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Topic: Atheism Weak or Strong
Inkracer Joined Tue 12/16/08 Posts: 881	Sun 01/25/09 05:49 PM
You will never admit it but your wrong.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 01/25/09 05:53 PM
ugh somebody needs to share some of that punch with me so i can quit thinking... (kidding)

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 01/25/09 07:03 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 01/25/09 07:08 PM
A "Christian" is anyone who buys into the story in the New Testament and hails Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah. You do not have to be "born again" to be a "Christian" There are Christians and there are "Born again Christians." I am very sorry to say this, but there is a certain stigma attached to the phrase "born again Christian" I have to be honest here, that stigma is: "NUTS!" Like vacuum cleaner salesmen, Mary Kay freaks, Moonies, Jehovah's witnesses, when someone says that someone is a "born again" Christian, people tend to run the other way because it means that this person is insane, in perpetual rapture, hyped up, hypnotized, brainwashed and programed or seeming on some sort of drug. That is the hard core truth, from the High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal truth and honesty. I wish I could save you Morningsong, but you are a lost cause where clear thinking is concerned. You can only save yourself at this point. Come back to reality. I think you might be a nice person if you could return to reality.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 01/25/09 08:02 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/25/09 08:03 PM
Besides MS, Hitler was a Catholic. They aren’t Born Agains but they believe in the same God and Jesus of course. I don’t think they had Born Again in 1930s Germany but Germany was the most heavily Christianized country in all of Europe back then.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 01/25/09 08:12 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/25/09 08:15 PM
agree with Ruse that Hitler’s ideology was not built solely on Darwinism. Nonetheless, Ruse does not seem to realize that Darwinism was a central, guiding principle of Nazi ideology, especially of Hitler’s own world view. Richard Evans, historian at Cambridge University, has explained, "The real core of Nazi beliefs lay in the faith Hitler proclaimed in his speech of September 1938 in science—a Nazi view of science—as the basis for action. Science demanded the furtherance of the interests not of God but of the human race, and above all the German race and its future in a world ruled by ineluctable laws of Darwinian competition between races and between individuals." This is not a controversial claim by anti-evolutionists, but it is commonly recognized by scholars who study Nazism. Richard Weikart is professor of history at California State University, Stanislaus, and author of From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany. You will never admit it but your wrong. I’m not wrong because first of all, none of this information you ever post has direct quotes from Adolph Hitler. It’s always a lot of conjecture from Christians who are trying desperately to blame him on someone else and distance themselves from the stench. All you need to do is pick up a copy of Mein Kampf which was dictated by him. He never once mentioned Darwin or even evolution. He was not very sophisticated. He always spoke in terms of biblical "bloodlines." Get real here.

monkey127z Joined Sat 01/17/09 Posts: 531	Sun 01/25/09 08:19 PM
i like you krisma - i like your consistency no matter what anyone says - you're always on the other side of the fence

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 01/25/09 08:22 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/25/09 08:26 PM
No, it’s just this Hitler thing is annoying. He was a catholic. That’s dead in the water and also this thing about "this country being founded on Christian morality." Those kinds of statements are just asking for arguments. I dont even remember a time when it was debated that Hitler was a catholic. This must all be new Evangelical propaganda Im guessing. I dont know.

monkey127z Joined Sat 01/17/09 Posts: 531	Sun 01/25/09 08:31 PM
actually - i'm surprised you take the time to actually combat all this copy-paste gibberish.... unfortunately - i doubt this thread's greatest "copy-pasters" actually take the time to read some of the more logical posts and actually 'think' for themselves... regardless - keep fighting the good fight =o)

Inkracer Joined Tue 12/16/08 Posts: 881	Sun 01/25/09 08:41 PM
actually - i'm surprised you take the time to actually combat all this copy-paste gibberish.... unfortunately - i doubt this thread's greatest "copy-pasters" actually take the time to read some of the more logical posts and actually 'think' for themselves... regardless - keep fighting the good fight =o) It is really sad that there are people, who just "copy-paste" things that support their own thinking, and not really think about what is being said, other than the simple "Us against Them" mentality. Even though I am Atheist, I have many friends who are different faiths, and I am been able to sit down with them, and actually have a constructive conversation about religion. And still be friends afterward. Yes, the fighting does get old(even for someone as feisty as myself) But, IMO, It is all worth it when you have people, of different faiths and belief systems, who you can have a nice open discussion with.

Yamin Joined Tue 11/11/08 Posts: 181	Sun 01/25/09 09:11 PM
But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsover!!!!!!!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! And, since you are nothing more then a mortal person, who are you to decide what "god" deems to be "True" religion? God is NOT about RELIGION. Or even INTERESTED in man's Religions!!! RELIGION IS MAN MADE. God wants RELATIONSHIP with Us... NOt Religion!!!!! Christianity is about RELATIONSHIP.... back with God...NOT about Religion!!! Christianity is NOT about Religion.. and was never MEANT to be turned into a RELIGION. MAN DID THIS!!! TRUE Christianity is about Salvation... and Relationship back with God!!! RELATIONSHIP!!! NOT RELIGION!!! Have covered this REPEATEDLY on here......... there should be no need to have to keep repeating this. X-tianity is a false pagan religion. Have repeated this many times. There was no such thing as X-tianity when Yahushua lived because they all read from the Torah. He did not teach X-tianity and neither did His taught ones. They all kept Torah and taught Torah not X-tianity. X-tianity is a man made religion. The Sun-worshippers made X-tianity up. It's pagan. When will you get this. Yamin

Drew07_2 Joined Thu 09/20/07 Posts: 716	Sun 01/25/09 11:33 PM
at least i got u to thinking..Blessings..Miles Sorry miles you don't get the credit for that. LMAO

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 01/26/09 03:39 AM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 01/26/09 03:44 AM
actually - i'm surprised you take the time to actually combat all this copy-paste gibberish.... unfortunately - i doubt this thread's greatest "copy-pasters" actually take the time to read some of the more logical posts and actually 'think' for themselves... regardless - keep fighting the good fight =o) It is really sad that there are people, who just "copy-paste" things that support their own thinking, and not really think about what is being said, other than the simple "Us against Them" mentality. Even though I am Atheist, I have many friends who are different faiths, and I am been able to sit down with them, and actually have a constructive conversation about religion. And still be friends afterward. Yes, the fighting does get old(even for someone as feisty as myself) But, IMO, It is all worth it when you have people, of different faiths and belief systems, who you can have a nice open discussion with. Well to be fair here, I copy and paste a lot of information also about Hitler. The reason I have to do that is many historical sites are using his direct quotes. Everything that the Christians have posted does not use his quotes because Hitler's direct words spoke of "The Lord" and doing the "work of the lord". It would not be advantageous for them to use his statements verbatim. Case in point. Taken from a speech. My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. Adolph Hitler

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 04:28 AM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/26/09 05:12 AM
Well Krimsa....IF you STILL think Hitler was a CHRISTIAN, after just sharing what you just shared above ......... which btw, CLEARLY reveals his TWISTED LOGIC and thinking on scriptures..... well... then I am sorry. Christians do NOT believe Jews are posion, for one !!! In other words....... what and how CHRISTIANS believe , has NO SEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER , to Hitler's TWISTED thinking and MIS-USE of Scripture..... all done for his GAIN!!! The man was SICK Krimsa!! A MADMAN!!! Hello???!!! Krimsa, I sincerely pray this is finally UNDERSTOOD by You !!! At last. ps.....the devil quotes scripture too, Krimsa. And also believes in Jesus!! And trembles!! Now...does that make the devil a christian?!! Of course not. One has to ALSO RECIEVE JESUS INTO HIS/HER HEART.... IN ORDER TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!!!

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 05:01 AM
Besides MS, Hitler was a Catholic. They aren’t Born Agains but they believe in the same God and Jesus of course. I don’t think they had Born Again in 1930s Germany but Germany was the most heavily Christianized country in all of Europe back then. Krimsa..... ACCEPTING Christ into one's heart... is what makes One a CHRISTIAN.....or in other words.....BORN AGAIN !!!! Belonging to..or joining a denomination...is NOT what makes one a Christian!!! My cousin is catholic...and has also accepted christ into his heart!!! So he is born again christian ..yet still goes to the catholic church. BUT....by the same token.... one can go to a catholic church, and NOT be born again at all...... until that person has accepted Christ into his/her hert. Same goes for baptist, pentacostal, methodist, nondenominational, whatever..... as long as one has accepted Christ, THAT is what makes a person born again.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 01/26/09 05:25 AM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 01/26/09 06:08 AM
Well Krimsa....IF you STILL think Hitler was a CHRISTIAN, Yes I do. There has been no evidence provided thus far that would legitimately prompt me to reach any other conclusion. Yes, there have been posts made to the effect that Hitler was not a Christian however I ask the question AGAIN. Why is it that ALL of my evidence is peppered with actual quotes made by Adolph Hitler and the opposing viewpoint is all based in conjecture? That is the one clear distinction that someone would need to make if they were viewing our positions objectively. You can claim all you want that "I am biased". I will simply say that you are biased.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 06:14 AM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/26/09 06:17 AM
Well Krimsa....IF you STILL think Hitler was a CHRISTIAN, Yes I do. There is nothing to be gained, in discussing this any further .

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 06:21 AM
Well Krimsa....IF you STILL think Hitler was a CHRISTIAN, Yes I do. There has been no evidence provided thus far that would legitimately prompt me to reach any other conclusion. Yes, there have been posts made to the effect that Hitler was not a Christian however I ask the question AGAIN. Why is it that ALL of my evidence is peppered with actual quotes made by Adolph Hitler and the opposing viewpoint is all based in conjecture? That is the one clear distinction that someone would need to make if they were viewing our positions objectively. You can claim all you want that "I am biased". I will simply say that you are biased. Like I said, the devil can quote scripture too. I give up.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 01/26/09 06:25 AM
I edited the post in case you did not notice. I will also continue to use Hitler as yet another example of how Christianity has been used to justify and condone atrocities committed in the name of "god." The god himself as sanctified and demanded the murder of heathen and nonbelievers throughout the Old Testament. These should serve as bitter reminders. It is also a firm argument made by many (if not all) Atheists.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 06:37 AM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/26/09 06:40 AM
I edited the post in case you did not notice. I will also continue to use Hitler as yet another example of how Christianity has been used to justify and condone atrocities committed in the name of "god." The god himself as sanctified and demanded the murder of heathen and nonbelievers throughout the Old Testament. These should serve as bitter reminders. It is also a firm argument made by many (if not all) Atheists. YOU WROTE ABOVE: HOW CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN USED!!!!! YES!!!! USED !!!!! EXACTLY !!! USED BY EVIL MEN!!! AND TWISTED!!! WHICH THEREFORE MEANS..... THAT WHAT HITLER DID IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY.... WAS NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT CHRISTIANITY WAS TRULY ALL ABOUT.... AT ALL !!!!! IS THIS FINALLY CLEAR NOW?

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/26/09 06:44 AM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/26/09 06:48 AM
A "Christian" is anyone who buys into the story in the New Testament and hails Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah. You do not have to be "born again" to be a "Christian" There are Christians and there are "Born again Christians." SORRY..... INCORRECT INFO YOU SHARED THERE ,JEANNIE .... ABOUT WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS!!! I ALREADY COVERED MANY MANY MANY TIMES.... WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS..AND WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS NOT .... AND AM NOT GOING THERE AGAIN.