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Edited by
Krimsa
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The point is that is a load of crap and I have shown you this using your own copied and pasted materials in the past. Honey the only thing that I am copying and pasting is scrupture........... Im talking about the previous argument. When you had copied and pasted all of that information about Paganism and Witchcraft before reading it and I found the two sections discussing Neo paganism and Witchcraft indicating they held no belief in Satan.You had a fit.  You were talking about now.....don't bring past crap into it krimsa.....I only copy and paste when it's necessary to prove a point...and when I do this is what you always do......Once again your backed into a corner and fight anyway you can to get out.....I have clearly stated always what "I" feel about witchcraft......never said their were not bad or good witches just to me doesn't matter...because it is all of satan.....pretty simple...and ask me again and I will say the same. Does this mean they can't go on doing what they wish...not at all. How have you "backed me into a corner" exactly? Im not sure I follow. I am telling you what happened in a past debate. You were attempting to associate Witchcraft with Satanic worship in some respect and in your haste you copied and pasted a lengthy diatribe presumably you found on a Christian website. I read it and found where it discussed Wicca and Neo Paganism specifically and it stated that neither of these religions recognized a "devil" or "Satan" as they are depicted in the Christian faith. If you choose to believe (for whatever crazy reason) that Wiccans or Pagans today are "devil worshipers" than that is a grand sweeping generalization that has clearly been demonstrated to you to be erroneous. |
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. Exactly. Lets just drop it Feral because it is literally beating a dead horse. We had this argument over a month ago. No need to start in again. |
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie.  Can you give me an example or two of these "non lieing" truths you espouse?
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie. Can you give me an example or two of these "non lieing" truths you espouse? I love my daughter, is one. I am wearing a mustard yellow Adidas sweatshirt right now. |
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie. Can you give me an example or two of these "non lieing" truths you espouse? I love my daughter, is one. I am wearing a mustard yellow Adidas sweatshirt right now. Well i wont go into love, but i will go into color seeing I'm a retired professional colorist. the term you use for mustard color does not exist in color theory. you could stae it as munsell color notation, using x.y,z coridinates, or LCH*delta coordinates or LAB*delta co-ordinates, none of which would be called as mustard yellow. Mustard. apple green, banana yellow, Paris blue, ad infinitum are only concepts pleasing to the maker of such colors, even they when matching these color names use mun-sell notations or cmyk notations to tell the colorist what characteristics and values and shades and saturation of color they require to deem it this mustard yellow you say your wearing. Even mustard's are not all the same color. that is a lie - not the truth - hence my point it is not the intent but what one perceives as a lie that makes it a lie. |
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Men wrote the entire Bible. For the amount of time that Christ spent teaching. He said very little. And rarely if ever were people able to sway him off subject. I am courious why so many wish harm to the messenger though. I remember an old saying "God gave us two ears and one mouth, we should use them accordingly" I'm sorry but I just find this so funny considering how much you talk. 
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie. Can you give me an example or two of these "non lieing" truths you espouse? I love my daughter, is one. I am wearing a mustard yellow Adidas sweatshirt right now. Well i wont go into love, but i will go into color seeing I'm a retired professional colorist. the term you use for mustard color does not exist in color theory. you could stae it as munsell color notation, using x.y,z coridinates, or LCH*delta coordinates or LAB*delta co-ordinates, none of which would be called as mustard yellow. Mustard. apple green, banana yellow, Paris blue, ad infinitum are only concepts pleasing to the maker of such colors, even they when matching these color names use mun-sell notations or cmyk notations to tell the colorist what characteristics and values and shades and saturation of color they require to deem it this mustard yellow you say your wearing. Even mustard's are not all the same color. that is a lie - not the truth - hence my point it is not the intent but what one perceives as a lie that makes it a lie. Yes, but to me it is the color of mustard, so it is true to me. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 10/02/08 07:27 PM
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Wicca does not entertain the concept of Satan or a devil Feral. That is incorrect. It exists in Christianity, Catholicism and probably several other religions but not Wicca. In fact there is a theory that the physical conceptualization for a devil was actually rooted in the Pagan "horned god" and later images of Pan. If you scroll up a bit I posted some information on it.
pa·gan (pgn) n. 1. One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion. 2. One who has no religion. 3. A non-Christian. 4. A hedonist. 5. A Neo-Pagan. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... I'm not sure why you care, but I have studied Wicca, Gardanarian, Druid, and Dianic extensively. I have studied Egyptology, Buddhism, Native American, not so extensively. I am not a Neo-Pagan. I have attained thrid degree Gardanarian but I do not practice it any longer. I am certified by my church and the state of Ohio to perform marriage ceremonies. I study from books, I learn from life. Does that answer your question Deb? Not that I need to explain myself to you. |
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It is true that Satan is a Christian notion and that Pagans do not worship Satan. We don't even believe in such a "person". However, Christians do believe in Satan and believe that anyone who is not a follower of Christ is a follower of Satan. It doesn't matter that we don't call it "Satan", they believe it is. So, the argument is never going to go anywhere. I could say that I worship the goddess Hecate and Christians would say that is the same thing as worshipping Satan.
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... I'm not sure why you care, but I have studied Wicca, Gardanarian, Druid, and Dianic extensively. I have studied Egyptology, Buddhism, Native American, not so extensively. I am not a Neo-Pagan. I have attained thrid degree Gardanarian but I do not practice it any longer. I am certified by my church and the state of Ohio to perform marriage ceremonies. I study from books, I learn from life. Does that answer your question Deb? Not that I need to explain myself to you. Lily! That's cool. As a fellow Pagan, I'm impressed!
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 10/02/08 07:32 PM
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Then again my lady, i have to ask - What is truth? Anything that is not a lie. Can you give me an example or two of these "non lieing" truths you espouse? I love my daughter, is one. I am wearing a mustard yellow Adidas sweatshirt right now. Well i wont go into love, but i will go into color seeing I'm a retired professional colorist. the term you use for mustard color does not exist in color theory. you could stae it as munsell color notation, using x.y,z coridinates, or LCH*delta coordinates or LAB*delta co-ordinates, none of which would be called as mustard yellow. Mustard. apple green, banana yellow, Paris blue, ad infinitum are only concepts pleasing to the maker of such colors, even they when matching these color names use mun-sell notations or cmyk notations to tell the colorist what characteristics and values and shades and saturation of color they require to deem it this mustard yellow you say your wearing. Even mustard's are not all the same color. that is a lie - not the truth - hence my point it is not the intent but what one perceives as a lie that makes it a lie. Yes, but to me it is the color of mustard, so it is true to me. EXACTLY!! And for me it is not, therefore it's a lie as pertaining to color theory. All i'm getting at really is that lies are what one makes them to be - intentionally or un-intetntionally. just as truths are the same way.One mans truths are another mnan's lies and visa versa.
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Deb, I'm not going to state it again, Satan is a Christian concept, not a Pagan one... We do not believe in it's concept nor follow him as he is not a real entity to us.
Again, it's your hell, you burn in it. |
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EXACTLY!! And for me it is not, therefore it's a lie as pertaining to color theory. All i'm getting at really is that lies are what one makes them to be - intentionally or un-intetntionally. just as truths are the same way.One mans truths are another mnan's lies and visa versa. When I said to you mustard yellow did you know what I meant? That is not a lie. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... ..gentiles are non-jews..jews dont hold the concept of satan and dont believe in "original sin"...satan is a Roman Catholic concept adopted by the various "spin-off" christian based religions...demons come and go, but are not any where near the leauge Catholics have placed the "beast" Satan.... |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 10/02/08 07:45 PM
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Besides Deb, according to this simple definition, the Christians are the ones that sort of "exaggerated" the entire concept of hell.
Existence after life is not concrete in Judaism and may be portrayed as a state of neutrality, an eternal nothingness ("sheol", often translated as Hell), simply non-life. It was only a grave and you guys went nuts with all the hell and torture and eternal pain and damnation. Its overkill utilized with the sole intention of scaring the crap out of people in order that they go along with what you want them to do. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... ..gentiles are non-jews..jews dont hold the concept of satan and dont believe in "original sin"...satan is a Roman Catholic concept adopted by the various "spin-off" christian based religions...demons come and go, but are not any where near the leauge Catholics have placed the "beast" Satan.... Well I partially agree......and as a gentile.....When Christ died on the cross this also gave gentiles the right to be saved....true.....And as a gentile I do hold the concept of satan. And totally by the Catholic concept of satan. |
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I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was if lieing was a mark of the devil, and I'm pretty sure many of us put that to rest in many different ways. I'm not sure why we are debating if Pagans worship Satan.... I've been studying Paganism since I was 18, and never once did we even mention Satan. He is a Christian concept, and we are not Christian so I'm not sure why he gets lumped in with us. It's your hell, you burn in it. I don't at all this the original OP was saying that lying was the mark of the devil like your thinking.....it is satan that lies and deceits and does whatever it takes to bring people to see things in satans way....And if you love God....oh satan wants those people most of all.... now this is interesting I would like to know what form of paganism you have studied for 18 years. Paganism is a word used to refer to various religions and religious beliefs from across the world. But also the term m "pagan" is a Christian adaptation (besides "unbeliever", a more modern but less used form) of the "gentile" which is what I am. so are you a Neopaganist or a Neo-paganist..... satan, demons are not just a Christian concept.... Christians Baptist Bahi mormon Johovah witness Hindu Islam Judaism wicca Just to name a few.....so not limited to Christians....and many many more around the world...... ..gentiles are non-jews..jews dont hold the concept of satan and dont believe in "original sin"...satan is a Roman Catholic concept adopted by the various "spin-off" christian based religions...demons come and go, but are not any where near the leauge Catholics have placed the "beast" Satan.... Well I partially agree......and as a gentile.....When Christ died on the cross this also gave gentiles the right to be saved....true.....And as a gentile I do hold the concept of satan. And totally by the Catholic concept of satan. |
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