No True Scotsman

You obviously need to read more of the New Testament.

What does that have to do with this discussion? Okay I have a bible in front of me right now. I am flipping through.

you're like a broken record...


That expression is in error as well as it applies to Scotsmen and not those with beliefs.


If you're born in Scotland, you're a Scotsman, if you weren't, you aren't...


If you submit to Christ, you're a Christian, if you don't, you aren't...


Good grief...


twist things anyway you like, but you can only fool a fool Krimsa...

I found this thus far.

Matthew 8

8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Every time ANY one of you attempts to blame Adolph Hitler on someone else or the Crusades or Rwanda, you will get an earful of historical reality. That is my solemn promise to you until I die or get banned.




That expression could not be more accurate.




You dont even know what the "No True Scotsman" fallacy is. It’s when you attempt to say that "no true so and so" will do this or that yet the definition of the so and so is totally subjective and based entirely on who or what the person making the claim has determined in that point in time.



And Catholics do not submit to Christ?

Again, if you SUBMIT to Christ, you're a Christian, if you don't, you arent...

Hitler did NOT submit to Christ!


It's not a subjective thing!

Separation from God is a awful thing. In this life you choose whether you will say Lord thy will be done, or Lord my will be done. If you choose to reject him now, He will reject you later.

Hitler was a Darwinist, as well as many other things.
Yes catholics submit to Christ.

That has been refuted a dozen pages over. The ball is in your court if you want to attempt to cling to that erroneous Christian assertion at this point.

So now you admit that Hitler was a Catholic and therefore a valid Christian?

You can call yourself anything you like, but unless your deeds and your actions match up, you are not what you call yourself.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits"

Jeaniebean's standard reply:

“The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.”

The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin, first printed in the United States in 1979.

No true scotsman

All you are saying here is that unless the final product is "good" in your opinion, they are not true Christians. That is the argument that an 8 year old would make.

Matthew 7:15

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."


Plain and simple...

No True Scotsman


Why then was the German Christian population so smitten with Hitler then? Why did they wantonly choose to put him into power? It probably had nothing to do with the fact that he pitted the Christian German population against the Jews did it?

They chose to disregard Matthew 7:15 though 20


Disregarding Christ's teachings and instruction in your allowances or actions is the definition of "un-Christian" like behavior.

They bare culpability along with Hitler, inspite of their claims to be Chistian.

I can answer that as I learned it from a German woman who lived in that time during Hitler's reign.

Hitler was their Hero. The corrupt sect of Jews (not the religious ones) were taking over Germany. The Germans were treated poorly and were mostly poor and working for the rich Jews as servants.

When Hitler invaded Austria, he got rid of a cruel dictator and he was a hero of the German people there too.

Not all who call themselves "Jews" are truly of the Jewish faith or even Semitic Jews by blood.

The Bible even speaks of those who "claim to be Jews but are not; and are the synagogue of Satan."

This is not metaphoric. This is a literal clue as to what is going on inside the "Jewish" population.

Semitic religious Jews are the ones who are betrayed and persecuted, and the other Jews are the ones responsible for it.

They have been called also "The sons of Cain." Offspring of Satan. But they have the blood of the fallen angels who mated with human women in their veins.

So according to Allen Aqua, the entire German population were idiots or fake Christians.

What about Christians who work for the good of humanity? Catholic charities etc...Let me guess your response. They are all "true Christians?"

This reminds me of an argument I had in second grade with a class mate.

....But the reality of Hitler is that he was manipulated by the very sons of Cain who wanted the Semitic Jews annihilated forever, leaving them the only "Jews" left.

Since Ceasar, the Rabi's and Jewish leaders have been corrupt and have been working to destroy the true Jewish population. That is why it appears that Jews are so persecuted.

There are very few Semitic Jews left. (They are the true son's of Adam, and the true "chosen" people who were meant to upgrade the human population of the earth.)

This is very true what you say. One must also remember that Germany had lost a World War and the economy was weak. People where hungry and there was no work to be found. The German Jews who spoke Yiddish had work, but didn't hire Germans who didn't practice their faith.

Hitler after completing his apprenticeship also couldn't find work either and it had discouraged him very much leading to write the book "Mein Kampf."

The political parties SPD and CDU didn't have solutions for their people at the time to recover the economy and that is how Hitler's ideas motivated the people to do something about it.

He mentioned how the country needs to be reconstructed by creating the Autobahn, new buildings, factories, as of other things. This helped the people have work again and food on their table.

Little did the people know what his true intentions where and that is to make Germany a country of world supremacy, but he knew in order to do that he would have to find the trust in the people in the beginning. Once in power he knew that he only needed to raise his hand and all will obey him.


and that he did and when he invaded Poland the people where concerned and he then changed many laws to keep his reign in power. All who didn't obey him would be shot on the spot or taken away from a SS guard.

It became to the point if you didn't say "Heil Hitler" you would be a betrayer and sent to prison if you are lucky.

in the end any who seek world supremacy usually fail as it gets out of control to handle.

It was a great lesson for Germany and hopefully the world.

Consider it lucky that Japan attack Pearl Harbor to get the United States involved in fighting the Germans who were concentrating most of their forces in Russia at the time.

The Japanese where suppose to attack Russia from the East to meet with the Germans. They didn't do this as Hitler's Generals had intended.

yet despite this lesson it seems that the wars continue on this planet. It seems humans will never get along with each other, but there is hope many say and their is practice of patience in educating the benefits of peace.