And Now.....in conclusion...

the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been told to you now.

You have all heard.


Whether you receive it now....

or reject it now...is left up to you now.


All has been said...that needed to be said.

There's no need to say anymore.

What You do with it, , is entirely up to you now.

Be Blessed Everyone...Take Care Now.

That's what happens with faith everybody thinks their way is the right way, Hitler thought his was the right way because of how he understood the writings written by other people.

Who is to say that what we see and understand of the writings is good or bad. You can take a paragraph and give to a thousand people and you will have a lot of different opinion on what it might mean and then you have the ones that do not even try to understand what it means but just believe what others will say it means.

I think that when you want something to mean a certain thing you will always find a reason and a way to explain it to your own satisfaction so to justify what you believe.

And as stated before, try explaining that in the wake of 11 million dead. Okay I have another example for you.

Have you seen the Rwanda movie? Do you know that a substantial number of priests, nuns and even Bishops were indicted and a great many were convicted (by war crimes tribunals) for being directly responsible for the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocent Tutsis? Many clergy turned over those who had taken shelter in their churches to the machetes of the Hutu militia. The hatred and division between the Hutus and Tutsis was propagated by the missionaries as favorable for their objectives of conversion to Christianity.

One priest even burned down his own church to kill hundreds of Tutsis who had taken sanctuary there. Two priests were sentenced to death in 1998 for their roles in this genocide and two Benedictine nuns who supplied gasoline for the burning of Tutsi civilians sheltered in their church fled to Belgium where they were later convicted of complicity to murder.

“Sister Maria Kisito, who received 12 years, and her Mother Superior, Sister Gertrude, who received 15 years, were convicted of aiding in the slaughter of some 7,000 people who sought refuge at their convent in southern Rwanda. Prosecutors argued that they called in Hutu militiamen to drive people out of the convent knowing they would be killed, and later provided gasoline that militiamen used to set fire to a garage in which about 500 Tutsis had taken refuge.” (Washington Post, June 9, 2001)

Of course the Catholic Church has claimed their clergy were acting independently of the church, even though much of the most notable genocide occurred in churches and it is well known that the church's policy has been for centuries to divide and convert, to sew dissention between ethnic groups and then move in and take advantage of the chaos to offer Christian solace and conversion.

In the end nearly one million civilians were butchered.

Okay so were they "Fake Christians" Morning Song? Where does it end? When do Christians take some responsibility for these atrocities past or present?

I agree with you there and that point has been made a few times now. I could take 12 Christians from these forums right now and stick them in a room together and show them passages from the bible and ask them to tell me what those versus mean to them.

I will bet you $100 that they will argue and disagree on the interpretation of identical passages taken from scripture.

So that’s why I find this "Hitler was a fake Christian" argument just silly in all honesty.

If you accept that then you would need to also accuse the entire German Christian population of being idiots because they surely could not tell that Hitler was merely playing at being a Catholic. It’s absurd.

It's not analogous.

Let's approach the problem this way:

There are Catholics who are christains - but not all Catholics are christains.

Not all Christains are Catholics.

Do you agree with these premises?

Eljay said:



A blind deaf/mute could see the analogy present.

And what exactly is that "evidence"?

Do you agree that these Catholics in Rwanda were responsible for the murder of these innocent Tutsis? Or on every single example I site are you going to claim they are ":not true Christians."? Thats where it becomes ridiculous. Do you not see this?

Just curious.
How can a Catholic not be a Christian?

Actually - you do. At least acording to Jesus you do.



Only in the secular perception. In biblical terms there is no difference between the terms.



It matters not what the perception of "born again" conjures up - the fact of the matter is, if someone claims to be a christain, they are one because they are born again. Else - they are not a christain.

It's not analogous.

Just answer the question. Can't you respond to a question without asking questions which don't relate?

How is it non analogous?

A catholic believes in Jesus and the god of the bible. In my mind, they are merely a separate denomination of Christianity. Now answer my question.

Just being born a Catholic does not make one a christian. For example - Hitler was a Catholic.
He was not a christain.

Because you are either born a Scotsman or you're not.

You make a decision to become a christain.

The two terms are not related. It's called the fallacy of the shifting middle to assume your analogy is correct. It's not.

This is according to you and other "Born again" Christians who like to distinguish themselves from others and wash your hands of the dirty deeds and bloody foundations of the church that calls itself Christianity.

If you want separation from the church and "religiosity" then you should think of some other name besides "Christian."

Just follow the teachings of Love as Jesus taught and stop fighting battles for the multitudes of fake Christians.

Hitler was a Catholic. To me, and I suspect many people, that would make him a Christian.

Just "believing in Jesus" is not what makes one a christain.

So what you are telling me is that all Catholics are christians - according to you.

If so - what is it that makes them a christian - because they were born into a Catholic family?