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Edited by
notquite00
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Jesus was an Arab and a Socialist.
http://tenpercent.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/b_che.jpg Merry Christmas, Che Christ! |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn7exBrCiUI&feature=related
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Mon 12/15/08 09:29 PM
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I think what several people on this thread have pointed out is that if you personally choose to verbally say "Merry Christmas" to someone you encounter on the street, that is perfectly fine. I would have no problem with that. I would not yell at you or flip you off. I would simply perceive your beliefs to be that of a Christian who is somewhat close minded and inconsiderate of anyone elses spirituality. The terminology "Happy Holidays" is used in public displays because it is an all inclusive sentiment. It is not favoring one religiosity or another. It is not giving undue observance to Christians and their belief in Jesus. It is also not excluding any one religion or belief. That is why some people are annoyed with this OP and it will be argued and justifiably so. Actually what most are more upset about as far as the post goes is the fact that he makes the statements that Christmas is and American Tradition and that others should respect Christmas regardless if you in fact live in America. As should Americans respect others beliefs if they are in fact in their country. More or less Traditions should remain in each culture and we should all out of respect let each person believe what they believe in with out making then have to defend their beliefs. Well I was annoyed on both counts if you must know. There was some ridiculous and very naive statements made that clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding of the historical significance of the holiday. It was of course taken from the Pagans, adsorbed and adapted by the Christians. That is unimportant. What is important is that everyone has a right not to have a certain religious agenda drilled into them by bombastic display advertising. Christmas was not in fact originally celebrated in the US. American Indians are the native, indigenous people of this land and they were not Christians until that concept was brutally forced upon them. If someone wants to celebrate Christmas, let them do it. Just dont cram that down another person's throat and the least you can be expected to do is not gripe about a festive display in a public thoroughfare that says "Happy Holidays." |
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Maybe its just me but ive seen this type of thread hit the pavement almost every year since JSH first started (or at least since i first joined JSH ages ago) and it always ends in the same fight.
If you dont like "Christmas" then don't use it. If you dont like "Happy Holidays" then ignore it. just don't gripe at others for wishing you to have a happy this or marry that. |
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True that Christmas was not in fact born and bread in America but it has in fact been celebrated for over 4000 years. Way before Christ was even born in fact. Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years. And similar traditions were celebrated by many different cultures in fact. And was incorporated into America once it begin to be populated. Around that time is when the meaning was more of less changed to the way the Christians in fact believed instead of how the Romans or Pagans actually celebrated this time of year.
And in fact in the 1600's Christmas was actually outlawed in England and in parts of the English colonies in America. The old customs of feasting and decorating, however, soon reappeared and blended with the more Christian aspects of the celebration. Yes I will admit that it is more likely for Christians to celebrate Christmas then any other religion. But it is not excluded to Christians only. And in fact the meaning of Christmas as far as the Christians go is not what most celebrate today. For most Christmas is about giving, sharing being with family and friends and that is when Santa Claus comes to visit all the children. Of course this is not what the Christians meant this Holiday to be about at all but in reality it is a time for all to Celebrate regardless of what religion one is. It should be a time that all come together as it was meant to be in the beginning before religion took it over. |
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Edited by
bohemianbugeater
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Mon 12/15/08 09:53 PM
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h a h a |
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Normally I stay away from these types of threads but I wanted to say...MERRY CHRISTMAS.
And to all of you who celebrate other holidays...HAPPY HOLIDAYS. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Tue 12/16/08 03:55 AM
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True that Christmas was not in fact born and bread in America but it has in fact been celebrated for over 4000 years. Way before Christ was even born in fact. Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years. And similar traditions were celebrated by many different cultures in fact. And was incorporated into America once it begin to be populated. Around that time is when the meaning was more of less changed to the way the Christians in fact believed instead of how the Romans or Pagans actually celebrated this time of year. And in fact in the 1600's Christmas was actually outlawed in England and in parts of the English colonies in America. The old customs of feasting and decorating, however, soon reappeared and blended with the more Christian aspects of the celebration. Yes I will admit that it is more likely for Christians to celebrate Christmas then any other religion. But it is not excluded to Christians only. And in fact the meaning of Christmas as far as the Christians go is not what most celebrate today. For most Christmas is about giving, sharing being with family and friends and that is when Santa Claus comes to visit all the children. Of course this is not what the Christians meant this Holiday to be about at all but in reality it is a time for all to Celebrate regardless of what religion one is. It should be a time that all come together as it was meant to be in the beginning before religion took it over. Isnt that what I have been saying! It was a Pagan holiday initially that was absorbed by the Christians. Many cultures reside in the US and clearly not all of them celebrate "Christmas" which would be the Christian interpretation of the holiday solely. That is why I feel "Happy Holidays" is a more appropriate statment to make at this time of the year. Maybe we aren't disagreeing but since you didnt seem to take that position initially and came across as if you were in support of the OP, then you were not very clear. |
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Edited by
PBug
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Tue 12/16/08 04:06 AM
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Just a quick question before I go:
How is christmas an american holiday, when you obviously have a separation of church and goverment? Doesn't that imply that the United States is in fact indifferent towards religion? |
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PBug: Separation of church and state, in the US, is largely a myth. Every president to date has been Christian at least. Most politicians are also Christian. Many decisions are heavily influenced by Christianity, as our some of our holidays.
For this reason, I wouldn't say the separation of church and state is obvious at all. In fact, separation of church and state is more the exception than the rule, and the rule is that we are by and large a Christian state. Here's a couple more examples of issues where religion has played a main role: Stem-cell research Abortion laws Gay rights The state of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. ...list goes on. Whenever a government is democratic or has special interest groups, and when the country's people are heavily influenced by religion, it's probable that "separation of church and state" is just not going to happen. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Tue 12/16/08 05:20 AM
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Well in all fairness, our nation's Founding Fathers were indeed Deists (Thomas Jefferson and 6 others that I can name off hand) and not Christians, yet over the centuries the Church has steadily worked on eroding that initial proclamation of establishing a "wall of separation" between church and state so I would agree with the rest of your statement absolutely. Its a constant battle.
Notquite check this out as an example if you have never seen it before. This is an indication of this country's Deist roots. This is the Treaty with Tripoli. authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation. Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. |
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So he's saying that only white, Christians are Americans.   thanks for the back up on that....all to often people read what they want, and run with it.. |
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You can get back on topic here any day now pal.
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It serves me no purpose to argue over what I think and believe verses what you think and believe. And as far as running with dogs of any type goes...Yeah... I'll pass from now on... I remember a thing called "door warriors"......meaning that a person would talk trash, as if they were something to be feared.....but noone ever saw them out from behind the closed door, therefore the person felt safe, because they were sure the door would not open, thus, keeping them from harm. I laugh when I read alot of threads, cause it seems that this is the case with alot of people on these sites.....internet warriors......LOL |
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Jesus was an Arab and a Socialist. http://tenpercent.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/b_che.jpg Merry Christmas, Che Christ! HE was JEWISH......Mohammad is Arab |
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h well....Miss Lady....that was quite profound and I think it has made e change my way of thinking.....not about the OP.......just thinking about you....LOL |
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It serves me no purpose to argue over what I think and believe verses what you think and believe. And as far as running with dogs of any type goes...Yeah... I'll pass from now on... I remember a thing called "door warriors"......meaning that a person would talk trash, as if they were something to be feared.....but noone ever saw them out from behind the closed door, therefore the person felt safe, because they were sure the door would not open, thus, keeping them from harm. I laugh when I read alot of threads, cause it seems that this is the case with alot of people on these sites.....internet warriors......LOL I have made not one comment on this thread I can not back up with credible historical evidence. Can you say the same? I also would say everything I have stated on this thread directly to your face and not even bat an eyelash. |
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True that Christmas was not in fact born and bread in America but it has in fact been celebrated for over 4000 years. Way before Christ was even born in fact. Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years. And similar traditions were celebrated by many different cultures in fact. And was incorporated into America once it begin to be populated. Around that time is when the meaning was more of less changed to the way the Christians in fact believed instead of how the Romans or Pagans actually celebrated this time of year. And in fact in the 1600's Christmas was actually outlawed in England and in parts of the English colonies in America. The old customs of feasting and decorating, however, soon reappeared and blended with the more Christian aspects of the celebration. Yes I will admit that it is more likely for Christians to celebrate Christmas then any other religion. But it is not excluded to Christians only. And in fact the meaning of Christmas as far as the Christians go is not what most celebrate today. For most Christmas is about giving, sharing being with family and friends and that is when Santa Claus comes to visit all the children. Of course this is not what the Christians meant this Holiday to be about at all but in reality it is a time for all to Celebrate regardless of what religion one is. It should be a time that all come together as it was meant to be in the beginning before religion took it over. thank you very much... seems alot of people get on here just to run their mouth and start sh*t most likely....because they have nothing better to do with their life? |
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So he's saying that only white, Christians are Americans. thanks for the back up on that....all to often people read what they want, and run with it.. |
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