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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. If your logic of thinking is that majority should not rule.You do not understand the logic this country was founded on.In the 200 plus years of this country there has never been elections won by winners with the less votes.I am not sure who would want this idiolical way of thinking since if the minority won every time we could pass all kinds of stupid laws nobody would want.You are also wrong about the government thinking that a few peoples wishes would trample over the wishes of hundreds or millions.Although everyone has certain rights our founding fathers were crystal clear about holding elections and letting the majority rule. If you theory of letting the minority win every time I suppose then Obama should be thrown out on his butt and Mccain thrown in the white house. Your theory of the church somehow governing the laws of this country is complete nonsense.I would love it if you could give me one single example where the government uses the church to enforce laws.Sorry bub but this isnt the 13th century anymore. Actually the vote thing is not true either Bush won without the popular vote and he wasn't the only one. Is it too much to ask to get a straight question to a straight answer in here? LOL Religion has been included more so than they should have been in politics, proof----money, legal proceedings, public prayer, christmas displays on government property, etc... It is ingrained deeply and has been given more power than it should have ever had if we would have followed the constructors ideals of how religion was to be treated. That wasn't my question.My question is if your logic is that the minority should win then should Mccain be president? |
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Davy the proof is glaring at you!
Your just denying it! |
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To anyone who cares,
There are thousands of Christian Churches that welcome gays! Thousands! Some Christian denominations even allow gays to be clergy! |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. If your logic of thinking is that majority should not rule.You do not understand the logic this country was founded on.In the 200 plus years of this country there has never been elections won by winners with the less votes.I am not sure who would want this idiolical way of thinking since if the minority won every time we could pass all kinds of stupid laws nobody would want.You are also wrong about the government thinking that a few peoples wishes would trample over the wishes of hundreds or millions.Although everyone has certain rights our founding fathers were crystal clear about holding elections and letting the majority rule. If you theory of letting the minority win every time I suppose then Obama should be thrown out on his butt and Mccain thrown in the white house. Your theory of the church somehow governing the laws of this country is complete nonsense.I would love it if you could give me one single example where the government uses the church to enforce laws.Sorry bub but this isnt the 13th century anymore. Actually the vote thing is not true either Bush won without the popular vote and he wasn't the only one. Is it too much to ask to get a straight question to a straight answer in here? LOL Religion has been included more so than they should have been in politics, proof----money, legal proceedings, public prayer, christmas displays on government property, etc... It is ingrained deeply and has been given more power than it should have ever had if we would have followed the constructors ideals of how religion was to be treated. That wasn't my question.My question is if your logic is that the minority should win then should Mccain be president? Wishful thinking for some I am sure. I guess you missed adj's post huh? Go back to it, it will answer straight forward as can be done. |
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Fanta although I never agree with you I can see we agree on the fact that when it comes to discussing these issues certain people just can't accept the facts or choose to ignor them.
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. If your logic of thinking is that majority should not rule.You do not understand the logic this country was founded on.In the 200 plus years of this country there has never been elections won by winners with the less votes.I am not sure who would want this idiolical way of thinking since if the minority won every time we could pass all kinds of stupid laws nobody would want.You are also wrong about the government thinking that a few peoples wishes would trample over the wishes of hundreds or millions.Although everyone has certain rights our founding fathers were crystal clear about holding elections and letting the majority rule. If you theory of letting the minority win every time I suppose then Obama should be thrown out on his butt and Mccain thrown in the white house. Your theory of the church somehow governing the laws of this country is complete nonsense.I would love it if you could give me one single example where the government uses the church to enforce laws.Sorry bub but this isnt the 13th century anymore. Actually the vote thing is not true either Bush won without the popular vote and he wasn't the only one. Is it too much to ask to get a straight question to a straight answer in here? LOL Religion has been included more so than they should have been in politics, proof----money, legal proceedings, public prayer, christmas displays on government property, etc... It is ingrained deeply and has been given more power than it should have ever had if we would have followed the constructors ideals of how religion was to be treated. That wasn't my question.My question is if your logic is that the minority should win then should Mccain be president? Wishful thinking for some I am sure. I guess you missed adj's post huh? Go back to it, it will answer straight forward as can be done. You can't have it both ways.Stop preaching about the minority and then flip floppnig when it comes to a issue that don't come in your favor. 
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To anyone who cares, There are thousands of Christian Churches that welcome gays! Thousands! Some Christian denominations even allow gays to be clergy! Thousands? I think that may be an exageration. To what level do you mean they accept? Do they stop telling everyone they will go to hell for it? Cause that is the only way for full acceptance. |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. If your logic of thinking is that majority should not rule.You do not understand the logic this country was founded on.In the 200 plus years of this country there has never been elections won by winners with the less votes.I am not sure who would want this idiolical way of thinking since if the minority won every time we could pass all kinds of stupid laws nobody would want.You are also wrong about the government thinking that a few peoples wishes would trample over the wishes of hundreds or millions.Although everyone has certain rights our founding fathers were crystal clear about holding elections and letting the majority rule. If you theory of letting the minority win every time I suppose then Obama should be thrown out on his butt and Mccain thrown in the white house. Your theory of the church somehow governing the laws of this country is complete nonsense.I would love it if you could give me one single example where the government uses the church to enforce laws.Sorry bub but this isnt the 13th century anymore. Actually the vote thing is not true either Bush won without the popular vote and he wasn't the only one. Is it too much to ask to get a straight question to a straight answer in here? LOL Religion has been included more so than they should have been in politics, proof----money, legal proceedings, public prayer, christmas displays on government property, etc... It is ingrained deeply and has been given more power than it should have ever had if we would have followed the constructors ideals of how religion was to be treated. That wasn't my question.My question is if your logic is that the minority should win then should Mccain be president? Wishful thinking for some I am sure. I guess you missed adj's post huh? Go back to it, it will answer straight forward as can be done. You can't have it both ways.Stop preaching about the minority and then flip floppnig when it comes to a issue that don't come in your favor. I did not flip flop at all. You twist. |
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I am getting ready to go to bed. Fun debate. Good night all.
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It never fails to amuse me what comes out of the mouth of a liberal.It is easy to see why it is a mental disorder.For the person who started this post you need to stop blaming the worlds problems on the Chrisitans.There are people who live in this country that came from all over the world and there are tens of millions who live here who are not Christians who are against gays and the agenda they are pushing.I can assure you 100% if you took all the Christians out of America and replaced them with Atheist or some other religion it wouldn't be any different.Gays would still not be accepted and people would still be against gay marriage.China is a country with no official religion and made almost of entirely Atheist.Not only are gays condemned they would most likely be killed if they ever tried to have a gay pride parade. The Christians are only standing up for what they have always had.It is not like there was gay marriage and the Christians ended it.Standing up for something good you have always believed in should not be trampled over for any reason especially when it involved millions of people. Instead of calling people names and asking good,moral,people to throw their vaules down the toilet maybe you respect the fact that people would rather spend a day in heaven than a eternity in hell. "Being liberal is a mental disorder." You are such a comedian, Thomas. Too funny.  1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NIV) 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. |
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Are you going to start quoting bible verses and your interpretation of American Democracy? I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all. i do believe it says ""republic for which it stands"" not democracy for which it stands |
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 like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! |
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like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! you mean when he wrote democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority -------Thomas Jefferson--------- |
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I think the core of the problem with the gays is thay have no respect for the will of the voters at all.This should get the attention of anyone who is a registered voter here regardless of your social status.I also know of no other group of people in the history of this nation that has caused such a ruckus and generally irritated the government like the gays have.Taking the votes and wishes of the voters and throwing them in the garbage is not what this country was founded on or what it is about today.Since when does a small majority of people trample over the wishes of millions and get away with it? This is where the problem lies. Our constitution was specifically designed to make sure the will of the many could NOT TRAMPLE the rights of the few. Which is exactly what is happening when you try to make gay marriage illegal. This is less about gay marriage and more about a small group of people trying to run this country like a dictatorship. This is the most laughable argument yet. It is the the powerful far right church who is trying to run the country as a dictatorship, totally ignoring our constitution. If your logic of thinking is that majority should not rule.You do not understand the logic this country was founded on.In the 200 plus years of this country there has never been elections won by winners with the less votes.I am not sure who would want this idiolical way of thinking since if the minority won every time we could pass all kinds of stupid laws nobody would want.You are also wrong about the government thinking that a few peoples wishes would trample over the wishes of hundreds or millions.Although everyone has certain rights our founding fathers were crystal clear about holding elections and letting the majority rule. If you theory of letting the minority win every time I suppose then Obama should be thrown out on his butt and Mccain thrown in the white house. Your theory of the church somehow governing the laws of this country is complete nonsense.I would love it if you could give me one single example where the government uses the church to enforce laws.Sorry bub but this isnt the 13th century anymore. Actually the vote thing is not true either Bush won without the popular vote and he wasn't the only one. Is it too much to ask to get a straight question to a straight answer in here? LOL Religion has been included more so than they should have been in politics, proof----money, legal proceedings, public prayer, christmas displays on government property, etc... It is ingrained deeply and has been given more power than it should have ever had if we would have followed the constructors ideals of how religion was to be treated. That wasn't my question.My question is if your logic is that the minority should win then should Mccain be president? Wishful thinking for some I am sure. I guess you missed adj's post huh? Go back to it, it will answer straight forward as can be done. You can't have it both ways.Stop preaching about the minority and then flip floppnig when it comes to a issue that don't come in your favor. She is asking you to read, something you seem to avoid when it comes tot his issue, if you go back your answer is there, not sense in posting it twice. |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. |
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like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! you mean when he wrote democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority -------Thomas Jefferson--------- Give me a break.You take one sentence from Jefferson and you think that the entire voting system is based off of that?The founding fathers said some great things and they said some stupid things.One thing they didn't do is make sure the minority always won in elections.Grab a history book! |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. We already discussed this before.Scientest have already proven that there is no difference between gays and straights using a CAT scan or other method. |
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A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
Thomas Jefferson A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Thomas Jefferson All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. Thomas Jefferson Every generation needs a new revolution. Thomas Jefferson Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. Thomas Jefferson |
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Try standing in her shoes, at that moment, burdened with appeasing EVERYONE, a nation! That is exactly why I thought it was an inappropriate question to ask of her. And if the judges didn't rip Perez a new one after the show I would be suprised. I personally have empathy for our new president as he faces much of the same kind of anxiety from the public, he can't win either way in most cases with so much anger and resentment out there. Opps. Off topic. I agree! Who, what, and why was an openly gay man picked to judge a woman's beauty pageant? Can you say, "NOT QUALIFIED!" A man can't do the job? I have no problem with the fact that he is openly gay, but I do have a problem with a loaded question like that, and judges going along with that question if they did. The man's intentions are what I would have questioned because he did a diservice to the gay community. Sure there maybe gays that will stand up for this clown, but I would wager not many, but I don't want to be judged by his actions. The Pageant people approved the question before the show. So who approved a much hated, controversial, and unpopular man to be a judge at such a prestigious event in the first place? How do you reckon he was picked winx! I don't know. Friends with Trump, maybe? |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. We already discussed this before.Scientest have already proven that there is no difference between gays and straights using a CAT scan or other method. And I didn't agree with you.  Drivin (our future doc) said this, "While i completely agree that acting on desires, etc. is a choice. There is scientific evidence that straight and gay people are physiologically different. For instance, Gay men give off different pheromones than straight men. This is true for women as well. They have also discovered different brain wave patterns in transexuals, gay people and straight people. Not sure if you knew that or not. But i found these discoveries to be quite interesting... |
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