No it in fact proves nothing of a sort, otherwise you would not have the Treaty of Tripoli and everything else.

and going and going and going -----------------

what happened to the original post??????????

no is my answer -

"Tribo"..my post was referring to how people blame god and satan from their problems ..

Yur a silly dilly funches!

sorry off topic, your fired!!

we'' "Tribo" ...Krisma is actually proving the point of the thread ...she believes everything that written in the constitution is true and is followed to the letter ...just like the religious believe in the bible but even they are not delusional enough to believe everything in the bible is true

and that is why she believe that the theory of evolution is factual failing to realize that it's only a theory and that is why I said that people treat the theory of evolution like a religious belief

hey guys it was lots of fun debating with you but now it's greasy food beer watch a crappy sci-fi movie time now ....the crappy movie tonight is "Tremors" ...talk tp you chaps later

Oh hush! I bet Thomas Jefferson would kick your ass if he heard you go on so. You figure those Deists guys had to be pretty intimidating if they got their voices heard to the extent they did on those documents. I dont think they were taking any Christian crap or rhetoric.

"Krimsa" Jefferson would be too busy fornicating with the female slaves to do any apse kicking ..I'm surprise Jefferson had time to work on the Constitution or atleast attend the meeting with his pants on

the term "Founding Fathers" was base on Thomas Jefferson because he probably sire so many illegitimate children that asked who their father was and when told to look at Jefferson's face the children would say ..well I think I just "founding my father"

that explains why he was a Christian Deist to void the part of the bible about fornication

Well that is probably true. I dont doubt that he fathered many children with his slave mistress. However the point still stands that he was clearly a Deist and played a vital role in the creation of these documents. I would leave the drama out of it and focus on the Constitution itself and the establishment of a nation for the sake of this debate.

OK, so math can prove things, ok we are getting somewhere. Is math the only way to prove things?

well in fact ...yes ...couldn't everything in reality be calculated mathemathically to an absolute ..I'm surprise since you just took a math test you didn't know that ....

again you are treating whats in the constitution that same as a religious person would treat whats written in the bible... your reasoning is going against common sense ...for example

all the founding fathers was raised as christians but yet you believe because 5 christian deist out of 204 christians means the country wasn't founded on christianity and you believe this because of they wrote in the constitution ....

that is the same mindset believers go with when referring about their belief in the bible ...it's called blind faith

you seem to forget the country was founded on Christianity before the founding father wrote the constitution

in other words...just because it's written down doesn't mean it's true or accurate

how was your movie funch?

ok back to business,

in my opinion religion and belief systems are not the same - i can see where one might take the "theory of evolution" and base their belief that this took place on what evidence it stands on. However to be a "religion" it would have to include a "deity" and i don't see any deity involved? nor have i ever heard of a church of the "theory of evolution"? or those who worship the theory. so I'm not in agreement with you on your post as to it being a "religion"

NOW!! - the balls in your court to prove that it is a religion, your grounds for saying such that would be in agreement with the majority to be able to accept or deny/refute.

crappy



"Trobo"..I'm referring to how some people treat this theory like a religion by claiming this theory as fact and not just theory ..just like the religious claim their beliefs as fact and not just belief

they treat the "One Singularity" that supposely set off the big bang as a substitute for God and the creator of the universe failing to realize that "The One Singularity like God had to come from someplace but yet each refuse to think beyond that concept

they have blind faith that The Theory of Evolution was how life originated which is no different then having the same blind faith that Creationism was how life originated

How am I treating the Constitution like anything? Can you explain that statement? You totally lost me.

There were actually 6 high profile Deists (that we know of) and possibly more that were involved in both the writing of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence, it is a historical document, not a constitutional one.

Clearly if this country was founded on anything even remotely Christian in origin then both of these records would reflect that.

I dont think you would consider that "blind faith" since you only need open your eyes and read these Amendments and how they effect your life today. When was the last time you prayed at work? The position that would appear to have been taken was that this nation requires a WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE. The two shall not meet because it can be trouble.

A few thoughts that I didn't take the time to see if anyone had posted, prior to my making this statement.

Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

This thought has been around for quite a bit longer than the big bang theory, although it fits very well within the parameters of what scientists are finding, today.

As for theory on either side of the argument,

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

You'll notice that it doesn't say that one must KNOW. It ain't like that. But, the thought that most evolutionists/believers hang themselves on is the thought that one must KNOW something, in order for it to be true. Such is not the case. A theory asks nothing more of the holder of it to have faith in it. It's too bad that nither side doesn't understand this thought. There would be a lot less clubbing going on.

hmmm - ok, if anyone takes it as a fact and not a theory then i would agree that it is at least a belief system but not a religion, most scientist are agnostic or atheistic not religious which must include a diety to be worshipped to be such, that was my point. I think what your stating is that the available accepted facts donot support that their is something behind the material being or existing for the bang to have happened in the first place correct? or in other words where did the stuff of the big bang come from? well iknow from my talks with abra - his take on this is the quantum [hicks] feild that he says always existed, but this raises the question - how can that be determined? so then were back to spirtuality of some type again - a creative source - so i'll have to leave it for others since i am no scientist.

Besides Funches, if you were a little more certain of your own beliefs and spirituality, wouldn't you be less concerned and apprehensive that someone might think the theory behind Evolutionary Biology is plausible? Is it that it is in direct conflict with your beliefs or what? Why so much concern? We certainly dont worry about the religious crowd until they do something crazy like bomb an abortion clinic or whatever else.

can you weigh love or know its dimensions?, Can you measure me out a bushel of compassion? there are many things that exist that can not be known mathamatically.