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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is he a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. krim, i have seen you post this before but your not taking into concderation what it is saying - the US was not "founded" >on< that does not mean it was not made up of and controlled by individual representitives of the christian faith, just not founded upon christ or the monotheistic god. It was and is [to some degree yet] a democratic republic, much as Locke had outlined in his works combined with some christian morality and even some native indian concepts on life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and both franklin and jefferson [his protoge'] were of the mind that there should not even be a standing government. I will get that for you if your interested or see the last 3 or 4 pages of my post on native americans and the founding fathers. |
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Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. "Krisma" that you are including abe lincoln in a subject about the founding father is ...er.. delusional So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "Krisma" what would you expect the framers to say that they will act like the church of england which push christianity on it's subjects ... isn't that why Washington didn't want to be called a king but choose the term president instead they tried to distance themselves from the church of england and that is why they said that the constitution wasn't based on christianity as you now see today that it actually was and clearly not based on deistism |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. krim, i have seen you post this before but your not taking into concderation what it is saying - theUS was not "founded" >on< that does not mean it was not made up of and controlled by individual representitives of the christian faith, just not founded upon christ or the monotheistic god it was and is [to some degree yet] a democratic republic, much a Locke had outlined in his works combined with some christian morality and even some native indian concepts on life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and both frnklin and jefferson [his protoge'] were of the mind that there should not even be a standing government will get that for you if your interested or see the last 3 or 4 pages of my post on native americans. Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. "Krisma" that you are including abe lincoln in a subject about the founding father is ...er.. delusional So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "Krisma" what would you expect the framers to say that they will act like the church of england which push christianity on it's subjects ... isn't that why Washington didn't want to be called a king but choose the term president instead they tried to distance themselves from the church of england and that is why they said that the constitution wasn't based on christianity as you now see today that it actually was and clearly not based on deistism I said I INCLUDED ABE LINCOLN which implies a distinction funches. No. I would expect them to say what they mean and mean what they say which is clearly what they did. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" I certainly know that Christians like to pretend that the founding fathers did not include a significant portion of Deists and this is in fact why we see these elements included in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli. |
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Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. "Krimsa"..so all the framers of the Constitution were christians but yet you believe that the constitution was not founded on christianity because they wrote it down and therefore it's true ... isn't that the same thing that can be said about what's in the bible and about those that believe in the bible.. you are acting with a belief just like a religious person about the Constitution |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. krim, i have seen you post this before but your not taking into concderation what it is saying - theUS was not "founded" >on< that does not mean it was not made up of and controlled by individual representitives of the christian faith, just not founded upon christ or the monotheistic god it was and is [to some degree yet] a democratic republic, much a Locke had outlined in his works combined with some christian morality and even some native indian concepts on life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and both frnklin and jefferson [his protoge'] were of the mind that there should not even be a standing government will get that for you if your interested or see the last 3 or 4 pages of my post on native americans. Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. sorry for the confusion, but hey - its a funch OP |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington "Krisma" how did Abe Lincoln become one of the founding fathers....what is a time lord like Dr. Who or something either way I have showed you that the majority of the founding fathers were christians ....the guys was just trying to be fair when it came to religion as to not impose their religion upon the masses .. can I now be assure that this matter is settle Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. krim, i have seen you post this before but your not taking into concderation what it is saying - theUS was not "founded" >on< that does not mean it was not made up of and controlled by individual representitives of the christian faith, just not founded upon christ or the monotheistic god it was and is [to some degree yet] a democratic republic, much a Locke had outlined in his works combined with some christian morality and even some native indian concepts on life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and both frnklin and jefferson [his protoge'] were of the mind that there should not even be a standing government will get that for you if your interested or see the last 3 or 4 pages of my post on native americans. Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. sorry for the confusion, but hey - its a funch OP Oops Im sorry. I thought it was Funches posting that initially. 
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sorry for the confusion, but hey - its a funch OP geez you guys blame all your mistakes on me ....now I know how God and Satan feel ...oh wait it is all God and Satan's fault ...ok in that case I accept full responsibility ...it's all my fault |
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Did you even read what I said? I said I AM INCLUDING ABE LINCOLN. "Krisma" that you are including abe lincoln in a subject about the founding father is ...er.. delusional So clearly this matter is still open. You would need to then go back and explain why the evidence I provided exists meaning the wording on the documents themselves, the re-writes AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "Krisma" what would you expect the framers to say that they will act like the church of england which push christianity on it's subjects ... isn't that why Washington didn't want to be called a king but choose the term president instead they tried to distance themselves from the church of england and that is why they said that the constitution wasn't based on christianity as you now see today that it actually was and clearly not based on deistism there is no such word as deistism it's deism, boy for somebody who gets so picky about everything else he discusses you sure slaughter the english language - 
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Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. "Krimsa"..so all the framers of the Constitution were christians but yet you believe that the constitution was not founded on christianity because they wrote it down and therefore it's true ... isn't that the same thing that can be said about what's in the bible and about those that believe in the bible.. you are acting with a belief just like a religious person about the Constitution But ALL of them WERE NOT Christian funches and at least 6 that have been listed were Deists. Not to mention these documents? Explanation? Its clearly in black and white. |
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AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "Krimsa" why you keep bringing up this treaty ...like I explained early...this treaty means nothing since President Bush claimed that God told him to invade Iraq ...if the treaty meant anything it could have been used to stop the war from taking place ... |
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sorry for the confusion, but hey - its a funch OP geez you guys blame all your mistakes on me ....now I know how God and Satan feel ...oh wait it is all God and Satan's fault ...ok in that case I accept full responsibility ...it's all my fault it's not god "and" satans fault, it's gods alone unless you believe satan was a co-creator? 
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there is no such word as deistism it's deism, boy for somebody who gets so picky about everything else he discusses you sure slaughter the english language - "Tribo" now you're being anal ... |
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there is no such word as deistism it's deism, boy for somebody who gets so picky about everything else he discusses you sure slaughter the english language - "Tribo" now you're being anal ... no i'm just being me. |
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sorry for the confusion, but hey - its a funch OP geez you guys blame all your mistakes on me ....now I know how God and Satan feel ...oh wait it is all God and Satan's fault ...ok in that case I accept full responsibility ...it's all my fault Na, I only accuse you of being delusional or just not wanting to accept that SOME of these founding fathers were NOT Christians. Otherwise we would now have prayer in school, no wall of separation between church and state. It would be a nightmare.   Oh god, and the courts. We would be stoning people out in the parking lot of the court house. In fact there would be no reason for trial and we probably would just proceed directly to stoning.
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Well that would be plausible but clearly it was NOT FOUNDED on the Christian faith which is what you were implying earlier in your posts unless I misunderstood you. "Krimsa"..so all the framers of the Constitution were christians but yet you believe that the constitution was not founded on christianity because they wrote it down and therefore it's true ... isn't that the same thing that can be said about what's in the bible and about those that believe in the bible.. you are acting with a belief just like a religious person about the Constitution But ALL of them WERE NOT Christian funches and at least 6 that have been listed were Deists. Not to mention these documents? Explanation? Its clearly in black and white. "Krisma" the link I provided show that right next to those deist names was the christian denomination they were affiliated with which means the God they believed in was the christian god just not the same religious views and that the God on the currency today is of the christian god |
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AND the Treaty of Tripoli.Here it is yet again. Article 11 Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "Krimsa" why you keep bringing up this treaty ...like I explained early...this treaty means nothing since President Bush claimed that God told him to invade Iraq ...if the treaty meant anything it could have been used to stop the war from taking place ... We are not speaking of Bush or the current day political arena. We are discussing the foundation of the US and its early establishment funches!
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there is no such word as deistism it's deism, boy for somebody who gets so picky about everything else he discusses you sure slaughter the english language - "Tribo" now you're being anal ... no i'm just being me. right...you're anal ...that's you |
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