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Their claim is just another grab at Media attention and another shot at a great American Institution like the BSA! That is really sad. I have already stood for her right to say what ever she wants whether I like what she said or not. Gays don't all think alike nor do straights. I don't care about the BSA, never fought against their right to do whatever they wanted either. So Please Fanta, I wish you wouldn't characterize us all by what a few do and say. These are methods the GLBT chose to use! I do not categorize all homosexuals into this group. Those who are members and subscribe to their methods do so on their own volition!! You do by leaving the impression with out backing up your thoughts with what you said here, however you really do not know the glbt as well as gays do, and not everyone within that community of activists would have condoned this. So just accusing thie activist group of all doing and thinking the same is wrong. |
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The only name I said was that of an organization whose methods are controversial and designed to attack for the sake of media attention no matter who or what organization is harmed by their methods! Not once did I say boo said or did anything. Perhaps you are being a tad bit defensive! Are you a member of the GLBT? I really have no idea! Fanta, you're pulling a Hilton!  
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your individual choices however are welcome if not "imposed" on others. Ok then I expect that in writing, you know how you straights can be.. Lmao |
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your individual choices however are welcome if not "imposed" on others. Ok then I expect that in writing, you know how you straights can be.. Lmao Are you pulling a Hilton too? 
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Edited by
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Air is too thick for liftoff!
 
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. I agree, he was completely out of line IMO... He will get the flack too, but unfortunately whatever communication is in both camps is damaged by his actions, to some degree, hopefully people are smart enough on both sides to see what he did was no reflection on the gay or straight community but on his actions. |
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 why is it everytime I have said for people to not generalize...I get blown off???
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Edited by
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Good question rose.
The whole fact of the matter is this entire affair, all such affairs, only have the validity we as individuals give it. Why can't change start with us, you and me, right here, right now?! Who's with me on this? |
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The only name I said was that of an organization whose methods are controversial and designed to attack for the sake of media attention no matter who or what organization is harmed by their methods! Not once did I say boo said or did anything. Perhaps you are being a tad bit defensive! Are you a member of the GLBT? I really have no idea! Well of course I feel defensive, just as the religious community feels defensive when people in the gay community paint all Christians as homophobs etc. But you are painting the whole glbt activist organization of the one thing and not all are doing that. And I bet that if the issue was within the straight community you too would find ways to get your voice heard... Oh and of course I am a member by the fact that I am gay, though I am not an activist, and would not use the tactics like this one, though I think he acted alone. |
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Good question rose. The whole fact of the matter is this entire affair, all such affairs, only have the validity we as individuals give it. Why can't change start with us, you and me, right here, right now?! I've been trying to. like i said before in here and got ignored...unless someone knows all of a certain catagory, then the statement isn't true. |
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your individual choices however are welcome if not "imposed" on others. Ok then I expect that in writing, you know how you straights can be.. Lmao Are you pulling a Hilton too? You did know I was joking didn't you? I thought I would just turn the usual statement around showing that straights can also push themselves on the other community.. oh well, I think you knew i was joking but I also get the point.. LOL |
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Air is too thick for liftoff! I was wondering why you hadn't let yet.. grin |
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Not to split hairs, but the greatest commandment was "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind and soul" This was the greatest of commandment. Second was "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...but that was a figurative statement, no literal statement. I don't think I have ever stated any sin as being good, or some sins greater then others, for if you believe the bible as the written word of God, they you have to accept it's judgements on all sinful behavior. I simple stated that I do not believe in gay marriage, I didn't say why or what caused me to believe that, you assumed that part. It was you that injected the bible or ones belief in it or not. You asked a question relating to heaven and I stated that in God's heaven, there will be no gay people...I did not write that, but that is what it says. Believe it or not. Just because one knows about the bible does not signify a particular belief in it as much as reading it does not signify your understanding of it...true As far as believing in the bible or not, you can or you don't have to , you can belive all the religions in the world and words of the universe, that is the great thing about America..you can believe what you want, and I can accept that without a problem. And for Temptr, I never stated that it was a sin, I said that in the bible God says that it is a abomination, those weren't my words. Take the issue to him if you have a problem with it. Can all sins be forgiven, since I am not God, I cannot answer that other then to say what the general concensis is, Blastphamy is the only unforgivable sin, but you cannot be forgiven for a sin if you are continuing to live in that sin. My statements on communism only comes from information from my visits to USSR and other communist nations and listening to people that have lived under its tyranny, if it is what you want,great, but I will believe those that have actually lived under it for my source of understanding on the subject. "love the lord "your" god with all your heart mind and soul"??? that is right indeed, each love "their lord their god" with all it's heart, mind and soul??? SO EACH DECIDE THIS FOR ITSELF!!! HOW CAN ONE LOOK TO THE LEFT, AND SAY YOUR GOD IS NOT RIGHT, MINE IS??? IT SAID SERVE "YOUR" GOD??? THAT MEANS EACH ONE HAS IT'S OWN, AND THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT IT'S MIND, HEART, AND SOUL BELIEVE??? so each does this itself, and it is only one making "it's god" as what should be served by "other's", which make one not able to follow the "second greatest" of love thy neighor as thyself"??? if you want to serve your god, then you are commanded to allow another to do as you wish, to TREAT IT AS YOU WISH TREATED??? DO YOU WISH TO SERVE YOUR GOD??? THEN HOW CAN YOU TRY TO MAKE A GAY SERVE YOUR GOD??? god was called "love" was it not??? so you follow your god, of distain for all other's that do not believe as you do, so follow "your god", and i will follow my god, the god of love for ALL, the one that loved the WHOLE WORLD, and we both will live happily ever after??? nay, what hate simply destroy itself, by hating??? human civilization has taught us that has it not??? who needs to read that in a book to see that??? your book the "god", the one that believe in distain and despise of other's as self righteousness and peace, does not ever live forever, and always loses, so get not to live forever??? you serve your belief to attain eternal life??? but eternal life is but only for what love "unconditionally", or as god does??? as "god" is eternal, and love eternal, without ending, without condition, and did it not say to do as god, to be as god??? so what give??? to serve not the "true god", which was god is "love", is to not love all then??? if your text hold any validity??? but, then how can it have validity, as "to love thy neighbor as thyself" is just "figurative", so then "sin is an abomination", is "figurative" as well??? i think i get how this works, lol... believe in what purpose and bolster one's own idea's and hearts wish, and the rest is "figurative", so meaningless??? that can lead to nothing more than selective hearing, which be only proving what words one wish to prove as true, to suite oneself??? exactely why all words in the universe are truth, lol... but i still am going to serve "my" god as i see fit, and the only one i see your text speak of, was "love for all"??? not sure which one you read into it, but hey, that's your choice??? there is one thing for sure, NO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S GETS INTO HEAVEN, AS HEAVEN IS "TOTAL LOVE AND UTOPIA", SO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S AS LESS THAN SELF WOULD NOT LIKE IT THERE, LOL??? and besides, what the hell is wrong with utopia, IF one know what it is??? it certainly could never be based on some humans as not as good as some others??? this in itself, is where utopian dreams first go into distain of another sec, and try to FORCE SOME HUMAN THING INTO WHAT ITSELF WISH FOR THEM??? it must be all as equal, or in inception, or it lead into first distain, and then in short time, become as hate??? indeed, your text said "ALL" WERE CHILDREN OF GOD", AND ONLY "WOULD BE DICTATOR'S" TRY TO DECIDE "WHO" TO DEEM AS GOOD AND SO WHO TO LOVE AND WELCOME AS A BROTHER AND FRIEND??? if all are children of god, then all got a god brain, and all got the god damn right to use it for itself!!!??? peace To "argue" religion is like a game of tic-tac-toe. How can you make a valid point if another wishes not to believe in it's basic validity. "Lead by example" "You catch more ants with sugar" to "argue or attack" someones belief, will turn them against anything you may have to say from that point on. You've already lost! Spaceships leaving! indeed, there was some religion in the words, and some basic principles of common sense, and some principles of equality and many things besides just religion, lol??? all things are equally profitable, when used with wisdom and moderation??? what one call argue, is what another call as conversation??? how can one use a label of what is defined by billions as different, to instruct as to what is most good in human communiaction??? is it not the natural inclination, to hollor the "argue card" to anything that one wants to shut up, lol??? it is no different than using the "race" card??? the MOTIVE be the sole decider of all things that are created by thought, then words, then actions??? my words were posted within a quote box, as they were directed exactely to that individual??? there was a specific reason for this??? do you wish me to be you??? do you wish to carry me upon your shoulders??? do you wish create my destiny for me??? do you wish to be responsible for my very life??? provide for all my earthly needs??? then why do you instruct me to do as you would do??? why would i "wish to be as you", live as you, and become you, as if i believe as you, i will become as you will i not??? i have heard nothing that make me want to be somebody else??? is that bad??? you wish i trust your words??? each word from my mouth is my example, which be as each thought, and each word, and each action??? if a question is deemed as an attack, then i believe in the individual they are written to as having the total power and ability to speak this, and will hear all words??? this i have not heard from him??? how can a simple question be an attack??? did you see the question marks??? MY GOAL IS NOT TO WIN??? is that yours goal, so why you ask me this??? my goal is my goal, and each define it as they see fit, as each human does unto all??? if my words are read, then it is quite plain what my goal and sole motive in this life is, and that be equality in all life, and for all life, in each jot, and tittle, and word, and deed, and action. the speaker speak, the hearer decide what is true in all cases??? my words are but questions, and if they be taken as more, this be at the sole discretion of the hearer??? if my question is not relevant to anyone, than so be it??? i state my reality as each does, no more, no less??? could i not say the same to you, to lead by example??? the statement indeed in itself lead not by example, and is not able to, and but try to lead by all other's thru "advice and control"??? is it not the patent answer of all "control and selective hearing" in the universe??? it could not be spoken, unless the speaker deemed it's OWN WAY, AS SUPERIOR??? i understand you ask me to do this, because you deem my words must mean i think of myself as better??? this is understandable, and your decision to make, but it is not the motive nor feeling or thinking my words come from??? thanks for sharin your words of wisdom. peace man |
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Good question rose. The whole fact of the matter is this entire affair, all such affairs, only have the validity we as individuals give it. Why can't change start with us, you and me, right here, right now?! Who's with me on this? I've always been with you, you just didn't see me.. grin Look people have to come to their own way of thinking and their own way of dealing with what others tell them. Because you both said something that is relevant doesn't mean others will come around in that same way. |
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Good question rose. The whole fact of the matter is this entire affair, all such affairs, only have the validity we as individuals give it. Why can't change start with us, you and me, right here, right now?! I've been trying to. like i said before in here and got ignored...unless someone knows all of a certain catagory, then the statement isn't true. No body is deliberatly ignoring anyone, it's just the way the forum works, I will have answered several post before even seeing your post. But then what you have to say may not ring a bell for others who are busy trying to figure things out for themselves. Know what I mean? |
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boo...either people get it or not. they can respond or not...but won't stop me from saying it everytime it happens either
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boo...either people get it or not. they can respond or not...but won't stop me from saying it everytime it happens either Saying what every time what happens? Sorry don't get that? |
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Not to split hairs, but the greatest commandment was "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind and soul" This was the greatest of commandment. Second was "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...but that was a figurative statement, no literal statement. I don't think I have ever stated any sin as being good, or some sins greater then others, for if you believe the bible as the written word of God, they you have to accept it's judgements on all sinful behavior. I simple stated that I do not believe in gay marriage, I didn't say why or what caused me to believe that, you assumed that part. It was you that injected the bible or ones belief in it or not. You asked a question relating to heaven and I stated that in God's heaven, there will be no gay people...I did not write that, but that is what it says. Believe it or not. Just because one knows about the bible does not signify a particular belief in it as much as reading it does not signify your understanding of it...true As far as believing in the bible or not, you can or you don't have to , you can belive all the religions in the world and words of the universe, that is the great thing about America..you can believe what you want, and I can accept that without a problem. And for Temptr, I never stated that it was a sin, I said that in the bible God says that it is a abomination, those weren't my words. Take the issue to him if you have a problem with it. Can all sins be forgiven, since I am not God, I cannot answer that other then to say what the general concensis is, Blastphamy is the only unforgivable sin, but you cannot be forgiven for a sin if you are continuing to live in that sin. My statements on communism only comes from information from my visits to USSR and other communist nations and listening to people that have lived under its tyranny, if it is what you want,great, but I will believe those that have actually lived under it for my source of understanding on the subject. "love the lord "your" god with all your heart mind and soul"??? that is right indeed, each love "their lord their god" with all it's heart, mind and soul??? SO EACH DECIDE THIS FOR ITSELF!!! HOW CAN ONE LOOK TO THE LEFT, AND SAY YOUR GOD IS NOT RIGHT, MINE IS??? IT SAID SERVE "YOUR" GOD??? THAT MEANS EACH ONE HAS IT'S OWN, AND THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT IT'S MIND, HEART, AND SOUL BELIEVE??? so each does this itself, and it is only one making "it's god" as what should be served by "other's", which make one not able to follow the "second greatest" of love thy neighor as thyself"??? if you want to serve your god, then you are commanded to allow another to do as you wish, to TREAT IT AS YOU WISH TREATED??? DO YOU WISH TO SERVE YOUR GOD??? THEN HOW CAN YOU TRY TO MAKE A GAY SERVE YOUR GOD??? god was called "love" was it not??? so you follow your god, of distain for all other's that do not believe as you do, so follow "your god", and i will follow my god, the god of love for ALL, the one that loved the WHOLE WORLD, and we both will live happily ever after??? nay, what hate simply destroy itself, by hating??? human civilization has taught us that has it not??? who needs to read that in a book to see that??? your book the "god", the one that believe in distain and despise of other's as self righteousness and peace, does not ever live forever, and always loses, so get not to live forever??? you serve your belief to attain eternal life??? but eternal life is but only for what love "unconditionally", or as god does??? as "god" is eternal, and love eternal, without ending, without condition, and did it not say to do as god, to be as god??? so what give??? to serve not the "true god", which was god is "love", is to not love all then??? if your text hold any validity??? but, then how can it have validity, as "to love thy neighbor as thyself" is just "figurative", so then "sin is an abomination", is "figurative" as well??? i think i get how this works, lol... believe in what purpose and bolster one's own idea's and hearts wish, and the rest is "figurative", so meaningless??? that can lead to nothing more than selective hearing, which be only proving what words one wish to prove as true, to suite oneself??? exactely why all words in the universe are truth, lol... but i still am going to serve "my" god as i see fit, and the only one i see your text speak of, was "love for all"??? not sure which one you read into it, but hey, that's your choice??? there is one thing for sure, NO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S GETS INTO HEAVEN, AS HEAVEN IS "TOTAL LOVE AND UTOPIA", SO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S AS LESS THAN SELF WOULD NOT LIKE IT THERE, LOL??? and besides, what the hell is wrong with utopia, IF one know what it is??? it certainly could never be based on some humans as not as good as some others??? this in itself, is where utopian dreams first go into distain of another sec, and try to FORCE SOME HUMAN THING INTO WHAT ITSELF WISH FOR THEM??? it must be all as equal, or in inception, or it lead into first distain, and then in short time, become as hate??? indeed, your text said "ALL" WERE CHILDREN OF GOD", AND ONLY "WOULD BE DICTATOR'S" TRY TO DECIDE "WHO" TO DEEM AS GOOD AND SO WHO TO LOVE AND WELCOME AS A BROTHER AND FRIEND??? if all are children of god, then all got a god brain, and all got the god damn right to use it for itself!!!??? peace To "argue" religion is like a game of tic-tac-toe. How can you make a valid point if another wishes not to believe in it's basic validity. "Lead by example" "You catch more ants with sugar" to "argue or attack" someones belief, will turn them against anything you may have to say from that point on. You've already lost! Spaceships leaving! indeed, there was some religion in the words, and some basic principles of common sense, and some principles of equality and many things besides just religion, lol??? all things are equally profitable, when used with wisdom and moderation??? what one call argue, is what another call as conversation??? how can one use a label of what is defined by billions as different, to instruct as to what is most good in human communiaction??? is it not the natural inclination, to hollor the "argue card" to anything that one wants to shut up, lol??? it is no different than using the "race" card??? the MOTIVE be the sole decider of all things that are created by thought, then words, then actions??? my words were posted within a quote box, as they were directed exactely to that individual??? there was a specific reason for this??? do you wish me to be you??? do you wish to carry me upon your shoulders??? do you wish create my destiny for me??? do you wish to be responsible for my very life??? provide for all my earthly needs??? then why do you instruct me to do as you would do??? why would i "wish to be as you", live as you, and become you, as if i believe as you, i will become as you will i not??? i have heard nothing that make me want to be somebody else??? is that bad??? you wish i trust your words??? each word from my mouth is my example, which be as each thought, and each word, and each action??? if a question is deemed as an attack, then i believe in the individual they are written to as having the total power and ability to speak this, and will hear all words??? this i have not heard from him??? how can a simple question be an attack??? did you see the question marks??? MY GOAL IS NOT TO WIN??? is that yours goal, so why you ask me this??? my goal is my goal, and each define it as they see fit, as each human does unto all??? if my words are read, then it is quite plain what my goal and sole motive in this life is, and that be equality in all life, and for all life, in each jot, and tittle, and word, and deed, and action. the speaker speak, the hearer decide what is true in all cases??? my words are but questions, and if they be taken as more, this be at the sole discretion of the hearer??? if my question is not relevant to anyone, than so be it??? i state my reality as each does, no more, no less??? could i not say the same to you, to lead by example??? the statement indeed in itself lead not by example, and is not able to, and but try to lead by all other's thru "advice and control"??? is it not the patent answer of all "control and selective hearing" in the universe??? it could not be spoken, unless the speaker deemed it's OWN WAY, AS SUPERIOR??? i understand you ask me to do this, because you deem my words must mean i think of myself as better??? this is understandable, and your decision to make, but it is not the motive nor feeling or thinking my words come from??? thanks for sharin your words of wisdom. peace man David, my comment was not personalized as I hope you understand. That is not my intention, rather it was the issue of beliefs. I simply meant, that to argue a point of religion to someone without such a belief system makes any point from then on invalid in their eyes. They have chosen not to agree with you before you have begun, therefore, like tic-tac-toe (usually), there are no winners. Communication is a wonderful thing, but it does require cooperation to be valid. My only point. Not personal. |
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boo...either people get it or not. they can respond or not...but won't stop me from saying it everytime it happens either Saying what every time what happens? Sorry don't get that? when people generalize whether it's politics, religion, sexual preference, race, gender...you name it. |
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your individual choices however are welcome if not "imposed" on others. Ok then I expect that in writing, you know how you straights can be.. Lmao Are you pulling a Hilton too? You did know I was joking didn't you? I thought I would just turn the usual statement around showing that straights can also push themselves on the other community.. oh well, I think you knew i was joking but I also get the point.. LOL I absolutely knew you were joking or I would not have returned the jest in kind. 
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