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Clearly if this country was founded on anything even remotely Christian in origin then both of these records would reflect that. again "Krisma" you keep trying to dismiss the fact that all the framers had christian roots you are placing everything on what is written and leaving out the human factor the human factor is if all the framers have christian roots they can't help but to place christianity into whatever they are doing |
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the Big Bang Theory seems to be a way for religious ex-compatriots to unknowingly push the concept that a God perhaps created the universe the "One Singularity" that supposedly represents the Big Bang just somehow amazingly just like a God popped out of nothingness providing no explanation where it came from or how the knowledge was obtain for the bang to take place which insinuates that the "One Singularity" is supposedly somehow conscious, all knowledgeable and eternal.. ... just like any religious belief the Big Bang has become more of an acceptable truth than just an unproven theory as it substitute one concept of God with the same concept of the exact same God placing the followers of the Big Bang Theory aka "The One Singularity" more in line with the religious movement know as "Scientology" A few thoughts that I didn't take the time to see if anyone had posted, prior to my making this statement. Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. This thought has been around for quite a bit longer than the big bang theory, although it fits very well within the parameters of what scientists are finding, today. As for theory on either side of the argument, Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. You'll notice that it doesn't say that one must KNOW. It ain't like that. But, the thought that most evolutionists/believers hang themselves on is the thought that one must KNOW something, in order for it to be true. Such is not the case. A theory asks nothing more of the holder of it to have faith in it. It's too bad that nither side doesn't understand this thought. There would be a lot less clubbing going on. "TWBee" and the fact that one does not "know" is why the existence of God can only never be anything more than a belief |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 10/26/08 11:36 AM
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Clearly if this country was founded on anything even remotely Christian in origin then both of these records would reflect that. again "Krisma" you keep trying to dismiss the fact that all the framers had christian roots you are placing everything on what is written and leaving out the human factor the human factor is if all the framers have christian roots they can't help but to place christianity into whatever they are doing So you are claiming that they were ALL born Christians. You have no way of knowing that and its probably not true. What matters for the sake of this debate is whether or not they were Deists in the moment that they were constructing these historically significant documents and we have established that they were. If they wern't then we would recognize this to be the case in the resulting document tone and verbiage. They were explicit about what they intended to happen and what their desired outcome was to be. No screwing around. They had to be. This was HIGH TREASON punishable by death by the King of England. Clearly you are continually insistent on dismissing this information that has been provided to you. |
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hmmm - ok, if anyone takes it as a fact and not a theory then i would agree that it is at least a belief system but not a religion, most scientist are agnostic or atheistic not religious which must include a diety to be worshipped to be such, that was my point. I think what your stating is that the available accepted facts donot support that their is something behind the material being or existing for the bang to have happened in the first place correct? or in other words where did the stuff of the big bang come from? well iknow from my talks with abra - his take on this is the quantum [hicks] feild that he says always existed, but this raises the question - how can that be determined? so then were back to spirtuality of some type again - a creative source - so i'll have to leave it for others since i am no scientist. "Tribo" quantum hicks fields only apply to the inner working or the end results of the big bang ...it doesn't apply beyond "The One Singularity" ..quantum hick fields just adds to the "One Singularity" being a substitue God |
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Besides Funches, if you were a little more certain of your own beliefs and spirituality, wouldn't you be less concerned and apprehensive that someone might think the theory behind Evolutionary Biology is plausible? Is it that it is in direct conflict with your beliefs or what? Why so much concern? We certainly dont worry about the religious crowd until they do something crazy like bomb an abortion clinic or whatever else. "Krimsa" in case you didn't know it this is a forum where questions are asked and answered and that is what I'm doing here and probably the reason you are here ...so quit acting like a drama queen |
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Besides Funches, if you were a little more certain of your own beliefs and spirituality, wouldn't you be less concerned and apprehensive that someone might think the theory behind Evolutionary Biology is plausible? Is it that it is in direct conflict with your beliefs or what? Why so much concern? We certainly dont worry about the religious crowd until they do something crazy like bomb an abortion clinic or whatever else. "Krimsa" in case you didn't know it this is a forum where questions are asked and answered and that is what I'm doing here and probably the reason you are here ...so quit acting like a drama queen Well woudnt it be a question?? Alright never mind.  Dont answer it then. One cant help but wonder about the motivations. Thats all I meant.
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funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? well "Bushidobillyclub" ..you supposely took a math test the other day ..math is not about claiming belief as truth it's about facts ..and that is what I consider as proof OK, so math can prove things, ok we are getting somewhere. Is math the only way to prove things? well in fact ...yes ...couldn't everything in reality be calculated mathemathically to an absolute ..I'm surprise since you just took a math test you didn't know that .... can you weigh love or know its dimensions?, Can you measure me out a bushel of compassion? there are many things that exist that can not be known mathamatically. "Tribo"...love and compassion are decisions ...decisions are part of a thought process |
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Its a non-mathematical thought process however. You do not need to utilize math in order to make a decision of that nature.
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So you are claiming that they were ALL born Christians. You have no way of knowing that and its probably not true. What matters for the sake of this debate is whether or not they were Deists in the moment that they were constructing these historically significant documents and we have established that they were. If they wern't then we would recognize this to be the case in the resulting document tone and verbiage. They were explicit about what they intended to happen and what their desired outcome was to be. No screwing around. They had to be. This was HIGH TREASON punishable by death by the King of England. Clearly you are continually insistent on dismissing this information that has been provided to you. "Krisma"..."Deist" worship Gods... I keep asking you where do you think they got their concept of God if not from christianity... you keep avoiding that question all the founding father did was create a christian bible with man made rules |
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Besides Funches, if you were a little more certain of your own beliefs and spirituality, wouldn't you be less concerned and apprehensive that someone might think the theory behind Evolutionary Biology is plausible? Is it that it is in direct conflict with your beliefs or what? Why so much concern? We certainly dont worry about the religious crowd until they do something crazy like bomb an abortion clinic or whatever else. "Krimsa" in case you didn't know it this is a forum where questions are asked and answered and that is what I'm doing here and probably the reason you are here ...so quit acting like a drama queen Well woudnt it be a question?? Alright never mind. Dont answer it then. One cant help but wonder about the motivations. Thats all I meant. my motivation is gaining knowledge |
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Its a non-mathematical thought process however. You do not need to utilize math in order to make a decision of that nature. "Krisma"..doesn't it take a mathemathically amount of chemicals to create that thought ..when the math is off it can cause a chemical imbalance ...that's why things like love or compassion are just irrational emotions ..that's why decisions should be made logically not emotionally |
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oh sorry, I thought it said "big bong theory"
never mind |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 10/26/08 12:10 PM
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So you are claiming that they were ALL born Christians. You have no way of knowing that and its probably not true. What matters for the sake of this debate is whether or not they were Deists in the moment that they were constructing these historically significant documents and we have established that they were. If they wern't then we would recognize this to be the case in the resulting document tone and verbiage. They were explicit about what they intended to happen and what their desired outcome was to be. No screwing around. They had to be. This was HIGH TREASON punishable by death by the King of England. Clearly you are continually insistent on dismissing this information that has been provided to you. "Krisma"..."Deist" worship Gods... I keep asking you where do you think they got their concept of God if not from christianity... you keep avoiding that question all the founding father did was create a christian bible with man made rules Funches, Sam and I have repeatedly copied and pasted definitions from varying websites for Deist. Now since you cant get out from under this, you are simply trying to somehow magically convince us that Deists believe in the biblical god and Christ. Clearly that is not the case. They are a totally separate theologies. Deist hold a belief in a "god of nature" which is NOT the same as the Christian god. They also believe that this same creator is not involved in the lives of humans. Another belief totally inconsistent with Christianity. This question has been answered by Sam and I probably 20 times now. Its pointless and beating a dead horse at this juncture. The God of Nature is not the same conceptualization as the Christian idea of a male Lord and Godhead. God is a generic term. Gods and Goddess have existed for thousands of years prior to Christianity which is the "new kid on the block" by comparison. How about you explain how Christianity is comparable to Deism since we have both clearly shown you how it is inconsistent and divergent. Try again. |
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Besides Funches, if you were a little more certain of your own beliefs and spirituality, wouldn't you be less concerned and apprehensive that someone might think the theory behind Evolutionary Biology is plausible? Is it that it is in direct conflict with your beliefs or what? Why so much concern? We certainly dont worry about the religious crowd until they do something crazy like bomb an abortion clinic or whatever else. "Krimsa" in case you didn't know it this is a forum where questions are asked and answered and that is what I'm doing here and probably the reason you are here ...so quit acting like a drama queen Well woudnt it be a question?? Alright never mind. Dont answer it then. One cant help but wonder about the motivations. Thats all I meant. my motivation is gaining knowledge Really?  
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Its a non-mathematical thought process however. You do not need to utilize math in order to make a decision of that nature. "Krisma"..doesn't it take a mathemathically amount of chemicals to create that thought ..when the math is off it can cause a chemical imbalance ...that's why things like love or compassion are just irrational emotions ..that's why decisions should be made logically not emotionally You are reaching.
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Edited by
tribo
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Sun 10/26/08 12:25 PM
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38) Love with out wisdom is carnal, Wisdom with out love is empty, Wisdom with love is complete and lasting love. Separately no union will hold together.
wisdom would be inclusive of logic and rationale'i feel for you if your going to base a relationship on logic alone and think it will ever work - or do plan on marrying or living with a VULCAN? would any offspring then be Funchans or Vulches? good luck with that funch. |
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How about you explain how Christianity is comparable to Deism since we have both clearly shown you how it is inconsistent and divergent. Try again. "Krisma" ..ok as a deist Thomas Jefferson celebrated Christmas ...he even allowed his slaves to visit their familes during the Christmas holiday ...so wouldn't you say the fact that Jefferson celebrate Christmas as in the birth of Christ kind of displays how his deistism is referring to the biblical god just like anyone today that celebrate christmas...are celebrating the birth of christ the comparasion between deist and christianity or any religion ..is nothing more than forming a splinter sect or branching off..people simply dump the religion but keep the God ...it's called Pantheism or New Age |
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Its a non-mathematical thought process however. You do not need to utilize math in order to make a decision of that nature. "Krisma"..doesn't it take a mathemathically amount of chemicals to create that thought ..when the math is off it can cause a chemical imbalance ...that's why things like love or compassion are just irrational emotions ..that's why decisions should be made logically not emotionally You are reaching. but "Krimsa".. you know I'm right |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 10/26/08 01:07 PM
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How about you explain how Christianity is comparable to Deism since we have both clearly shown you how it is inconsistent and divergent. Try again. "Krisma" ..ok as a deist Thomas Jefferson celebrated Christmas ...he even allowed his slaves to visit their familes during the Christmas holiday ...so wouldn't you say the fact that Jefferson celebrate Christmas as in the birth of Christ kind of displays how his deistism is referring to the biblical god just like anyone today that celebrate christmas...are celebrating the birth of christ the comparasion between deist and christianity or any religion ..is nothing more than forming a splinter sect or branching off..people simply dump the religion but keep the God ...it's called Pantheism or New Age Well not exactly because I am not Christian (probably no surprise to anyone there) yet I still celebrate Christmas because it is fun and traditional. Jefferson might have felt the same way. Maybe he shared some lovin with his slaves under the mistletoe.  Not to mention that "Christmas" is a holiday that was clearly stolen by the Christians and simply "re-designated" as sort of the ambiguous date of Christ's birth. The original Pagan holiday was referred to as Yule. Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth, the Christ Mass. This celebration was moved to December 25th in the fourth century to compete with and absorb the pagan ritual of Yule, a move that was both religious and political. I would imagine Jefferson let his slaves visit family over the holidays because, he was in love with one of them arguably and secondly, he might have been a kind man with a heart.  |
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38) Love with out wisdom is carnal, Wisdom with out love is empty, Wisdom with love is complete and lasting love. Separately no union will hold together. wisdom would be inclusive of logic and rationale'i feel for you if your going to base a relationship on logic alone and think it will ever work - or do plan on marrying or living with a VULCAN? would any offspring then be Funchans or Vulches? good luck with that funch. "Tribo"..if Love is supposely an emotion and all emotions are irrational then to equate wisdom to irrationality is not wise ..it's like saying you used wisdom to make an irrational decision ...you are therefore displaying a lack of wisdom |
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