioral issues, so are people. Too many layers of interacting software meets hardware.

This made me realize that the only way to really get to understand the system is to approach it from a bottom up approach.

Hard science was the only way to achieve this. I had to get fundamental.
Physics was the first stop. I was soo blown away by the magic of the quantum world, so blown away by the magic of spacetime.

But this magic has rules. These rules, regardless of our understanding of there origin, are real and as far as we can tell unchanging. When you can progress from a bottom up approach based on fundamentals, then your answers are always solid as long as your premises are solid and your work was done without mistakes, no guessing needed, if you do guess, its based on data and testable.

There is a way to know, and science has shown us the way. If you can be brave enough to ask how, and persistent enough to not settle for god done did it, you can uncover REAL MAGIC.

As far as I am concerned technology is REAL MAGIC. As far as I am concerned science is the path of magical exploration.

When someone posses the idea such as a universal law of attraction, I will ask how? What mechanism would transmit this data? In what way would it influence events, ideas, behaviors? To what extent does it play a roll outside of the mind? Is it merely a way of effecting individual behavior of the thinking person or is it more. If you say its more, then why, how do you know?

Saying becuase you feel it is the biggest cop out. Feelings are not scientific in regards to due diligence, no answers come from feelings, we need data. Circular and frustrating results ensue from feeling based research, or looking at behaviors and symptoms from top down approach in complex cause and effect systems.


Jeremy.

Traditional Psychology has always troubled me, I felt that definite answers must be out there, but that perhaps the path to those answers was not the traditional route of psychology. Psychology in of itself takes the path of listing symptoms and analyzing behaviors.