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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc
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Too bad there are people that think that we can only exercise religion in our own homes... This, by definition, is intolerance of all, instead of tolerance of all...IMO BTW do you have control issues? Just wondering.... Hi Driven, Actually, why not excercise religion in your own home or church, why must it be in public? Do I really want to be tripping over some one meditating in the middle of the airport. Do I want to hear chanting outside my bedroom window, when I am trying to sleep? Are we so obsessed with our religions that we need to practice it everywhere, I wonder? It used to be that your religion was a private matter between you and your god, but it seems we wear it on our sleeves these days. I am glad that for the most part people where I live now are not in your face religious, they believe it's a private matter, and I think that is good thing. I believe it is a private matter as well. Just as our sexuality, we have bedrooms for that, do you really want public sex, I don't... oh wait we have that now too, but I guess I am a bit old fashioned, I don't want to see anyone going at it in the street. Just curious.. It is irresponsible to throw religion around. It is irresponsible to keep preaching when people don't want to listen. But, the first amendment sanctions this. If a kid gets caught praying quietly at a lunch table and get's in trouble for it, that is a breach of constitutional rights. As is the muslim being forbade to pray somewhere out of sight when the time comes to do so. It is illegal to prohibit the free exercise thereof... Remember? There is a balance, but this cannot be forced. See where i am going? Praying quietly at ones desk isn't a problem for me, nor is going somewhere private for Muslims, I though you mean outside my bedroom window.. grin.. Look as I see it if people really want peace, then just do it at home or in church. Don't we have enough anxiety between religions and the sexes etc? For what purpose must a child pray at school unless it's a religious school that forces it or requires it. What, the child can't pray before school? Muslims can't work their five times a day into morning and evening sessions at home or somewhere non public? I think that would be respectful of eachothers space if nothing more. I guess I just don't understand why religion has become such a public affair unless religions are in competition. I understand the free excercise thing, I just don't know why people feel the need to publically display everything... Can't we be free yet respectful of another person's space? Just wondering, not expecting that I am rambling about at this point to mean all that much. If we wanted to keep violence down, we would have a one world religion, a one world government, one race, we would all wear uniforms and shave our heads, and we would be medicated at all times. I am with you on publically displaying things. But that is something that we must just walk away from or even crack jokes at. Who cares? As long as they aren't throwing it in your face. Hell, i'm sick of seeing Paris Hilton or Britney Spears everywhere i go, but we shouldn't make it illegal for them to be celebrities... .... ....wait a minute....   
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. |
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How come the muslim was praying out of sight somewhere and all others are rejoicing in the streets???? LOL Because i'm sick of muslims....  JUST KIDDING...... No seriously, i'm kidding... |
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. What if there weren't any people that wanted to represent any other religion? |
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We will, and can never be "equal" accross the board. Until we accept that humans, as a race, are completely doomed. This will definitely kill us via genetics (if you believe in evolution). Having equal opportunities is a crucial right. But when one gets smart or lucky, we should not hold this person back for the sack of being equal. There is a difference between freedom and equality in a big picture. Oh my goodness, Driven what does all that mean? Your scaring me now. |
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. again...why only religions??? every religion or non religion can celebrate now. who is stopping them?? what about gay rights parades??? what if they offend people...should they stop??? NO. they have a right to as well. what about the KKK or Black Panthers....they are going to offend people...but they have the rights as well. just like pro-life and pro-choice you seem to focus alot on religion only |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. general statement. not all homosexuals think that way |
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. What if there weren't any people that wanted to represent any other religion? That isn't possible with all the other religions available and practiced in this country. |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. |
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We will, and can never be "equal" accross the board. Until we accept that humans, as a race, are completely doomed. This will definitely kill us via genetics (if you believe in evolution). Having equal opportunities is a crucial right. But when one gets smart or lucky, we should not hold this person back for the sack of being equal. There is a difference between freedom and equality in a big picture. Oh my goodness, Driven what does all that mean? Your scaring me now. I clearified it earlier. I'm abit out of it. I'm doing this while studying... (i know it's no excuse) Basically equal treatment is important, up until I am violating your rights to succeed. Meaning, if you make more money by busting your butt, i can't take that extra money to make me equal without infringing on your freedom. Just like, affirmative action making it difficult to hire a white straight male over a black female, even though he is more qualified. I don't think anyone should ever get singled out. No one gets special treatment. Everyone gets treated the same, but if i turn out to be on the upper side of middle class, it's not because i am a white male, it is because i busted my ass going to college for 12 years, having to out compete the majority of my age group. No matter what color, race, gender sexual orientation, no one that is any less qualified than me, should ever be chosen over me, and vice versa. |
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. What if there weren't any people that wanted to represent any other religion? That isn't possible with all the other religions available and practiced in this country. 60 to 70% are christians. What if everyone was informed of this rally or get together, and no one from these religions happened to step forward? What if they were in the bible belt and all happened to be christians? |
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dragoness...since you want to engage..let's engage
if there was a winter soltice celebration..why should I expect them to include other religions with it??? inviting people to there celebration is great...i've been to some...but wouldn't expect them to cater to me and change their celebration i don't celevrate any holidays as religious of any kind....so should I be offended by others that do???? no |
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Too bad there are people that think that we can only exercise religion in our own homes... This, by definition, is intolerance of all, instead of tolerance of all...IMO BTW do you have control issues? Just wondering.... Hi Driven, Actually, why not excercise religion in your own home or church, why must it be in public? Do I really want to be tripping over some one meditating in the middle of the airport. Do I want to hear chanting outside my bedroom window, when I am trying to sleep? Are we so obsessed with our religions that we need to practice it everywhere, I wonder? It used to be that your religion was a private matter between you and your god, but it seems we wear it on our sleeves these days. I am glad that for the most part people where I live now are not in your face religious, they believe it's a private matter, and I think that is good thing. I believe it is a private matter as well. Just as our sexuality, we have bedrooms for that, do you really want public sex, I don't... oh wait we have that now too, but I guess I am a bit old fashioned, I don't want to see anyone going at it in the street. Just curious.. It is irresponsible to throw religion around. It is irresponsible to keep preaching when people don't want to listen. But, the first amendment sanctions this. If a kid gets caught praying quietly at a lunch table and get's in trouble for it, that is a breach of constitutional rights. As is the muslim being forbade to pray somewhere out of sight when the time comes to do so. It is illegal to prohibit the free exercise thereof... Remember? There is a balance, but this cannot be forced. See where i am going? Praying quietly at ones desk isn't a problem for me, nor is going somewhere private for Muslims, I though you mean outside my bedroom window.. grin.. Look as I see it if people really want peace, then just do it at home or in church. Don't we have enough anxiety between religions and the sexes etc? For what purpose must a child pray at school unless it's a religious school that forces it or requires it. What, the child can't pray before school? Muslims can't work their five times a day into morning and evening sessions at home or somewhere non public? I think that would be respectful of eachothers space if nothing more. I guess I just don't understand why religion has become such a public affair unless religions are in competition. I understand the free excercise thing, I just don't know why people feel the need to publically display everything... Can't we be free yet respectful of another person's space? Just wondering, not expecting that I am rambling about at this point to mean all that much. If we wanted to keep violence down, we would have a one world religion, a one world government, one race, we would all wear uniforms and shave our heads, and we would be medicated at all times. I am with you on publically displaying things. But that is something that we must just walk away from or even crack jokes at. Who cares? As long as they aren't throwing it in your face. Hell, i'm sick of seeing Paris Hilton or Britney Spears everywhere i go, but we shouldn't make it illegal for them to be celebrities... .... ....wait a minute.... Wait, I do want a law that says you can't tell us anything about Hilton of Spears, except once ever 6 months..grin. I'm not even going to go the way of one world order crapola, that won't work either. but I don't see why we can't respect each others space and leave religion in the home and church where it doesn't conflict with another persons privacy to practice theirs. Seems fair to me. Religious parades don't happen all that often so that's ok. Gay parades are not religious that I know of, but I don't like them myself, however they aren't all the time either so that's cool. Just religion and sex, those two things cause more arguments than anything else, so keep them private, except for weddings and special occasions.. why not? |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 04/22/09 07:46 PM
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. again...why only religions??? every religion or non religion can celebrate now. who is stopping them?? what about gay rights parades??? what if they offend people...should they stop??? NO. they have a right to as well. what about the KKK or Black Panthers....they are going to offend people...but they have the rights as well. just like pro-life and pro-choice you seem to focus alot on religion only My fault... sorry.... 
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dragoness...so to respect all (which is impossible to do) then everything would be eliminated in public....parades, demonstrations, etc If all religions are represented fairly in the public event then there is no favoritism. Same amount of time being given for each religion available to man is fair, if not then we have to go with the opposite to be respectful to all. again...why only religions??? every religion or non religion can celebrate now. who is stopping them?? what about gay rights parades??? what if they offend people...should they stop??? NO. they have a right to as well. what about the KKK or Black Panthers....they are going to offend people...but they have the rights as well. just like pro-life and pro-choice you seem to focus alot on religion only Gays would gladly have any other groups join in their gay and lesbian celebrations, they are not non inclusive ( know that is improper grammar). They are usually the outsiders. The other groups you mentioned are non inclusive groups they limit who can join and celebrate with them. Religion was the OP right? |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. Justification for the wrongs does not make them right. |
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ok....i'm offended by brittney spears and paris hilton even being mentioned (although i think everyone would agree on that one)
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Too bad there are people that think that we can only exercise religion in our own homes... This, by definition, is intolerance of all, instead of tolerance of all...IMO BTW do you have control issues? Just wondering.... Hi Driven, Actually, why not excercise religion in your own home or church, why must it be in public? Do I really want to be tripping over some one meditating in the middle of the airport. Do I want to hear chanting outside my bedroom window, when I am trying to sleep? Are we so obsessed with our religions that we need to practice it everywhere, I wonder? It used to be that your religion was a private matter between you and your god, but it seems we wear it on our sleeves these days. I am glad that for the most part people where I live now are not in your face religious, they believe it's a private matter, and I think that is good thing. I believe it is a private matter as well. Just as our sexuality, we have bedrooms for that, do you really want public sex, I don't... oh wait we have that now too, but I guess I am a bit old fashioned, I don't want to see anyone going at it in the street. Just curious.. It is irresponsible to throw religion around. It is irresponsible to keep preaching when people don't want to listen. But, the first amendment sanctions this. If a kid gets caught praying quietly at a lunch table and get's in trouble for it, that is a breach of constitutional rights. As is the muslim being forbade to pray somewhere out of sight when the time comes to do so. It is illegal to prohibit the free exercise thereof... Remember? There is a balance, but this cannot be forced. See where i am going? Praying quietly at ones desk isn't a problem for me, nor is going somewhere private for Muslims, I though you mean outside my bedroom window.. grin.. Look as I see it if people really want peace, then just do it at home or in church. Don't we have enough anxiety between religions and the sexes etc? For what purpose must a child pray at school unless it's a religious school that forces it or requires it. What, the child can't pray before school? Muslims can't work their five times a day into morning and evening sessions at home or somewhere non public? I think that would be respectful of eachothers space if nothing more. I guess I just don't understand why religion has become such a public affair unless religions are in competition. I understand the free excercise thing, I just don't know why people feel the need to publically display everything... Can't we be free yet respectful of another person's space? Just wondering, not expecting that I am rambling about at this point to mean all that much. If we wanted to keep violence down, we would have a one world religion, a one world government, one race, we would all wear uniforms and shave our heads, and we would be medicated at all times. I am with you on publically displaying things. But that is something that we must just walk away from or even crack jokes at. Who cares? As long as they aren't throwing it in your face. Hell, i'm sick of seeing Paris Hilton or Britney Spears everywhere i go, but we shouldn't make it illegal for them to be celebrities... .... ....wait a minute.... Wait, I do want a law that says you can't tell us anything about Hilton of Spears, except once ever 6 months..grin. I'm not even going to go the way of one world order crapola, that won't work either. but I don't see why we can't respect each others space and leave religion in the home and church where it doesn't conflict with another persons privacy to practice theirs. Seems fair to me. Religious parades don't happen all that often so that's ok. Gay parades are not religious that I know of, but I don't like them myself, however they aren't all the time either so that's cool. Just religion and sex, those two things cause more arguments than anything else, so keep them private, except for weddings and special occasions.. why not? Im glad you don't buy into that one world order crap. But, if we respected everyone's space, and someone were religious, would we not have to respect that persons space as well? Does tolerance not go both ways? |
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