You're right. There's nothing wrong with being called a lady.
It's the way he said it.

People murder for money even when they aren't buying drugs with it, does that make money inherently evil? People get killed in car jackings so cars are bad now? Murder for any reason is wrong. There are millions of people in the world who smoke pot, some of them are responsible some of them aren't and some are absolute scumbags. In amsterdam MJ is decriminalized, they have coffee shops that sell weed, they also have a lower murder rate than the US. Same with Canada. People in Philly have been killed over such menial things as an ipod or sneakers that doesn't make ipods or sneakers bad. It makes the person bad.

There are corrupt prison guards out there, so should I assume everyone who works for a prison is corrupt or should I just acknowledge there are both good and bad folk from all walks of life.

Researchers have found that 42% of americans that they surveyed have tried pot, you can't convince me that 42% of americans are evil murderers.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html

"People murder for money even when they aren't buying drugs with it, does that make money inherently evil? People get killed in car jackings so cars are bad now? Murder for any reason is wrong. There are millions of people in the world who smoke pot, some of them are responsible some of them aren't and some are absolute scumbags. In amsterdam MJ is decriminalized, they have coffee shops that sell weed, they also have a lower murder rate than the US. Same with Canada. People in Philly have been killed over such menial things as an ipod or sneakers that doesn't make ipods or sneakers bad. It makes the person bad.

There are corrupt prison guards out there, so should I assume everyone who works for a prison is corrupt or should I just acknowledge there are both good and bad folk from all walks of life.

Researchers have found that 42% of americans that they surveyed have tried pot, you can't convince me that 42% of americans are evil murderers.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html"


I agree with the majority of your points. My major point is that there are personalities that are addictive and cannot handle the drug, whether it be pot, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever, but that personality gets "hooked" and can't stop. Some people can drink alcohol on a daily basis and do not become alcoholics, they can stop whenever they want, their bodies/minds do not become addicted. Some people can smoke cigarettes and start and stop at will, and others are addicted for life and fight to get off them but are virtually powerless in their battle to quit. Same with drugs, people say that pot does not lead you to stronger drugs, I have personally known a few people that it did take to hard drugs, again, their personalities wanted the bigger high, weren't happy with just the pot. Two of those people are dead now, one got high on drugs and crashed his Harley at a high rate of speed, the other one OD'ed on drugs.

I "suppose" it is safe for most people, but as a parent I am not willing to risk my child's life by telling them it is okay to get high. For my daughter it was not, she is one of the addictive personalities, we found out the hard way. I just think from the comments I have read in this thread there is a real cavalier attitude about it, and that worries/scares me after what I have been through with my own daughter. I know the hell I went through, and it was pure hell, believe me, emotional hell, financial hell - it was a nightmare!!!! I would hate to have anyone else have to go through it, but other parents will, IF their child has that type of personality and the parents give them the "green light" on drug use.

Okay, I will shut up, again. You are obviously very well read and intelligent, and I understand what you are saying. I hope you understand where I am coming from. Take care.

Drugs are not good, no drug is...beit Tyenol or Nyquil, they all have side effects and some can kill you. Marijuana is safer than the two I mentioned, according to L.D. 50. Some people kill for their fix, but I can guarantee they are not killing to get their "fix" of marijuana. Beating a dead horse is not helping you reinforce your point, so for the sake of argument...did they by chance mention what drugs he bought?

I don't like the fact that people get murdered any more than the next person, but people get killed for far stupider things than that everyday. No amount of law will change that, and restrictions placed on things only leads to more violence...as is apparent by the U.S.'s ever increasing violent crime rate and deaths comitted with a deadly weapon. We are probably the most strict when it comes to crimes with drugs, and yet the violence isn't going down...so much for your laws.

I totally understand and respect your position on the matter. Some people need to avoid certain things. I just don't think it's the government's place to tell me I can't do something when I'm a productive member of society who simply enjoys to puff every once in awhile. I try to smoke in moderation...well more like binge and purge I guess lol. I have noticed that if I have pot around all the time I end up smoking more everyday and it's expensive. So instead of getting an ounce at a time (like I used to) I'll only get 1/8th (which lasts 1-2 weeks because I usually only smoke a little in the evenings after work and my responsibilities are done). Then I'll go a week or 2 without smoking at all.

If anything I wish I had never started smoking cigs, that's probably the biggest regret I've had. I've tried quitting, and probably going to try again soon. Compared to cigs, it's a cinch for me to go without pot.

OH...Dear Winx, ...I understand... I didn't hear the context in which it was said ...


but i agree ...


People's vibes can come up pretty darn loud and clear up off the post...

just a thought

Mmmmmm indeed. I always said drugs are substances that need manipulation of any sort, whether its compressing, addition of elements, etc. This just is... as God intended: natural, very versatile (gotta love hemp, dont get me started) and simply delicious. They say six is the devil, seven is heaven.... hmmm how many leaves do I see...

Big respect to geektothetenth (You are SuperGeek in my book - its a good thing) and Fear&Loathing.

But again...we are talking about kids...not adults

neither is good for KIDS. I don't care what's "not as bad" as what....because none are good for kids. I really don't give a rat's behind what adults want....this is about kids

I wonder if a cop or a judge would buy the defense that "mom and dad said it was ok for me to pick and chose what laws I like"

For what its worth, my children are 27, 26 and 21. My 21 year old son uses pot to help him calm down and focus, so he can work. He has no insurance, so he can not afford to go to the doctor or the medicine that is required to help him calm down and focus. Which the medicine is also a drug. Which for him, had more bad side effects than the pot.

with all due respect...you kids are also adults so if they are in Ohio...then they take the risk of the law

Which is why more needs to be done to change the laws. It is because of the law that makes its possible for shady characters to sell. Give a person options and they wont choose the alley-way. It is because of the law that 60% of people in jail are non-violent "pot offenders," with jails at maximum capacity yet occupancy majority being non-violent "criminals," labeled criminals for having a natural part of this world and not manufactured and manipulated like cocaine, crack, heroine, ecstacy, LSD, etc. It is the law that has law enforcement wasting time, resources and energy busting kids when there is real crime out there. If we had legalization like alcohol with similar laws both for growers and stores... nobody would goto a dealer when they can get it safely and guaranteed quality and quantity. There might actually be less smokers because of the way kids think about disobeying authority which to (most of) them relates to being cool. Understood... the law is not such right now... and we must all face the consequences of living a free life when others say you cant. When pot was made illegal, it was because of lies and fear that was spread throughout the country, and even with a lil bribe of the pope. Government doesnt want weed legal because it would be too hard to monopolize yet would be cheaper to replace a lot of items such as paper, clothing, oil, medicine, etc. If what it comes down to is the law, I have no respect whatsoever. If its a belief (not related to the law), I am totally cool with this. Yes, kids should not be doing it, but they will so lets educate them, lets support them (for who they are, not for smoking) and give them what they need to thrive (not necessarily weed). The law used to prohibit blacks from sitting in the front of a bus... or allowed slavery to exist. The holocaust did not happen because the german people approved... they were indifferent. They accepted what somebody else forced upon them and just said 'well thats all we can do.' I dont see anything adult about that, and I have a tremendous amount of love for the people who seek justice and equality, which is not the case with cannibus. I started smoking at 11.... too young, even to this day I wish I had waited, but it still created a path to my current state of mind. People say 18 you're an adult, you can smoke deadly tabacco, pollute the mind with pornography legally, and risk your life in war, but you cant have a beer. ****ing stupid. 16 a person is on the first step to adulthood, but I would support a law allowing it at 18. Kids should not smoke anything, they should not have access and ability to damage themselves... but they do, they can, and they will. So stop blaming a natural lifeform and blame the media, the laws and commercialism that gives us addiction, that tells us what to do and what to think. If you really want weed to not be a danger to your kids, then regulate it legally. If you dont want to do this, then your words of concern mean nothing because nothing will change with bitter, fearful, and unproductive words.

Find a solution, and stop pointing fingers.

I have no problem changing the laws to legalize it as long as there are limits like alcohol and cigarettes. kids have no business with it. But as of right now...it is illegal and only 13 states allow medicinal marijuana, but keep in mind...the facts aren't all the same on all people...even for pain use

Agreed, and I have seen your inner beauty. I know your heart is in the right place and I agree that anything - fireworks, drugs, guns, etc. - should not be available to kids (my opinion stops at 16, but I'm ok with 18 legally). Plenty of variables in life that can make anything dangerous, and the slightest change can throw a person's mind off balance to possibly worse scenarios. Unfortunately, kids will get their hands on it. And it being illegal, it is much easier to get it than if it were legal with mandatory requirements or regulations and sometimes by much worse people than your owner of the corner store. This is why we need to teach our kids better about choices and consequences, possibilities and realities. The only way to stop this from being an issue is to put it under supervision much like cigarettes and liquor. I am glad you have this state of mind, because I would never agree with the idea of allowing kids to have it, even though I did myself. Thank you yellowrose for your passion for a better life.

that is why it is up to the parents to put their foot down and stop using the lame excuse that it's not as bad as this or that.

my sister takes the pain meds they give 3rd degree burn victims for her blood disease. she tried pot (bro in law is ex pot head) and it made her hallucinate EVERY TIME. I have the same disease...but not as bad as hers. it made my muscles tense up so bad it hurt. I have seen others that do get lazy as well. the next door neighbor 20 yr old punk...dropped out of high school and doesn't get up except to get more pot. I know this isn't everyone...but it effects people differently. but with our history with it...my son will not smoke it as long as he is in my house. when he is on his own...then he takes the risks.

Yup, there are many factors to people and the elements of this world. My empathy for you and your family, I would not say its for everyone just as some people cant eat certain foods or touch certain materials... I am not one for a nation of "pot-heads" for the differences we carry, good and bad, make us beautiful. I have lots friends who dont smoke, some it affects badly, some they just have no interest and we get along great even when I'm smoking. I definitely understand and agree with you on your point. And it is of that point that makes the problem for marijuana. People see somebody smoke and go down a bad road and all of a sudden, its a gateway drug and terrible for you. We have too many problems as a species to point it to one thing, and I hope more people can learn and realize that these things do come down to the parents. Much love, peace

oh...btw...ty Keef

we all have to take responsibility for our actions...whether good or bad. But parents need to be responsible for their kids as well. I wouldn't condone my kid drinking, smoking or drugs of any kind (unless it's prescribed and I have looked into it and keep watch on it)

it just amazes me how many parents would rather be buddies with their kids. I'm a parent first and fore most. my son is 18 now and we are great friends now because I was his parent first

Yeah my father was friend first, parent second... we are cool but I never got what I needed from him and there is definitely distance. The best thing that came out of him being friend first was showing me how I was not going to be with my kids. I hope there are many more with your ideals out in this world than not.

Agree to agree

Keef...you do bring up very good points. not sure how old you are or if you have kids...but you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and you use your head for more than a hat rack (as grandpa used to say lol)


you brought up 16 yr olds. my thought on why 18 is a good age to be legally an adult is this....18 is the average age when kids graduate from High school. from there they can get a ful time job or continue with their education. 16 yr olds get to drive. most 16 yr olds don't have the experience driving as most adults. and I couldn't imagine keeping a 16 yr old in school if they are considered adults. IMO things would be worse. I mean there are adults that don't act like adults...a 16 yr old surely wouldn't. at 18...hopefully they have finished high school or gotten a GED.

being a parent is fun and games and shouldn't be. I wasn't a perfect parent but I have my son's respect. we have done things together for fun when he was growing up and we now shoot pool together. But I don't think he'd be the man he is today if me and his dad were friends with him first. he knew the boundaries and knew there were consequences if he crossed them. just like as an adult...there are laws...and consequences for breaking them. and I know you don't like this argument Keef lol...but what message does it send to kids if the parents basically say you can pick and chose what laws you like and don't like.? there are laws I don't like but I know if I break them, I face the consequences. and until the laws are changed...all people can do is fight to change them but will face the consequences if they are broken until they are changed. Adam is going to be a cop...and yes, it would probably be easier to deal with the real problems vs pot smokers. but they are doing their jobs with the laws we have now.

and as far as the "it's not as bad as" cop out...it may not be as bad, but it's not as good either.