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Alright never mind, I missed that context. My mistake. I thought you were attempting to say that the concept of "god" can only be Christian. That just wont fly.  all forgiven "Krisma" ...now pay attention to whats going on woman Im going to shower actually. Have fun. 
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(Psssst! Tribo/Sam... I suspect Funches' mum called him funches...hence we get the " * " around our screen names...) Poor thing, I shall call him Sue from now on so he can have an alias too.   "Jess" you appear to be very passive aggresive today ...maybe you need a re-wax I ran out of wax... But thanks for the advice "Sue"/funches.
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So now you are trying to break down the numbers for the founding fathers? Well before you would not even admit that ANY of them were Deists. Are we wearing you thin at this point? You dont have to accept any of this Funches. Its just what I have studied a bit on my own time over the years and many Christians have this reaction when they first hear it. "Krisma" the point I'm trying to make is that all the founding fathers was once in their lives christian and the majority of the founding fathers was christian and just like I explained to "Tribo" once you go christian you never go back |
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Well like Sam and I have both evidenced, it does not matter what he might have done later in his life. I actually have not researched that. BUT, the point we are attempting to make is AT THE TIME of the writing of the Constitution and the Declaration, he was a Deist. Outside of that wouldn't be significant. well "Krisma" let's use "Sam" aka "Tribo" to show my point ..."Tribo" follows supposely a panthiesm or deist existence ...but he was first a christian and that is where his concept of God came from ...his religious or spiritual affliation was spawned from christianity im a truist funch i am still searching for truths, that is my goal, to find the truth i have not settled on anyway bieng "the" way as of yet, but i do agree my original take on god was christian/catholic in reality. but- whati write now if you did not know that would not lead you to conclude in anyway that i was at some point a christian. and thats what i mean of jefferson and the rest of the deist. and "Tribo" that why if you worship a God or believe in one it can only be the Christian God because that is where your concept of God arised from ...you can called yourself a "truist" but that is the case of all those that disagree with their religion...they branch off into splinter sects and rename themselves Well i might agree with you funch if "re-naming" yourself meant giving creedence to what you formerly held as fact, i do not, nor did the deist, therefore your assumption is flawed. i did not splinter into a new sect - i know of no group called truist,[though there may be] that is my word for what i pursue, even if you could show others exist i do not take part in or necessarily would i agree with their truths if so. im as much sam as you are ?? what is your real name funch???? anyway thats a poor example to hold to and express, think of something else. "Tribo" in fact my real name is Funches ...but anyway the question is..do you still worship and believe in a God ... and besides following no religion explain how that God is different than the christian god you once held so dearly ok in that case i wont call you sue -  answers are no and therefore makes the second part no also. |
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Alright never mind, I missed that context. My mistake. I thought you were attempting to say that the concept of "god" can only be Christian. That just wont fly. all forgiven "Krisma" ...now pay attention to whats going on woman Im going to shower actually. Have fun. baptism? |
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(Psssst! Tribo/Sam... I suspect Funches' mum called him funches...hence we get the " * " around our screen names...) Poor thing, I shall call him Sue from now on so he can have an alias too. "Jess" you appear to be very passive aggresive today ...maybe you need a re-wax I ran out of wax... But thanks for the advice "Sue"/funches. ..er. why I have to be sue/funches? ...do you call god sue/god ....so why are you so mad today ...you want to talk about it? ...come on Jess talk with me walk with me |
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ok in that case i wont call you sue - answers are no and therefore makes the second part no also. then the next question "Tribo" is do you believe you retain any of your christian values |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sat 10/25/08 02:54 PM
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ok in that case i wont call you sue - answers are no and therefore makes the second part no also. then the next question "Tribo" is do you believe you retain any of your christian values i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. |
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian |
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. |
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers |
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers well your logic is interesting funch - why didn't you save us 4 pages of typing by saying this to begin with? are you afraid the thread will end to soon before you've made your funchological points? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 10/25/08 03:28 PM
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers Thats totally inaccurate. Anyway Funch you have failed to make a clear comparison to having faith in a dogmatic belief and accepting a scientific theory or premise to be factual or at least well established. If the only argument you can make is well, some people accept the theory of evolution to be truthful and therefore discredit all religious belief, then thats not going to cut it. At least not in my opinion. For one thing, the Roman Catholic church now generally accepts evolutionary biology as valid and has pronounced it not at odds with their chosen beliefs. Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. |
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the big bang theory is not a religion, at best it is a belief system and by definition there is a difference want me to copy and paste?
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers well your logic is interesting funch - why didn't you save us 4 pages of typing by saying this to begin with? are you afraid the thread will end to soon before you've made your funchological points? I said from the beginning that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs because all the founding fathers was raised christian ...it was our friend "Krimsa" that kept insisting to rally around the deist movement |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sat 10/25/08 04:23 PM
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers well your logic is interesting funch - why didn't you save us 4 pages of typing by saying this to begin with? are you afraid the thread will end to soon before you've made your funchological points? I said from the beginning that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs because all the founding fathers was raised christian ...it was our friend "Krimsa" that kept insisting to rally around the deist movement well i'll agree with you on this point - the MAJORITY of those who signed the final versions of the documents were most definitely christian not deist. |
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Krimsa
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Sat 10/25/08 04:33 PM
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers well your logic is interesting funch - why didn't you save us 4 pages of typing by saying this to begin with? are you afraid the thread will end to soon before you've made your funchological points? I said from the beginning that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs because all the founding fathers was raised christian ...it was our friend "Krimsa" that kept insisting to rally around the deist movement well i'll agree with you on this point - the MAJORITY of those who signed the documents were most definitely christian not deist. You quoted yourself? Anyway, no Im not rallying behind anything. Im telling you that a significant number (enough to effect the outcome of these documents) were Deists. Otherwise, the Christian agenda would have been MUCH more influential. They were in combat with one another and we know this from the amount of drafts and re-writes that were completed. The Christians in Congress wanted representation and the Deists felt like no, we need to make a clean break from that entire concept because we just left a monarchy and the king that laid claim to "divine rule." They were done with that. This is the reason for it funches. That and the fact that many of them were not Christians. They considered themselves men of the enlightenment which was a different mindset for that time period |
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i still have morals a sense of right and wrong, but those things existed before christianity. so 'Tribo" what religion were you before you became a christian and at what age did you become a christian i was born a catholic and by birth was included as a christian [how a new born can be called a ristian is beyond me since it takes knowing what salvation means to be one] 8 yrs, then agnostic, then at 23 a real christian[meaning understanding what was entailed to become that] then after 15 yrs or so nothing. well "Tribo" the concept goes like this ..what is the motto of both religion and the tabacco companies get them while they are young and you will in some shape form or fashion have them for life and that's explain no matter what religion or God you go to..it will be based on the christian god...and that was the point I was trying to get around about the founding fathers well your logic is interesting funch - why didn't you save us 4 pages of typing by saying this to begin with? are you afraid the thread will end to soon before you've made your funchological points? I said from the beginning that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs because all the founding fathers was raised christian ...it was our friend "Krimsa" that kept insisting to rally around the deist movement well i'll agree with you on this point - the MAJORITY of those who signed the documents were most definitely christian not deist. You quoted yourself? Anyway, no Im not rallying behind anything. Im telling you that a significant number (enough to effect the outcome of these documents) were Deists. Otherwise, the Christian agenda would have been MUCH more influential. They were in combat with one another and we know this from the amount of drafts and re-writes that were completed. The Christians in Congress wanted representation and the Deists felt like no, we need to make a clean break from that entire concept because we just left a monarchy and the king that laid claim to "divine rule." They were done with that. This is the reason for it funches. That and the fact that many of them were not Christians. They considered themselves men of the enlightenment which was a different mindset for that time period i cannot find more deist than i have stated my lady and as to the men of the enlightenment you will have to provide this i have no clue how many were and then it can be fairly judged as to how many were and were not agreed? this will settle it once and for all. |
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 10/25/08 04:54 PM
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Secondly, you would need to provide me with some kind of supportive evidence to make your case that none of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. I am of course presenting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as my supportive weight. Sam also had much to provide to further establish this. "Krimsa" since you refuse of simply can't provide a link as to the religion of each of the founding fathers I will provide it http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html I am talking AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. These are the Deists I am aware of. I will also include Abe Lincoln because of his high profile nature. Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Franklin James Madison Abe Lincoln John Adams Thomas Paine George Washington |
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