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Dragoness,
How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Have you ever been around gay or lesbian people? If you had you would know that the choice thing is an urban myth. Plus if you want to persecute them, it is always easier if you make it a choice they make wrongly. Gay and lesbianism is not a choice it is a natural reaction that happens in some people when they start developing their sexuality. Bisexual is no different if you are attracted to both sexes sexually you are born with this tendency. How do I know I am not gay? I do not feel sexually aroused by a naked woman or have never felt sexually attracted to a woman at any time in my life. Does that make me better than someone who has, no, just different. |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. I don't think he's discrimminating at all. What he is saying is that sometimes these groups pushing for "affirmative action", end up pushing too far. Some people's definition of equal rights means special rights, or forcing religion to accept these changes. For instance, your hipocracy comes from your belief that religion should only be practice in the privacy of ones own home. What if someone believes the same about sexuality? Equal rights means everybody is treated the same on a governmental level. This means if a group of KKK members get together, the government stays out of it. Unless of course a crime is committed or someone's rights are being trampled on... |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. I don't think he's discrimminating at all. What he is saying is that sometimes these groups pushing for "affirmative action", end up pushing too far. Some people's definition of equal rights means special rights, or forcing religion to accept these changes. For instance, your hipocracy comes from your belief that religion should only be practice in the privacy of ones own home. What if someone believes the same about sexuality? Not a valid comparison here because religion being practiced in ones own home denies no human rights at all. Denying those who wish to marry and are adults with mental coherency is a violation of their rights. They can be married and live in their home together without bothering anyone on the outside who is not being discriminatory. |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Have you ever been around gay or lesbian people? If you had you would know that the choice thing is an urban myth. Plus if you want to persecute them, it is always easier if you make it a choice they make wrongly. Gay and lesbianism is not a choice it is a natural reaction that happens in some people when they start developing their sexuality. Bisexual is no different if you are attracted to both sexes sexually you are born with this tendency. How do I know I am not gay? I do not feel sexually aroused by a naked woman or have never felt sexually attracted to a woman at any time in my life. Does that make me better than someone who has, no, just different. No the not being a choice thing is a GLBT myth! And no matter how many times they have paid for bias researh results, the results are never able to be repeated! Interviews of gays through out history even contradict their myth! |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. I don't think he's discrimminating at all. What he is saying is that sometimes these groups pushing for "affirmative action", end up pushing too far. Some people's definition of equal rights means special rights, or forcing religion to accept these changes. For instance, your hipocracy comes from your belief that religion should only be practice in the privacy of ones own home. What if someone believes the same about sexuality? Not a valid comparison here because religion being practiced in ones own home denies no human rights at all. Denying those who wish to marry and are adults with mental coherency is a violation of their rights. They can be married and live in their home together without bothering anyone on the outside who is not being discriminatory. I think it's the perfect comparison. If you can't exercise religion freely outside of your home, you shouldn't exercise sexuality in any other setting. That means, no one should know who you like, love, etc, and publically displaying affection should not be tolerated. This also means to wedding rings... Wow...that kinda takes all the personality out of the world doesn't it? |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Have you ever been around gay or lesbian people? If you had you would know that the choice thing is an urban myth. Plus if you want to persecute them, it is always easier if you make it a choice they make wrongly. Gay and lesbianism is not a choice it is a natural reaction that happens in some people when they start developing their sexuality. Bisexual is no different if you are attracted to both sexes sexually you are born with this tendency. How do I know I am not gay? I do not feel sexually aroused by a naked woman or have never felt sexually attracted to a woman at any time in my life. Does that make me better than someone who has, no, just different. No the not being a choice thing is a GLBT myth! Now think about that statement.  If you want all that this country has to offer in life. Have the easiest path to get there. Have all the support systems offered familial and otherwise. You would WILLLINGLY CHOOSE to be something that is ostricized. You would WILLINGLY CHOOSE to be discriminated against. You would WILLINGLY CHOOSE to go against your family in most cases. You would WILLINGLY CHOOSE to have to battle for your very rights as a human being. NOT EVEN!!!!!! The "choice" myth is definitly not even SLIGHTLY logical from any point of view unless a person has a bias and WANTS TO BELIEVE IT. I doesn't make any sense and usually that means an untruth created for oppression. |
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject.
Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! |
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let's have a referendum vote in every state, and put this all to an end one way or the other. I keep reading what is right and what is wrong, but the numbers don't add up. 30% support gay marriage. That means 70% doesn't. Have the vote. Ya, great idea, screw the constitution, we can shut them up right now with a vote because we know dang well they will lose with that vote in each state. Ya, great idea, let's trample 30% of the population just because we can and because we feel we have the god given right to.. Love it!!! Let's do it tommorow. |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies.
And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. I don't think he's discrimminating at all. What he is saying is that sometimes these groups pushing for "affirmative action", end up pushing too far. Some people's definition of equal rights means special rights, or forcing religion to accept these changes. For instance, your hipocracy comes from your belief that religion should only be practice in the privacy of ones own home. What if someone believes the same about sexuality? Not a valid comparison here because religion being practiced in ones own home denies no human rights at all. Denying those who wish to marry and are adults with mental coherency is a violation of their rights. They can be married and live in their home together without bothering anyone on the outside who is not being discriminatory. I think it's the perfect comparison. If you can't exercise religion freely outside of your home, you shouldn't exercise sexuality in any other setting. That means, no one should know who you like, love, etc, and publically displaying affection should not be tolerated. This also means to wedding rings... Wow...that kinda takes all the personality out of the world doesn't it? It makes public marriage out of the question for anyone basically. Which if that would be a viable option, I would be all for it. |
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No the not being a choice thing is a GLBT myth!
And no matter how many times they have paid for bias researh results, the results are never able to be repeated! Interviews of gays through out history even contradict their myth! |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. |
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No the not being a choice thing is a GLBT myth! And no matter how many times they have paid for bias researh results, the results are never able to be repeated! Interviews of gays through out history even contradict their myth! The choice myth is the myth in all of this created for oppression and discrimination. |
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. You did say that unethical methods were ok if those using them deem the cause more important. That is a contradiction to your own words concerning the Bush Administrations policies, and that is hypocritical! |
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Dragoness, How can one condemn a lack of ethical behavior when ones own behavior is no better! Two wrongs never make a right, and often do more to harm ones cause than to help it! I sense and feel some of your personal bias here. I don't mean to stomp on toes but to discriminate against another human for their being different is wrong. To deny marriage to any adult who want to marry if mentally capable is a denial of given rights to all humans. I don't think he's discrimminating at all. What he is saying is that sometimes these groups pushing for "affirmative action", end up pushing too far. Some people's definition of equal rights means special rights, or forcing religion to accept these changes. For instance, your hipocracy comes from your belief that religion should only be practice in the privacy of ones own home. What if someone believes the same about sexuality? Not a valid comparison here because religion being practiced in ones own home denies no human rights at all. Denying those who wish to marry and are adults with mental coherency is a violation of their rights. They can be married and live in their home together without bothering anyone on the outside who is not being discriminatory. I think it's the perfect comparison. If you can't exercise religion freely outside of your home, you shouldn't exercise sexuality in any other setting. That means, no one should know who you like, love, etc, and publically displaying affection should not be tolerated. This also means to wedding rings... Wow...that kinda takes all the personality out of the world doesn't it? It makes public marriage out of the question for anyone basically. Which if that would be a viable option, I would be all for it. I much prefer free exercise of both to be honest. As long as they don't start paying 5 times a day over loud speakers... 
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. This is also a myth created to continue discrimination and oppression. They make those programs because there are a shortage of those groups in that area. It is an incentive to get more opportunity out there. Until discrimination is obliterated in this country there will be a place for government intervention. And we are nowhere near there. |
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