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Wow...lets not get nasty in here!! hahahaha
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Have you ever read the "Communist Manafesto" ? It describes a world where everyone gets along, everyone is equal, everyone the same...Utopia!! is communist bad??? another label to try to think one knows what most good is, by defining what it is not??? what made "communist" BAD??? MEN TRYING TO ****ING FORCE OTHER'S TO FOLLOW IT'S OWN DEFINED GOOD BY FORCE!!!??? BY DEEMING SOME OTHER RACE AS LESS, AND TRYING TO ****ING DESTROY THEM!!! SO IT IS BUT FIRST, DEEMING ANOTHER AS LESS, THAT FIRST CREATE SUCH CRAP??? heaven was indeed called as utopia as well, but you believe in heaven, as you believe in the bible, and this fact, you do not have to tell me, as i hear it in every word out of your mouth??? so, do you state FOR THE RECORD, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALL HUMANS AS EQUAL??? |
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I think it is okay to allow those of us who weren't in the other thread to discuss it here. saves time on what was already said...not in the mood to repeat my arguements. if you don't want to read what has already been said...then don't  You keep posting!!!!!
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Edited by
DaveyB
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Davey...like i said in the other thread...the question was unfair and it was her opinion. we all have one i didn't realize that the programs mentioned were started by any certain religion I agree though I have to admit I don't know of any of those programs that might be controlled by religious organizations. Their influence is felt but control is another thing. And "not long ago", "outside the main stream"? How long ago is "not long ago" because as far as I know things have been changing on that since long before I was born. |
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I think it is okay to allow those of us who weren't in the other thread to discuss it here. saves time on what was already said...not in the mood to repeat my arguements. if you don't want to read what has already been said...then don't You keep posting!!!!!
of course i'm posting  but not going to repeat the articles and such i have already done
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Edited by
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I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part? Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not. flip that even more...would she have caught as much flack if she answered with the opposite response??? YOU GO GIRL!!! flip flip flip it, as this women see equal, which is the only things that lead to any better wisdom and greater intelligence??? how can it be missed, that human man from the beginning was being "stretched" like a rubber band, to ACCEPT AND NOT HATE??? you go girl... peace |
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I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part? Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not. Most of the audience applauded her answer. At the worst one could only say half booed and half applauded. The question was posed by a gay judge! This is why I stated earlier, It was just another grab at media attention by the GLBT! There is no reason to suspect that the results of the beauty contest would have been any different had the question not been asked! |
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Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant? Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!" But they know fashion so much more than you straight guys!!!! 
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How many judges were there???? More than 1 I believe! 12?.....So if the majority of Americans oppose gay marriage there must have been a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is communism bad?? I guess it depends on if you have lived under it or not, most that lived under it have not love for it. Is heaven utopia? I will say that is the general idea...Would gays be equal in heaven?? Since it is an abomination in God's eyes, I don't think that is the case..
As far as if I belive that "humans" are equal...Not in all aspects...some are gifted athletes and some aren't, some are intellects and others aren't, some are poor and some are rich..some are funny comedians and others aren't, so in that way, no I do not believe that all humans are equal...if you mean do they have the same rights as me, if they live in this country they do, but that does not mean that I think they should marry. If the government want to pass laws allow gay people to marry, they that is their right, many in my family have died for everyones rights What you and others want more then equality is acceptance, and they cannot pass any law that can make that happen... So you really don't know me...huh |
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Yes she would have, because you are not allowed to say how you feel in public without "offending" someone". Any one that answered that question anyother way then they was Perez wanted it answered, would have to face the scorn of political correctness that the left seem to have no problem imposing on others. Opression comes in many forms, and political correctness in one that is used freely by those that oppose free speech. As for the " My country" part, I think all of us have expressed this country as my, at one time or the other, it is part of pride in ones nation. Not that we are perfect by any means, but pride in ones country never used to be a bad thing, and the overwhelming majority of the country still opposes same sex marriages. Don't have to like it, but its true. I have to say that I resent you putting all gays in the same basket. Perez is an a$$hole for asking her that question and I am sure I am not the only gay that feels that way. And who says someone isn't allowed to say how they feel, both sides pretty much say exactly how they feel. The only difference is that one side already has the rights the other side does not. If we already had the rights this would not be an issue. And by the way political correctness can be used on both sides of this issue. And overwhelming majority still thinks alot of things that are backward or antiquated, but this issue will be the last to be resolved I think. I didn't really think anything of the my country part but now that I do, people often say that, and I don't necessarily think they assume they live her alone. |
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Is communism bad?? I guess it depends on if you have lived under it or not, most that lived under it have not love for it. Is heaven utopia? I will say that is the general idea...Would gays be equal in heaven?? Since it is an abomination in God's eyes, I don't think that is the case.. As far as if I belive that "humans" are equal...Not in all aspects...some are gifted athletes and some aren't, some are intellects and others aren't, some are poor and some are rich..some are funny comedians and others aren't, so in that way, no I do not believe that all humans are equal...if you mean do they have the same rights as me, if they live in this country they do, but that does not mean that I think they should marry. If the government want to pass laws allow gay people to marry, they that is their right, many in my family have died for everyones rights What you and others want more then equality is acceptance, and they cannot pass any law that can make that happen... So you really don't know me...huh |
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I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part? Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not. Most of the audience applauded her answer. At the worst one could only say half booed and half applauded. The question was posed by a gay judge! This is why I stated earlier, It was just another grab at media attention by the GLBT! There is no reason to suspect that the results of the beauty contest would have been any different had the question not been asked! I'm sorry are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? . I make no judgements as to the outcome, I'm just saying I don't think it's relevant.
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It will continue to be an issue just as racism will continue, so cannot or will not accept others for either their belief or feelings, but if you think passing a law to make gay marriage equal will make it go away...you are sadly mistaken...Civil rights for black Americans was passed years ago,and yet the Al Sharptons of this country make a fine living inflamming the issue every chance they get.
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I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part? Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not. Most of the audience applauded her answer. At the worst one could only say half booed and half applauded. The question was posed by a gay judge! This is why I stated earlier, It was just another grab at media attention by the GLBT! There is no reason to suspect that the results of the beauty contest would have been any different had the question not been asked! I'm sorry are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? . I make no judgements as to the outcome, I'm just saying I don't think it's relevant.
No Davy, I was responding to the first Quote. |
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I wonder if she would have gotten so much flack if she had not added the "in my country" part? Interesting question... Probably because people were so stuck on the basic answer I doubt they would have heard anything else. And I think that's true whether they support gay marriage or not. Most of the audience applauded her answer. At the worst one could only say half booed and half applauded. The question was posed by a gay judge! This is why I stated earlier, It was just another grab at media attention by the GLBT! There is no reason to suspect that the results of the beauty contest would have been any different had the question not been asked! I'm sorry are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? . I make no judgements as to the outcome, I'm just saying I don't think it's relevant.
No Davy, I was responding to the first Quote. you were responding to the quote that I had responded to? Ok. Makes things a little confusing but I get it now. FTR from what I've seen in the previous thread there is plenty to back up that assumption but that seems to be being lost in this thread. No matter, it was still an unfair question. |
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Is communism bad?? I guess it depends on if you have lived under it or not, most that lived under it have not love for it. Is heaven utopia? I will say that is the general idea...Would gays be equal in heaven?? Since it is an abomination in God's eyes, I don't think that is the case.. As far as if I belive that "humans" are equal...Not in all aspects...some are gifted athletes and some aren't, some are intellects and others aren't, some are poor and some are rich..some are funny comedians and others aren't, so in that way, no I do not believe that all humans are equal...if you mean do they have the same rights as me, if they live in this country they do, but that does not mean that I think they should marry. If the government want to pass laws allow gay people to marry, they that is their right, many in my family have died for everyones rights What you and others want more then equality is acceptance, and they cannot pass any law that can make that happen... So you really don't know me...huh to deem "communism" bad, is to have no sight of WHY communism was bad, AND WHAT CREATED THE "BADS" people lived under??? did not "god" say all sin was an abomination", and the 'GREAEST SIN' WAS TO NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF"??? since this of course, all know was said to be the GREATEST COMMANDMENT ABOVE "ALL ELSE"??? many in your family have died for EVERYONE'S RIGHTS??? then this means everyone has equal rights, not ONE group, having MORE right to "control" another group??? if all are different, some being comedian's, some being giftd athlete's, some as poor, some as rich, some as as intellectual, then EQUAL IS ALL THESE AS HAVING EQUAL VALUE??? one would only say these are not all equal, unless oneself see some of these as better than other's itself??? i agree, NO LAW SHOULD FORCE ACCEPTENCE!!!??? that is BAD!!! LAWS PROTECT EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!!! EACH FOLLOW IT'S FREEDOM, AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT TRY TO "FORCE" ANOTHER TO DO AS IT WISH??? nay, i did not say "i know ya huh", only said i know you believe in the bible, and hear it from every word from your mouth??? but it does appear, as now you quote the "bible" on gays, that this reality spoken was correct, in you believing in the bible??? i believe every word in your bible as well, and every word in the universe, from all religions, as it is only but the interpretation of anything, from the heart of the person, that make one interpret against love, or to believe that distain or hate is first good to believe in??? perhaps why it was said, the GREATEST thing, was to love thy neighbor as thyself??? KNOWING FULL WELL, THE STRUGGLE TO LOVE THAT WOULD BEFALL ALL MAN, TO MAKE MAN GROW INTO ADULTS, AND NO LONGER BUT "CHILDREN OF GOD"??? but hey, don't want to hijack this thread, lol... as of course, respect for ALL, is the only true respect AT ALL??? peace man |
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Not to split hairs, but the greatest commandment was "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind and soul" This was the greatest of commandment. Second was "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...but that was a figurative statement, no literal statement.
I don't think I have ever stated any sin as being good, or some sins greater then others, for if you believe the bible as the written word of God, they you have to accept it's judgements on all sinful behavior. I simple stated that I do not believe in gay marriage, I didn't say why or what caused me to believe that, you assumed that part. It was you that injected the bible or ones belief in it or not. You asked a question relating to heaven and I stated that in God's heaven, there will be no gay people...I did not write that, but that is what it says. Believe it or not. Just because one knows about the bible does not signify a particular belief in it as much as reading it does not signify your understanding of it...true As far as believing in the bible or not, you can or you don't have to , you can belive all the religions in the world and words of the universe, that is the great thing about America..you can believe what you want, and I can accept that without a problem. And for Temptr, I never stated that it was a sin, I said that in the bible God says that it is a abomination, those weren't my words. Take the issue to him if you have a problem with it. Can all sins be forgiven, since I am not God, I cannot answer that other then to say what the general concensis is, Blastphamy is the only unforgivable sin, but you cannot be forgiven for a sin if you are continuing to live in that sin. My statements on communism only comes from information from my visits to USSR and other communist nations and listening to people that have lived under its tyranny, if it is what you want,great, but I will believe those that have actually lived under it for my source of understanding on the subject. |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Tue 04/21/09 01:22 PM
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Not to split hairs, but the greatest commandment was "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind and soul" This was the greatest of commandment. Second was "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...but that was a figurative statement, no literal statement. I don't think I have ever stated any sin as being good, or some sins greater then others, for if you believe the bible as the written word of God, they you have to accept it's judgements on all sinful behavior. I simple stated that I do not believe in gay marriage, I didn't say why or what caused me to believe that, you assumed that part. It was you that injected the bible or ones belief in it or not. You asked a question relating to heaven and I stated that in God's heaven, there will be no gay people...I did not write that, but that is what it says. Believe it or not. Just because one knows about the bible does not signify a particular belief in it as much as reading it does not signify your understanding of it...true As far as believing in the bible or not, you can or you don't have to , you can belive all the religions in the world and words of the universe, that is the great thing about America..you can believe what you want, and I can accept that without a problem. And for Temptr, I never stated that it was a sin, I said that in the bible God says that it is a abomination, those weren't my words. Take the issue to him if you have a problem with it. Can all sins be forgiven, since I am not God, I cannot answer that other then to say what the general concensis is, Blastphamy is the only unforgivable sin, but you cannot be forgiven for a sin if you are continuing to live in that sin. My statements on communism only comes from information from my visits to USSR and other communist nations and listening to people that have lived under its tyranny, if it is what you want,great, but I will believe those that have actually lived under it for my source of understanding on the subject. |
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when did I say you were living in sin Temptr??
If I said that a man that took something he didn't own, and the court called him a thief, would I be judging him for repeating what the court stated?? I was not his judge, but when asked what the judge says on a matter, does not make me the judgemental person.Seems pretty clear to me. |
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