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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. We already discussed this before.Scientest have already proven that there is no difference between gays and straights using a CAT scan or other method. And I didn't agree with you.  Drivin (our future doc) said this, "While i completely agree that acting on desires, etc. is a choice. There is scientific evidence that straight and gay people are physiologically different. For instance, Gay men give off different pheromones than straight men. This is true for women as well. They have also discovered different brain wave patterns in transexuals, gay people and straight people. Not sure if you knew that or not. But i found these discoveries to be quite interesting... Your talking to a man that could care less frankly. Even if the proof were right in front of him. |
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A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference. Thomas Jefferson A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Thomas Jefferson All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. Thomas Jefferson Every generation needs a new revolution. Thomas Jefferson Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. Thomas Jefferson Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public office save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. - Theodore Roosevelt "This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men, who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them, cannot be enslaved." - Benjamin Franklin God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. - Daniel Webster "If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of god, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - Samuel Adams was the Father of the American Revolution No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. - Sixteenth American Jurisprudence Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the Peoples' Liberty's Teeth." - George Washington I have now disposed of all my property to my family; there is one thing more I wish I could give them, and that is the Christian religion. If they have that, and I had not given them one shilling, they would be rich; and if they have not this, and I had given them all this world, they would be poor. - Patrick Henry in his will I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid. - Benjamin Franklin The highest level of prosperity occurs when there is a free-market economy and a minimum of government regulations. - Adam Smith , "The Wealth of Nations" |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. We already discussed this before.Scientest have already proven that there is no difference between gays and straights using a CAT scan or other method. And I didn't agree with you. Drivin (our future doc) said this, "While i completely agree that acting on desires, etc. is a choice. There is scientific evidence that straight and gay people are physiologically different. For instance, Gay men give off different pheromones than straight men. This is true for women as well. They have also discovered different brain wave patterns in transexuals, gay people and straight people. Not sure if you knew that or not. But i found these discoveries to be quite interesting... Your talking to a man that could care less frankly. Even if the proof were right in front of him.  
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 like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! you mean when he wrote democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority -------Thomas Jefferson--------- Give me a break.You take one sentence from Jefferson and you think that the entire voting system is based off of that?The founding fathers said some great things and they said some stupid things.One thing they didn't do is make sure the minority always won in elections.Grab a history book! give me a break show me where it says in the constitution where it says unless the majority says otherwise when it comes to the bill of rights until then you are wrong to think it is majority rule it is supposed to be that the constitution is the law of the land and no where does it say majority rule the president does not even have to have the majority of the popular vote to be elected so that in itself proves your and others claim that majority rule is the law of the land is incorrect |
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"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike. It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson
"If the price I must pay for my freedom is to acknowledge that the government was granted the power to infringe on them, then I am not free." - Pol Anderson "Our task of creating a Socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." - Sarah Brady "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson "Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing upthe ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning, they want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand... It never did... and it never will... Find out just what the people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - Frederick Douglas (1857) The emblem of equal rights. It means free hands, free lips, self-government, and the sovereignty of the individual. - Robert Ingersoll |
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like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! you mean when he wrote democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority -------Thomas Jefferson--------- Give me a break.You take one sentence from Jefferson and you think that the entire voting system is based off of that?The founding fathers said some great things and they said some stupid things.One thing they didn't do is make sure the minority always won in elections.Grab a history book! give me a break show me where it says in the constitution where it says unless the majority says otherwise when it comes to the bill of rights until then you are wrong to think it is majority rule it is supposed to be that the constitution is the law of the land and no where does it say majority rule the president does not even have to have the majority of the popular vote to be elected so that in itself proves your and others claim that majority rule is the law of the land is incorrect Maybe you need to check the voting records for the last 200 or so years.Show me where anyone won by a minority vote. |
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Maybe you need to check the voting records for the last 200 or so years.Show me where anyone won by a minority vote. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/prestrivia1.html Four Presidents won the popular vote but lost the presidency: Andrew Jackson won the popular vote but lost the election to John Quincy Adams (1824); Samuel J. Tilden won the popular vote but lost the election to Rutherford B. Hayes (1876); Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but lost the election to Benjamin Harrison (1888); Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election to George W. Bush (2000). maybe you need to study history a bit more like i said kinda proves majority rule is not the law of the land |
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Funny...how some cry out in support of the Constitution from one side of their mouth while ripping it to pieces from the other.
But...any way the wind blows eh? Umm and our founding fathers fears that the majority would trample all others...dare I once more mention the tyranny of the majority our founder mentioned more than once. But...if you insist on majority rule as you trumpeted it in California then take note in New York state the majority favors gay marriage. The new Siena poll in New York State shows that a majority of registered voters here favor legalizing gay marriage -- a push that currently has the support of Gov. David Paterson and others, but is not guaranteed passage in the state Senate. The numbers: 53% favor, 39% oppose, with a ±3.8% margin of error. The internals show all regions of the state (New York City, the suburbs and Upstate) support it by various margins. Among religious sub-groups, only 41% of Protestants favor it to 53% against, Jews favor it 64%-32% -- and Catholics favor it by a 49%-41% plurality. In the racial cross-tabs, Whites are in favor 56%-36%, Latinos are for it 57%-31%, and African-Americans oppose it with 44% in favor to 49% against. I would dearly love to address this comment to a few individuals here but I will not...still you know who you are right? Rest easy, you will not be required to marry a person of your same sex if gay marriage is legal. Will you be required to see gay people daily? Why yes you will just as you are now. Gay people are your neighbors, politicians, plumbers, police, pharmacists, family members, children, teachers, students.... Gay marriage being legal might undermine the institution of marriage that's true. But only because when your gay neighbor, family member, cop...whatever...manages to make a success of his or her marriage when you cannot is going to force people to reexamine just what marriage means. Straight people have crapped all over marriage with abuse, neglect, indifference and selfishness...you cannot argue that when looking at the divorce rate. Wouldn't it be grand to see people who crave the right to marry make a success at it? Oh...and wouldn't that really make you haters mad? (I don't think all gay marriage will work but if more than 50% did wouldn't that give gay marriage a better grounding than traditional marriage?) |
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Being Bi-sexual is a choice. Being transsexual is also a choice. Until science and fact can prove otherwise, Being gay is a choice! Being of a different race is not a choice. How about the comparisons between the struggles of people because of race, and being gay cease. There is no comparison! Science is showing evidence of differences between straight and gays. Winx, LOL I am not going to answer every question twice. When you pull up my post also look for the answer to yours not far from there!
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Funny...how some cry out in support of the Constitution from one side of their mouth while ripping it to pieces from the other. But...any way the wind blows eh? Umm and our founding fathers fears that the majority would trample all others...dare I once more mention the tyranny of the majority our founder mentioned more than once. But...if you insist on majority rule as you trumpeted it in California then take note in New York state the majority favors gay marriage. The new Siena poll in New York State shows that a majority of registered voters here favor legalizing gay marriage -- a push that currently has the support of Gov. David Paterson and others, but is not guaranteed passage in the state Senate. The numbers: 53% favor, 39% oppose, with a ±3.8% margin of error. The internals show all regions of the state (New York City, the suburbs and Upstate) support it by various margins. Among religious sub-groups, only 41% of Protestants favor it to 53% against, Jews favor it 64%-32% -- and Catholics favor it by a 49%-41% plurality. In the racial cross-tabs, Whites are in favor 56%-36%, Latinos are for it 57%-31%, and African-Americans oppose it with 44% in favor to 49% against. I would dearly love to address this comment to a few individuals here but I will not...still you know who you are right? Rest easy, you will not be required to marry a person of your same sex if gay marriage is legal. Will you be required to see gay people daily? Why yes you will just as you are now. Gay people are your neighbors, politicians, plumbers, police, pharmacists, family members, children, teachers, students.... Gay marriage being legal might undermine the institution of marriage that's true. But only because when your gay neighbor, family member, cop...whatever...manages to make a success of his or her marriage when you cannot is going to force people to reexamine just what marriage means. Straight people have crapped all over marriage with abuse, neglect, indifference and selfishness...you cannot argue that when looking at the divorce rate. Wouldn't it be grand to see people who crave the right to marry make a success at it? Oh...and wouldn't that really make you haters mad? (I don't think all gay marriage will work but if more than 50% did wouldn't that give gay marriage a better grounding than traditional marriage?) Hard to argue with common sense, but I am sure someone will. I think younger gays will probably not fair much better than straights with marriage, after all we learned from straights so we will make all the same mistakes in marriage that they do. I think, not absolutely sure of course. However older gays like myself probably will fair better because we and our partners have been together long enough to have weathered the pitfalls and marriage will just be a way to celebrate. |
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Funny...how some cry out in support of the Constitution from one side of their mouth while ripping it to pieces from the other. But...any way the wind blows eh? Umm and our founding fathers fears that the majority would trample all others...dare I once more mention the tyranny of the majority our founder mentioned more than once. But...if you insist on majority rule as you trumpeted it in California then take note in New York state the majority favors gay marriage. The new Siena poll in New York State shows that a majority of registered voters here favor legalizing gay marriage -- a push that currently has the support of Gov. David Paterson and others, but is not guaranteed passage in the state Senate. The numbers: 53% favor, 39% oppose, with a ±3.8% margin of error. The internals show all regions of the state (New York City, the suburbs and Upstate) support it by various margins. Among religious sub-groups, only 41% of Protestants favor it to 53% against, Jews favor it 64%-32% -- and Catholics favor it by a 49%-41% plurality. In the racial cross-tabs, Whites are in favor 56%-36%, Latinos are for it 57%-31%, and African-Americans oppose it with 44% in favor to 49% against. I would dearly love to address this comment to a few individuals here but I will not...still you know who you are right? Rest easy, you will not be required to marry a person of your same sex if gay marriage is legal. Will you be required to see gay people daily? Why yes you will just as you are now. Gay people are your neighbors, politicians, plumbers, police, pharmacists, family members, children, teachers, students.... Gay marriage being legal might undermine the institution of marriage that's true. But only because when your gay neighbor, family member, cop...whatever...manages to make a success of his or her marriage when you cannot is going to force people to reexamine just what marriage means. Straight people have crapped all over marriage with abuse, neglect, indifference and selfishness...you cannot argue that when looking at the divorce rate. Wouldn't it be grand to see people who crave the right to marry make a success at it? Oh...and wouldn't that really make you haters mad? (I don't think all gay marriage will work but if more than 50% did wouldn't that give gay marriage a better grounding than traditional marriage?) It's lovely to see how many times God is mentioned in the documents of our founding fathers and gay in not mentioned once.Despite what you say the majority of Americans are on my side.The whole gay movement was gaining speed in the last few years but is going down like the Titanic now.Two of the most un popular groups of people in America right now are liberals and gays.I sleep well knowing your causes are rarely won and your ideas are a dying breed.Enjoy your lime light while you can. |
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adj4u
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Maybe you need to check the voting records for the last 200 or so years.Show me where anyone won by a minority vote. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/prestrivia1.html Four Presidents won the popular vote but lost the presidency: Andrew Jackson won the popular vote but lost the election to John Quincy Adams (1824); Samuel J. Tilden won the popular vote but lost the election to Rutherford B. Hayes (1876); Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but lost the election to Benjamin Harrison (1888); Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election to George W. Bush (2000). maybe you need to study history a bit more like i said kinda proves majority rule is not the law of the land |
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Funny...how some cry out in support of the Constitution from one side of their mouth while ripping it to pieces from the other. But...any way the wind blows eh? Umm and our founding fathers fears that the majority would trample all others...dare I once more mention the tyranny of the majority our founder mentioned more than once. But...if you insist on majority rule as you trumpeted it in California then take note in New York state the majority favors gay marriage. The new Siena poll in New York State shows that a majority of registered voters here favor legalizing gay marriage -- a push that currently has the support of Gov. David Paterson and others, but is not guaranteed passage in the state Senate. The numbers: 53% favor, 39% oppose, with a ±3.8% margin of error. The internals show all regions of the state (New York City, the suburbs and Upstate) support it by various margins. Among religious sub-groups, only 41% of Protestants favor it to 53% against, Jews favor it 64%-32% -- and Catholics favor it by a 49%-41% plurality. In the racial cross-tabs, Whites are in favor 56%-36%, Latinos are for it 57%-31%, and African-Americans oppose it with 44% in favor to 49% against. I would dearly love to address this comment to a few individuals here but I will not...still you know who you are right? Rest easy, you will not be required to marry a person of your same sex if gay marriage is legal. Will you be required to see gay people daily? Why yes you will just as you are now. Gay people are your neighbors, politicians, plumbers, police, pharmacists, family members, children, teachers, students.... Gay marriage being legal might undermine the institution of marriage that's true. But only because when your gay neighbor, family member, cop...whatever...manages to make a success of his or her marriage when you cannot is going to force people to reexamine just what marriage means. Straight people have crapped all over marriage with abuse, neglect, indifference and selfishness...you cannot argue that when looking at the divorce rate. Wouldn't it be grand to see people who crave the right to marry make a success at it? Oh...and wouldn't that really make you haters mad? (I don't think all gay marriage will work but if more than 50% did wouldn't that give gay marriage a better grounding than traditional marriage?) It's lovely to see how many times God is mentioned in the documents of our founding fathers and gay in not mentioned once.Despite what you say the majority of Americans are on my side.The whole gay movement was gaining speed in the last few years but is going down like the Titanic now.Two of the most un popular groups of people in America right now are liberals and gays.I sleep well knowing your causes are rarely won and your ideas are a dying breed.Enjoy your lime light while you can. Wow, one really couldn't be much meaner, you know? Dying breed huh, interesting that in at least 2,000 years we have not died out. Not sure where you get your information from. Oh and Thanks, love being reminded how unpopular we are. Lucky for me that my christian neighbors don't agree with you at all. I figure out of the 15 neighbors i live next to, all straight and all christian who don't agree with you, you just might be wrong. If 15 neighbors in a drastically christian 'small town' don't agree with you, I have to think that you really are wrong. But even if you are rigth, I will live on despite your disgust and many many others will take my place when I am gone. Good luck with getting rid of us. |
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"It's lovely to see how many times God is mentioned in the documents of our founding fathers and gay in not mentioned once"
Get out the documents in question. If this country was intended to be a Christian nation ruled by the Christians in accordance with the Bible...why did the founders bother with a Constitution or a Bill of Rights? What it does not say is as telling as what it does say. Women aren't mentioned in the Constitution. Humm must be women are not entitled to rights. Gee...the unborn aren't mentioned once in the Constitution yet you would extend...logically in your mind anyway, the same rights to the unborn as you would to fully functioning citizens. Funny...imagine...reading a document then picking and choosing what to believe and support...ummm...much like so many do with scripture. Amazing really...I have to wonder how some people get through the day... |
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I quit trying to keep up with this thread anymore. I leave for work today and over eight hours this thing explodes with ten more pages. I NEED CLIP NOTES
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I quit trying to keep up with this thread anymore. I leave for work today and over eight hours this thing explodes with ten more pages. I NEED CLIP NOTES Yupper, this issue tends to get a lot of traffic. |
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I quit trying to keep up with this thread anymore. I leave for work today and over eight hours this thing explodes with ten more pages. I NEED CLIP NOTES Yupper, this issue tends to get a lot of traffic. I bet when I go pull my food out of the oven, come back, watch my anime episode for the week and sign back in, it will be 10 MORE PAGES LONG!
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I quit trying to keep up with this thread anymore. I leave for work today and over eight hours this thing explodes with ten more pages. I NEED CLIP NOTES Yupper, this issue tends to get a lot of traffic. I bet when I go pull my food out of the oven, come back, watch my anime episode for the week and sign back in, it will be 10 MORE PAGES LONG! Well it's been quite now for about a half hour at least, and I am exhausted from it and going to sleep, but maybe the the time I read it again it will, who knows. |
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But now you are generalizing about religions being good or bad, we are specifically talking about christianity because it Is the most vocal. See now this is the same type of mistake the Fanta keeps making when he refers to GLBT as it if were one cohesive group. There are Christian sects that have no problem. If you were reading my posts you may recall I mentioned one church here that was very vocally against prop 8. The US sect Episcopal church is very gay friendly. I know that, I said christianity because it was what me an Rose were talking about. I already know that not all groups with in christianity are against gays. Quit picking on me Davey!  I can't remember the last time I heard another religion so vocal on one specific topic. I agree there are many that think about gay marriage as you do, I am grateful for that, but you do realize you are in the minority on that right? You hear it because they are the most vocal not because they have such overwhelming numbers. Granted the majority have their issues particular where marriage is concerned but it is not nearly as omnipresent as you seem to think. I would love to believe that Davey, but actually when I watch religious tv and the news and the groups on the internet soliciting for members in huge numbers it is overwhelming to me. The church seems to want the public to believe they are in huge numbers, i tend to think they are right... who knows, I don't. The numbers are large, but more than large (worse in some geographic area's than others) they are vocal. As for the church stuff on TV I find them to often be the worst of the worst. And as for news well it's what I said before it's because they are the ones being most vocal. As Fanta mentioned there are entire branches of Christianity that accept gays as part of their ministry. Unfortunately they aren't as vocal about it as I think they should be. |
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But now you are generalizing about religions being good or bad, we are specifically talking about christianity because it Is the most vocal. See now this is the same type of mistake the Fanta keeps making when he refers to GLBT as it if were one cohesive group. There are Christian sects that have no problem. If you were reading my posts you may recall I mentioned one church here that was very vocally against prop 8. The US sect Episcopal church is very gay friendly. I know that, I said christianity because it was what me an Rose were talking about. I already know that not all groups with in christianity are against gays. Quit picking on me Davey! I can't remember the last time I heard another religion so vocal on one specific topic. I agree there are many that think about gay marriage as you do, I am grateful for that, but you do realize you are in the minority on that right? You hear it because they are the most vocal not because they have such overwhelming numbers. Granted the majority have their issues particular where marriage is concerned but it is not nearly as omnipresent as you seem to think. I would love to believe that Davey, but actually when I watch religious tv and the news and the groups on the internet soliciting for members in huge numbers it is overwhelming to me. The church seems to want the public to believe they are in huge numbers, i tend to think they are right... who knows, I don't. The numbers are large, but more than large (worse in some geographic area's than others) they are vocal. As for the church stuff on TV I find them to often be the worst of the worst. And as for news well it's what I said before it's because they are the ones being most vocal. As Fanta mentioned there are entire branches of Christianity that accept gays as part of their ministry. Unfortunately they aren't as vocal about it as I think they should be. Ya well they sure 'aren't' vocal about it because there is a church on every corner here and I would have no clue which one supports gays. Concidering where I am located in a small town probably none of them. Really doesn't matter to me at this point because I had my fill of religion and dogma for the most part. |
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