And who do you think the "baby sitters" are? They are not some invisible angels or magical forces unseene.

They are the welfare system, they are the people who take care of others who cannot take care of themselves. They are the nursing homes and hospices and hospitals; and they are you and me and everyone who pays taxes that go for the care and welfare of others.

We are the baby sitters. The government and social security and welfare are the baby sitters.

Responsibility? It falls on the babysitters. Those who do not bare their own rely on those who will take care of them. They are the caretakers.

I take care of my aunt who worked hard all her life as a care taker of her son (cerebral palsy) and alcoholic husband and smoked herself into chronic lung problems, not quitting until she almost killed herself smoking while using oxygen. Her face caught fire. If she would have been breathing in, it would have killed her instantly.

Even then, I never thought she would ever quit smoking. She did. She is improving a lot now, but she still wants someone to take care of her. I also take care of my mom and dad, who are dwindling in health and old age.

Yes we all get old, but we don't know how to live or eat healthy and we just make it worse.

You cannot "violate" the law of attraction. It is not a written law that promises punishment. It is a law of cause and effect. It is the law of creation and vibration in a thought universe.

The law of attraction is the program that allows things to arise from the thinking mind stuff and manifest into a dream-like holographic-like matrix environment where thinking centers can manifest themselves and learn to create things.

We are creators in training.

Well that pretty much blows a huge hole in the idea that we create our own reality via our thoughts.



So why rename it then?

What was wrong with it's original name, "The Law of Cause and Effect"?

And why limit cause and affect to an individual by trying to claim that we create our OWN reality?

Most people believe that cause and effect is something that affects all of us. My reality affects yours and vice-versa.

Where does this idea that we create our OWN reality come from then?



Where are our mentors then?

Why have we not evolved beyond blind trial and error?

It seems like a very inefficient school.

I want my tuition back!

No it does not "blow a hole" in the idea that we create our own reality. We created government, social security, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. These are all our creations.

As for the "renaming" of it, I did not rename it. As I have said before, the term "Law of Attraction" I believe, (not sure) was first used by Esther and Jerry Hicks. I don't believe Wallace D. Wattles every used that term. The point is, it does not matter what you call it or how you want to understand it. That is over thinking everything anyway.

And for someone who does not believe in it you sure are obsessed. LOL

No it does not "blow a hole" in the idea that we create our own reality. We created government, social security, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. These are all our creations.

Well these are the creations of humanity collectively.




Well, you often talk as though we (as individuals) are responsible for creating our OWN individual realities. And that as individuals we are responsible for everything that is attracted into our lives.

If you are going to now take a different stance viewing humanity as a whole being equally responsible for creating all of the reality of the human condition, I would again suggest that most people would agree with this view and it would not require inventing any new concept called the "Law of Attraction".



Over-thinking it?

I'm just trying to understand precisely what is being proposed or meant by the so-called "Law of Attraction" and why we need this label, and what it means.

When I ask for clarity I get accused of "over-thinking" it.

Me baad.

WOW what a great example of cause and effect!! I wish you could see this video Abra. It's fantastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2VCfOC69jc

This Honda ad was filmed without any computer simulation or enhancement. It took 3 months and 606 takes to complete, including the sequence engineering. The first 605 attempts were flawed in one way or another. The cost? Said to be approximately $6 million.

The parts are from one or more Honda automobiles. After viewing the ad, and upon recovering from the shock of learning that no computer enhancements were used, Honda executives approved the expenditure without debate. The ad is currently being aired in Great Britain and reportedly is the most viewed ad in Internet history.

Yes they are. Humanity of which we are a part of, hense share some responsibility for.




Nobody invented it. It is as it has always been. Mankind just named it, discovered it, describe it, write about it, use it, etc...




Oh Poor guy. Him just wants clarification.. sob sob....and all he gets is somebody accusing him of over thinking it.

Once again, you are a victim.

If you really want "clarification" you might read "Ask and It is Given" by Esther and Jerry Hicks, (or any book of your own choosing there are dozens of books about it.) I am making my statements as clearly, concisely and as honestly as I am capable of doing. If that is not enough clarification for you, and if that is what you truly want, bother to read a book. Find your own clarification if that is what you want.

If you want to argue, I'm not doing that anymore. Sorry.

If a hologram can kill you its not a hologram.

I'm sorry. I thought you had posted this in the philosophy forums as material for philosophical debate, analysis, and conversation.

I wasn't aware that you are just running an ad.

My apologies.

It's just an advertisement thread Jeremy.

No questions or observations permitted.

What makes you think a hologram can't kill a holographic body? If we live in a hologram then our bodies are also holograms. If we live in a dream reality, then our bodies are made up of dream stuff. Everything being equal, yes a hologram can kill your holographic body.

Prove to me that on the quantum level (if it can be found) that we are more than vibration and energy. You can't. Matter = energy. You know this as well as anyone.

Abra, you can rant and argue to your hearts content if you want. Its a free forum. But don't expect me participate. In fact I enjoy watching you rant and whine and pretend to be a victim.

A Hologram by definition is an illusion.

If reality is a hologram, then its not reality. If a hologram is reality, then its not a hologram.

Vibrating energy is not a definition for anything except vibrating energy.

This concept that vibrating energy can explain anything is weaksuace.

Its up to YOU to prove these theories not me, I get to pick apart your words and dig around in your statements making you justify everything, I am not the one making claims.

I challenge any scientific minded person on these forums to prove to me that matter does not boil down to energy and vibration. What is vibration? Light and sound. What is a hologram? Three dimensional reflections of light projected from a flat surface.

Reality must be flat after all. Hehehehehe.

So becuase light is the vibration of the electromagnetic spectrum and sound is the vibration of air molecules you get to claim that vibrating energy means this is all a hologram . . .. I dont think so lady.

Word soup does not make a theory, and again look back to my previous post. ITS UP TO YOU TO PROVE YOUR PREMISES, AND CONCLUSIONS, NOT ME.

We create our own realities..... but they are only the dreams, of the dreamer, dreaming a dream.

When scientists confirm that the particle is not a chunk of solid "stuff" that they can measure, that it is in fact, a tiny black hole, I imagine a lot of definitions will change.

If reality is not a hologram then its not reality. .... check! You got it!

What we THINK is reality... is closer to what is described as an illusion or dream matrix. A very good one, and a very persistent one.

Its a beautiful work of virtual three dimensional space projected by a flat surface that contains all the information and programing to create this simulation of time and space.

It could be like a one dimensional micro chip or slice of film. This reality is digital too probably. A marvelous work of genius I belief! Amazing.

WHY?

Why do you consider yourself the authority on the true nature of reality? Because you read a few science books? That's laughable. I don't claim to know the true nature of reality but I suspect you don't have a clue either, so you are not on any better ground than I am. In fact your sources all conflict with each other and much of it is wrong, plain and simple. If it were NOT wrong, they would have discovered the true nature of this reality.

Maybe some have, and just don't know how to break it to people. It would blow their minds.

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Have you ever taken a philosophy course in your entire life?

And if you did.

Did you actually pass it?

I mean without bribing the instructor.

Actually what Jeremy states about philosphy is precisely HOW it is supposed to be conducted.

Philosophers don't typical accept things just because someone says its so.