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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. You did say that unethical methods were ok if those using them deem the cause more important. That is a contradiction to your own words concerning the Bush Administrations policies, and that is hypocritical! Interesting... |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Nope. The gay and lesbians find a clergy who agrees. Sometimes pagan for example. I have attended the ceremonies. |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. You did say that unethical methods were ok if those using them deem the cause more important. That is a contradiction to your own words concerning the Bush Administrations policies, and that is hypocritical! Not even. Prove it. |
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Due to popular demand I feel a need to address something! The GLBT is an organization with members. They even have a historical web-site. When one, such as myself, talks about them they are not talking about every gay, lesbian, Bi-homosexual, or Transgender. They, me included are talking about an organization. IMO, an unethical organization whose methods for advancing the rights of G, L, B,& Ts has no boundaries or restraints. They will do anything no matter how reckless their methods are, or who, or what they hurt or destroy along the way. If, as a G, L, B, or T, you feel as though a debate about there lack of ethics is off limits or refers to all G, B, L, and T's then you are sadly mistaken. I am sure that not all G, B, L, and T's approve of such unethical and reckless methods they employ and as such would never think of joining or supporting such methods! If you are not a member then the debate about them should not concern your sensitivities. If you are a member I might suggest you rethink your membership and quit them, or become an active, non-complacent member and work to correct their Unethical and reckless methods. If you are a local group I might suggest you invent a new name and drop the association with the GLBT! When fighting oppression and discrimination, how can any form of battle be unethical? This is dangerous ground because it makes the legimate battle less valid. To say a few people in this world can be unethical is about as far as this statement can go without far reaching further oppression of the oppressed. To deny rights to a person because of their race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, economic status, etc... is oppression. It is a vital and unforgivable action committed in this country throughout it's history and to this day. Your command is my pleasure! 
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Wow, Driven, where did you get that from? The church can do anything likes, it's free to discriminate at will. Gays want the right to marry, not force churches to marry them. Although I think that if a church chooses to they probably have the right to, but I personally don't care. Why would I want to get married in an organization that has historically treated me like a disease.. |
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. This is also a myth created to continue discrimination and oppression. They make those programs because there are a shortage of those groups in that area. It is an incentive to get more opportunity out there. Until discrimination is obliterated in this country there will be a place for government intervention. And we are nowhere near there. LOL... Ok which part was the myth? I've taken classes with bank owners. This is what they say. My father used to talk with them, this is what they say. THE VA EVEN BRIEFED US ON THISZ!!! The guy briefing was black, mind you, according to him women have a much higher chance of getting a loan approved for business than disabled vets, let alone regular vets. You see...when you say you must employ and equal number of men/women/homosexuals/african americans/etc. you are discrimminating AGAINST whoever the MAJORITY of people in that area are. You do see that right? I say again, i am all for EQUAL RIGHTS. But that means there can be no legislation sactioning or condeming, gays, african americans caucasians, women, etc... The races, nor sexual orientation, or even gender, should be mentioned. Then, society must evolve. I can't force you to think christianity isn't evil. Just like you can't force Fanta to think being gay is genetic. |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Wow, Driven, where did you get that from? The church can do anything likes, it's free to discriminate at will. Gays want the right to marry, not force churches to marry them. Although I think that if a church chooses to they probably have the right to, but I personally don't care. Why would I want to get married in an organization that has historically treated me like a disease.. wrong...the church can't do anything it likes and they don't discriminate at will...maybe some people you know do....but most that i know are very welcoming. but just like anything they do have rights as well. everyone keeps talking about history....before my time while the OP talks about getting with the time's because they are changing |
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fanta used a specific group and it got personalized, but when i mentioned a generalization...i was wrong to do so because i made it personal??? maybe I'm open minded and don't like generalizations of any kind
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I keep hearing how christians did this or christians did that....have I oppressed anyone???? have i not said that everyone has the right to their beliefs???? have I not agreed with separating church and state???
if you don't get the hypocrisy by now...you never will |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Wow, Driven, where did you get that from? The church can do anything likes, it's free to discriminate at will. Gays want the right to marry, not force churches to marry them. Although I think that if a church chooses to they probably have the right to, but I personally don't care. Why would I want to get married in an organization that has historically treated me like a disease.. wrong...the church can't do anything it likes and they don't discriminate at will...maybe some people you know do....but most that i know are very welcoming. but just like anything they do have rights as well. everyone keeps talking about history....before my time while the OP talks about getting with the time's because they are changing Ok I'm wrong, churches love homosexuals. |
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 boo....every church that I know has welcomed people to visit or check them out. there are some that might not be as nice...but most i know are. but then again...that wasn't what I said wrong to
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. This is also a myth created to continue discrimination and oppression. They make those programs because there are a shortage of those groups in that area. It is an incentive to get more opportunity out there. Until discrimination is obliterated in this country there will be a place for government intervention. And we are nowhere near there. LOL... Ok which part was the myth? I've taken classes with bank owners. This is what they say. My father used to talk with them, this is what they say. THE VA EVEN BRIEFED US ON THISZ!!! The guy briefing was black, mind you, according to him women have a much higher chance of getting a loan approved for business than disabled vets, let alone regular vets. You see...when you say you must employ and equal number of men/women/homosexuals/african americans/etc. you are discrimminating AGAINST whoever the MAJORITY of people in that area are. You do see that right? I say again, i am all for EQUAL RIGHTS. But that means there can be no legislation sactioning or condeming, gays, african americans caucasians, women, etc... The races, nor sexual orientation, or even gender, should be mentioned. Then, society must evolve. I can't force you to think christianity isn't evil. Just like you can't force Fanta to think being gay is genetic. Force is only necessary when rights are violated. No rights are violated by my opinion that religion should be kept in check. No rights are violated by encouraging women who are a minority in most of these loans to take out a loan for a business. No rights would be violated if all adults who are of mental coherancy were allowed to love and express that love by marriage. |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Wow, Driven, where did you get that from? The church can do anything likes, it's free to discriminate at will. Gays want the right to marry, not force churches to marry them. Although I think that if a church chooses to they probably have the right to, but I personally don't care. Why would I want to get married in an organization that has historically treated me like a disease.. wrong...the church can't do anything it likes and they don't discriminate at will...maybe some people you know do....but most that i know are very welcoming. but just like anything they do have rights as well. everyone keeps talking about history....before my time while the OP talks about getting with the time's because they are changing Ok I'm wrong, churches love homosexuals. They "love" you but you will have to conform to recieve the full acceptance since you are hell bound otherwise. Oh the Judgements..... |
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tell ya what....the next time you feel judged or anything by christians....use these
John 8:7 Matthew 7:1 Matthew 10:14 that is what they should understand this is what the christians I know go by the most |
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Besides dragoness...i'm not against gay marriage. What i am against are gays trying to force churches to abide by this. I personally think that civil unions, whether it be gay or straight, should be recognized by only the state. Call it whatever you want. But they shouldn't be allowed to forced churches to perform these ceremonies. And besides, didn't you see me mention that i am all about everyone getting treated equally? Who said anything about "forcing churches to go along with it"? I have yet to see that "forcing" in all of this. Well....would the churches have to wed these people against the church's will? Not sure how this legal process is even handled... Wow, Driven, where did you get that from? The church can do anything likes, it's free to discriminate at will. Gays want the right to marry, not force churches to marry them. Although I think that if a church chooses to they probably have the right to, but I personally don't care. Why would I want to get married in an organization that has historically treated me like a disease.. Ok, this is why i asked the question instead of giving an answer. |
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fanta used a specific group and it got personalized, but when i mentioned a generalization...i was wrong to do so because i made it personal??? maybe I'm open minded and don't like generalizations of any kind
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churches aren't bound to marry people any more than a priestess or rabbi, etc
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. This is also a myth created to continue discrimination and oppression. They make those programs because there are a shortage of those groups in that area. It is an incentive to get more opportunity out there. Until discrimination is obliterated in this country there will be a place for government intervention. And we are nowhere near there. LOL... Ok which part was the myth? I've taken classes with bank owners. This is what they say. My father used to talk with them, this is what they say. THE VA EVEN BRIEFED US ON THISZ!!! The guy briefing was black, mind you, according to him women have a much higher chance of getting a loan approved for business than disabled vets, let alone regular vets. You see...when you say you must employ and equal number of men/women/homosexuals/african americans/etc. you are discrimminating AGAINST whoever the MAJORITY of people in that area are. You do see that right? I say again, i am all for EQUAL RIGHTS. But that means there can be no legislation sactioning or condeming, gays, african americans caucasians, women, etc... The races, nor sexual orientation, or even gender, should be mentioned. Then, society must evolve. I can't force you to think christianity isn't evil. Just like you can't force Fanta to think being gay is genetic. Too bad the government has to get involved because society cannot let go of the ignorancy of discriminating and oppressing a group of people. And it is as it should be until society evolves into enlightenment. |
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who's enlightenment dragoness???? yours??? mine??? who??? everyone has the right to their beliefs and opinions as long as laws aren't broken. the KKK has a right to believe as they wish even if I disagree with what they believe in. I have a right to believe even if it is something you disagree with
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I didnt come into this thread to debate homosexual behavior. I think everyone knows my beliefs on that subject. Still I could really careless if they marry or not. I came into this thread to debate the unethical, controversial, reckless, and hypocritical methods used by the GLBT. An organization! I will admit i know nothing about the organization. But what i have seen is affirmative action taken to an extreme where it is easier for a woman or african american to get a business loan than a caucasian man, for instance. In SOME cases things do get pushed a bit too far. I do emphasize SOME. This reminds me of a song by Creed called "One" "Affirmative may be justified take from one give to another The goal is to be unified take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat sliding further into regression Chorus: One oh One the only way is One One oh One the only way is One I feel angry I feel helpless, wanna change the world yeah.. I feel violent I feel alone, don't try and change my mind no.. Society blind by color why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides seeds of hate blossom further The world is headed for mutiny, when all we want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end we meet our fate together" I love the general message they were trying to send. I'm all about equal rights. Humans get treated the same professionally and get governed the same. This is also a myth created to continue discrimination and oppression. They make those programs because there are a shortage of those groups in that area. It is an incentive to get more opportunity out there. Until discrimination is obliterated in this country there will be a place for government intervention. And we are nowhere near there. LOL... Ok which part was the myth? I've taken classes with bank owners. This is what they say. My father used to talk with them, this is what they say. THE VA EVEN BRIEFED US ON THISZ!!! The guy briefing was black, mind you, according to him women have a much higher chance of getting a loan approved for business than disabled vets, let alone regular vets. You see...when you say you must employ and equal number of men/women/homosexuals/african americans/etc. you are discrimminating AGAINST whoever the MAJORITY of people in that area are. You do see that right? I say again, i am all for EQUAL RIGHTS. But that means there can be no legislation sactioning or condeming, gays, african americans caucasians, women, etc... The races, nor sexual orientation, or even gender, should be mentioned. Then, society must evolve. I can't force you to think christianity isn't evil. Just like you can't force Fanta to think being gay is genetic. Force is only necessary when rights are violated. No rights are violated by my opinion that religion should be kept in check. No rights are violated by encouraging women who are a minority in most of these loans to take out a loan for a business. No rights would be violated if all adults who are of mental coherancy were allowed to love and express that love by marriage. This depends on what your definition of "being kept in check"... Actually....if someone turns a man down for a loan and gives it to a less qualified woman, then the man's rights have been violated. And....again, i am not against marriage, of anyone. |
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