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Krimsa
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I think he was referring to comparing the attributes of what people's common perceptions of "gods" or "goddesses" encompass exactly. Like that expression,
" When God and the Devil were battling it out, my Goddess was the stadium they were playing in." Its intended to put it into perspective |
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"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the
beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short... Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast for it is a human number, its number is Six hundred and sixty six." |
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Why was it 666? Couldn't it just as easily been 387? What is so menacing about those digits exactly? Damien films and the "Omen" aside of course.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 10/04/08 06:34 AM
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Revelation 13 (Isnt 13 also a scary number?)
13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. "The number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." John says that wisdom is knowing that the mark of the beast is 666. Everyone will be marked on their right hand or their forehead with this number. |
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The title of the Pope in Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei [Latin for "Vicar of the Son of God"]. This is inscribed on his mitre; and if you take the letters of his title which represent Latin numerals (printed large) and add them together they come to 666.
But Our Sunday Visitor went on to point out that other people's names add up to 666 too. It even gave the example of "Ernest Reginald Hull," which also adds up to 666 if you alter his name a bit, making it read "Ernestus Reginaldus Hull." In a similar manner, some critics of Seventh-day Adventists claim that "Ellen Gould White" adds up to 666 when you take the "double U" to be a double V. Vicarius Filii Dei is a title that can be found in official documents of the Church of Rome. It appeared in the famous forgery, the Donation of Constantine, which was then incorporated into Canon Law. Gratian's Decretals, one such collection of Canon Law composed in the 1140's and in common use for about 800 years, quotes from this forgery the portion that states that just as Peter was vicarius Filii Dei, so also are the popes greater in power than earthly emperors, since they are Peter's successors.* A Catholic scholar named Lucius Ferraris wrote a reference work called Prompta Bibliotheca around the mid-eighteenth century, and it was reprinted a number of times through 1899. This work contained an article on the pope which included the title Vicarius Filii Dei. |
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My god can beat up your god!! for some yes, for others no. |
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22. It is sometimes objected that, by using various systems of computation, it is possible to give practically anyone’s name the value of 666; thus, interpreters have identified the Beast with the Pope, Martin Luther, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler, and Henry Kissinger (among a host of others). The point should be understood, however, that not "any" possible solution of the name, but rather a ""relevant solution,"" is required. Having already shown that the Roman Empire is the Beast described in verses 1-8 of this chapter, we naturally look for some name that gives specific designation of that "power.”
Since the time for this to take place was "that generation" That is where the relevance has to be found - no where does Jesus or John or the prophets state that this was to take place thousands of years after the fact - john states at the beginning that Jesus says to him: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must >>>>>shortly<<<<< - >[soon]< come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" the only person or empire that fits the time and the place as to revelence that the first readers of the book would be able to undrstand was Rome and its ruler at that time - Nero - who's name does work out to 666 - He is the only one "RELEVENT" to what is spoken of by john/christ. You will find no other unless you are a evanglical futurist fundie that has brought into the false teachings of darby,scofield, moody, and new writers such as Lindsey and LeHaye and dozens more, they write to uphold their >>sectarian beliefs<< - not to discern what is truth or lies. this doctrine they teach is a lie - period. |
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Henry Kissinger.....
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In Numerology 666 equates to 9 and that means...You are socially conscious, concerned about the betterment of the world, idealistic, visionary, tolerant, imaginative and creative, compassionate, romantic, selfless and generous. are also giving, sharing, loving, caring, noble and aristocratic.
You don't mind sacrificing time, money and energy for a better world. You usually finish what you start and you are ready to sacrifice without the need for reward. |
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Boy you could learn a lot from your Goddess
I absolutely love how with some Christians it's "either or" thast is such a child like mentality. If you're not my friend you are my enemy. REALLY? If you don't sit with me at lunch you're not my friend anymore. REALLY? Is your God so pias and arrogant that's how he sees it? You don't have to believe in my Goddess she believes in you. She likes me more but she believes in you, no matter how much of a stick in the mud you are. Don't see any difference with you and yours my sweet..... Really, so if I die and have been wrong all of this time, your God will allow me into heaven? And what pretail does the above have to do with anything I said. You know the answer to your question Lily.....I am sure of it. You said you didn't see any difference and that my dear is a huge difference. Your God won't accept me unless I worship him, my Goddess excepts you for whomever you chose to worship. |
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My god can beat up your god!! your such the tribo |
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I studied this subject for four years. The way I did my study was much like an investigator would solve a crime. I started at the end of the book of Revelation, and worked my way back to the Begining of Genisis. My conclusion was that the "mark of the beast" is lying or any form of deceit! I believe it's a spiritual mark, you receive when you deny the Lord. |
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Boy you could learn a lot from your Goddess As you could from your God, if you listened to the love that he taught. |
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Feral I think what was being imparted was that the Goddess tends to not care what spirituality one chooses to embrace during this very short time on earth. She isnt going to reject based on something so silly. Im not really sure you can clearly say the same thing of the Christian god. Thats how I interpreted the comment but who knows...
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Krimsa wrote:
Why was it 666? Robert Heinlein wrote a SciFi novel called "The Number of the Beast". It was based on a time/space travel device that was invented by one of the protagonists. The scientific foundation for the device was that of "a cubed cube". Basically, there are six directions - forward, backward, left, right, up, down - on three axis. (This isn't a very good description. Heinlein did it much better and more logically - and used a couple pages to do so.)
But the upshot was that the total number of "places" to which you could travel using this device was: six to the sixth power, raised to the sixth power. Or 6^6^6. The way Heinlein wrote it made a lot of sense. |
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Interesting. I like that explanation much better than what John thought it was. Some kind of "tattoo" put on members of the "godless gang" John must have spent a lot of time in prison.
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I studied this subject for four years. The way I did my study was much like an investigator would solve a crime. I started at the end of the book of Revelation, and worked my way back to the Begining of Genisis. My conclusion was that the "mark of the beast" is lying or any form of deceit! I believe it's a spiritual mark, you receive when you deny the Lord. Why would you believe that? |
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I studied this subject for four years. The way I did my study was much like an investigator would solve a crime. I started at the end of the book of Revelation, and worked my way back to the Begining of Genisis. My conclusion was that the "mark of the beast" is lying or any form of deceit! I believe it's a spiritual mark, you receive when you deny the Lord. Why would you believe that? Because I don't believe it would be a physical mark, although a physical mark could symbolize the spiritual mark. |
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Krimsa wrote: Why was it 666? Robert Heinlein wrote a SciFi novel called "The Number of the Beast". It was based on a time/space travel device that was invented by one of the protagonists. The scientific foundation for the device was that of "a cubed cube". Basically, there are six directions - forward, backward, left, right, up, down - on three axis. (This isn't a very good description. Heinlein did it much better and more logically - and used a couple pages to do so.)
But the upshot was that the total number of "places" to which you could travel using this device was: six to the sixth power, raised to the sixth power. Or 6^6^6. The way Heinlein wrote it made a lot of sense. That works well for the world at large Sky, unfortunately not for the book of the Hebrews. In the, or with the Hebrew alphabet each letter also designates a particular number - in the case af man "adam" [the first man] that number is 6, gods is 7 and jesus' is 8 - what does this mean - only that when john is writing to those churches the book was to be sent and read to - is that "they!" [not the whole world] would know what was meant by his meaning of 666. Now the book has survived and everybody and there brother is trying to make it have significance for now as they have done for most generations past also, over 200 prophcies have been given about al this over a 2 thousand year period of time so far, all of which can be readily seen were false, should tell everyone something don't ya think?] It was "REVELENT" for that time only, not now. makes for good writing and movies - but nothing else. |
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Henry Kissinger..... yep thats who everyone thought it was back in the 70's when i first got involved in this stuff. |
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