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Topic: You can't enter if you aren't...
Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:23 AM
As I have said before, I do not support gay marraige, but for my own reasons. You don't have to like what she said,but when asked for your opinion on something, don't ask if you don't really want their opinion, it may not agree with your own..

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:23 AM

Okay...let's look at this again.

You can't win if you don't believe?

How about this...

You can't attend if you don't believe?

Ahhh for the old days...when you couldn't enter if you weren't a white girl! (SARCASM not what I think)

The times they are a changin' eh?

It wasn't so long ago that sports, beauty contests, politics, schools and all sorts of institutions were closed to anyone outside the mainstream.

I find it immensely entertaining that those who now claim to be on Christian higher moral ground are outraged because they are not the exclusive holders of that prized territory they carved out and excluded others from whether it be in a beauty contest, a church, a town square, a television screen...where ever.

Guess what? The world is not full of cookie cutter Bible thumped Stepford wives despite Miss California's best attempt to be one.

Funny you all howling about political correctness silencing other voices when for so many years you were the epitome of suppression and politically correct speech.





Miss California was the runner-up in the Miss USA Pageant!
She did not lose because of her statement. In fact she didn't lose at all. She was second next to Miss NC!

Despite how many times the GLBT claims that cost her the title, there is no proof to back up their claim.

Their claim is just another grab at Media attention and another shot at a great American Institution like the BSA!

Miss NC won the contest straight out and its insulting for anyone to claim otherwise!

Miss California still finished ahead of 48 possibles!

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:26 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 04/21/09 11:26 AM


Try standing in her shoes, at that moment, burdened with appeasing EVERYONE, a nation!


That is exactly why I thought it was an inappropriate question to ask of her. And if the judges didn't rip Perez a new one after the show I would be suprised.

I personally have empathy for our new president as he faces much of the same kind of anxiety from the public, he can't win either way in most cases with so much anger and resentment out there. Opps. Off topic.
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I agree!

Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:27 AM
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/219283

the pageant has already been debated on

DaveyB's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:29 AM


Okay...let's look at this again.

You can't win if you don't believe?

How about this...

You can't attend if you don't believe?

Ahhh for the old days...when you couldn't enter if you weren't a white girl! (SARCASM not what I think)

The times they are a changin' eh?

It wasn't so long ago that sports, beauty contests, politics, schools and all sorts of institutions were closed to anyone outside the mainstream.

I find it immensely entertaining that those who now claim to be on Christian higher moral ground are outraged because they are not the exclusive holders of that prized territory they carved out and excluded others from whether it be in a beauty contest, a church, a town square, a television screen...where ever.

Guess what? The world is not full of cookie cutter Bible thumped Stepford wives despite Miss California's best attempt to be one.

Funny you all howling about political correctness silencing other voices when for so many years you were the epitome of suppression and politically correct speech.





Miss California was the runner-up in the Miss USA Pageant!
She did not lose because of her statement. In fact she didn't lose at all. She was second next to Miss NC!

Despite how many times the GLBT claims that cost her the title, there is no proof to back up their claim.

Their claim is just another grab at Media attention and another shot at a great American Institution like the BSA!

Miss NC won the contest straight out and its insulting for anyone to claim otherwise!

Miss California still finished ahead of 48 possibles!


Win or lose, title or no title, it really doesn't seem like a fair question to ask. The country is so divided on that issue. I think that is the real question. Then there is the issue of whether or not she gave the "right" answer. Well of course she gave the right answer. It is her opinion, and that was the question, whether you or I or anyone else agrees with it.

davidben1's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:32 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Tue 04/21/09 11:33 AM
in my country, and in my family, i believe white's know the better way, as was how i was raised???

it is no different.

despise and distain, which give off an "enemy energy", of what is "different" than self, come in many masks and colors.

perez is not trying to make all straights gay, but to be treated as equal to straights in this country, which is but a fight for personal freedom???

himself being gay, allowed him more sight of what freedom for all is???

is this not what first gave the black man sight of freedom for all, so they learned to fight for it, so THIS IN ITSELF, IS WHAT MADE THE WHITE MAN HAVE TO LEARN TO LOVE, AND TREAT AS EQUAL???

the gay community serve the EXACT SAME PURPOSE FOR HUMANITY, TO TEACH ALL WHAT EQUAL IS, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOW LOVE OF ALL, WHICH IS THE ONLY LOVE!!!???

that is just my reality.

if you deem my reality is not reality dear one, you will but limit your own to a sliver???

did you hear me call anyone here bad???

did you hear me call anyone out as wrong???

did you hear me call anyone was a racist???

did you hear me call someone a bigot???

did you hear me call someone a hater???

just questions, as to what actually is any greater reality, as what is reality, if it is not what all speak, as how can one think itself see reality, and no one else???

is this not but a single reality as king???

is this not but one thinking two eye's are better than all other eye's???

all eye's are equal eye's, and it is only but to promote all as equal, that has any chance of changing all the hate and distain, that no one like to live within???

it is not needed to call anything any label, as to speak with all such labels, is but not yet having enough knowing within to make any valid point, without using some distain or hate to do it???

the politically correct movement was the same, just a universe tool to make and force all to dig deeper, to find a way of expressing oneself, without perpetrating more hate???

it is but to first see what good the bad does, before any abd can be solved by greater wisdom, as anything else, will just try to get rid of what itself see as evil, by fighting and war???

just one reality...

peace




yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:32 AM

As far as I am concerned I have to agree with Lynne, that it is amusing to see the shoe on the other foot for a change.


shoe on the other foot??? amusing??? is there some kind of revenge movement going on and I missed the memo????

maybe if some people would stop gloating over the "other" side and stop living in the past or generalizing...then this world might be a better place. I know that would be a dream world, but in my opinion...people like that aren't any better than the ones they complain about

DaveyB's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:33 AM

I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part?


Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not.

enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:33 AM

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/219283

the pageant has already been debated on
I think it is okay to allow those of us who weren't in the other thread to discuss it here.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:34 AM


I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part?


Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not.


flip that even more...would she have caught as much flack if she answered with the opposite response???


enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:35 AM


I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part?


Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not.


her including "in my country" there, seems as if she was trying to speak for the entire country. IMHO

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:35 AM


http://mingle2.com/topic/show/219283

the pageant has already been debated on
I think it is okay to allow those of us who weren't in the other thread to discuss it here.


saves time on what was already said...not in the mood to repeat my arguements. if you don't want to read what has already been said...then don't

enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:36 AM


Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"


But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!!

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:37 AM



Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"


But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!!


wow...stereotyping

enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:37 AM



http://mingle2.com/topic/show/219283

the pageant has already been debated on
I think it is okay to allow those of us who weren't in the other thread to discuss it here.


saves time on what was already said...not in the mood to repeat my arguements. if you don't want to read what has already been said...then don't

I guess if you don't want to have to re-read what has already been say in your opinion then don't.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:37 AM
rofl

Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:37 AM
Have you ever read the "Communist Manafesto" ? It describes a world where everyone gets along, everyone is equal, everyone the same...Utopia!!

enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:38 AM




Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"


But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!!


wow...stereotyping


obviously humor is not your strong suit.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:39 AM





Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"


But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!!


wow...stereotyping


obviously humor is not your strong suit.


obviously you speak without knowing or without anything to back it up

enderra's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:40 AM






Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant?

Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!"


But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!!


wow...stereotyping


obviously humor is not your strong suit.


obviously you speak without knowing or without anything to back it up
I guess your own words don't count for you!

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