And that's no lie!

16 kai <2532> {AND} poiei <4160> (5719) {IT CAUSES} pantav <3956> {ALL,} touv <3588> {THE} mikrouv <3398> {SMALL} kai <2532> {AND} touv <3588> {THE} megalouv <3173> {GREAT,} kai <2532> {AND} touv <3588> {THE} plousiouv <4145> {RICH} kai <2532> {AND} touv <3588> {THE} ptwcouv <4434> {POOR,} kai <2532> {AND} touv <3588> {THE} eleuyerouv <1658> {FREE} kai <2532> {AND} touv <3588> {THE} doulouv <1401> {BONDMEN,} ina <2443> {THAT} dwsh <1325> (5661) {IT SHOULD GIVE} autoiv <846> {THEM} caragma <5480> {A MARK} epi <1909> thv <3588> """>---{ON}<---""" ceirov <5495> {HAND} autwn <846> thv <3588> {THEIR} dexiav <1188> {RIGHT,} h <2228> {OR} epi <1909> twn <3588> {ON} metwpwn <3359> {FOREHEADS} autwn <846> {THEIR;}

the original greek and the LXX and others say "ON" the hand or forhead, it's only the later translations that state "IN" otherwise you could be correct.

Maybe on the surface, such as a bar code. That interpetation was very popular yrs ago.

Yes!

well we have a difference of opinion i guess, from what i read it's to be taken symbolically as when god talks of putting his mark on those who are saved. i don't really take it literally. when john wrote this he states the book is a book of signs [symbols]and then uses the same language of the old prophets to state his case.if you look at zachariah and the rest you will see all this same symbolism that john uses and the readers then would have understood, the book of revelations is solely about what is to befall
Israel in AD 70 and has nothing to do with present times, the book even starts out by saying this is things that are shortly[soon] to come to pass - not thousands of years later. All that Christ talks of on this he also states that it's for that generation that these things will come to pass. the futurist/evangelical take on this being for now is a joke, unfortunately not a funny one. You, your children, your children children on and on will not see this mark of the beast written of in th book come to pass - NOW!! having said that - that does not exempt leaders and bankers and those behind the curtain's from using these anologies to meet their own desires to create a one world government/money monopolizing strategy for thier own selfish purposes as me and JB have been saying on here, but this will have nothing to do with god just greed and power.

*holds up hair, points to place on scalp, winks*

Mark if the beast is a biblical term and its only understood by people who read bible with good intentions and thus inspired by the Holy Spirit as the word was written with the inspiration of Gods Holy Ghost.

According to the bible recordings esp. in the book of Revelation it was recorded that there was a war in Heaven where Micheal and His royal angels forth with the Satan the old serpent or the dragon (devil) or the deciever or we could say the beast was cast down from Heaven to this earth therefore the bible continue to say woe to the earth for the Devil himself, the great deciever was cast down.

Whether we like it or not, we are either on Jesus side or devils side and only our character will tell on whic side we are....if our character is anti-christian we can recieve the tag of MARK OF THE BEAST (devils side). If we are bible beleiving Christian, we have the right to be on Christ side where we enjoy peace, harmony, & eternal life when Jesus comes back. He will only recognise people who share same interest as his.

How does one read the bible with bad intentions?

ikesalanu,


You are the guy that said god created the earth 2000 years ago. I am going to have to now take ANYTHING you say with a grain of salt.

I absolutely love how with some Christians it's "either or" thast is such a child like mentality.

If you're not my friend you are my enemy.

REALLY?

If you don't sit with me at lunch you're not my friend anymore.

REALLY?

Is your God so pias and arrogant that's how he sees it?

You don't have to believe in my Goddess she believes in you. She likes me more but she believes in you, no matter how much of a stick in the mud you are.

Another thing I prefer to the Pagan/Wiccan traditions is they dont go around performing militant conversions. When can you honestly say was the last time you were woken up at 9 am on a Saturday morning by a pack of proselytizing Wiccans?

We don't prostelitize, we don't want you, we actually send you away 3 or more times to make sure when you make that commitment it is a true commitment. If a coven or grove does not send you away, you don't want to be in that coven or grove.

Besides we won't be there at 9am on Saturday we're sleeping from our nameless faceless Pagan orgy from the night before....

(Last statement was inserted for shock value only, we don't do that, well unless they do it and don't send me the invite)

absolutely correct.

Don't see any difference with you and yours my sweet.....

Well historically, Christians have basically took the position that it is their way or the highway. If you choose not to believe in this based on faith alone, you might as well paint a target on your forehead. Luckily our modern day legal system no longer allows for persecution based on religious persuasion or lack there of. However, I can not count how many instances on this forum I have been told I am "going to hell" because I refuse to accept this. Thats the next best thing for them evidently.

Really, so if I die and have been wrong all of this time, your God will allow me into heaven?

How about this take on it:

The "dragon" refers to the draconian race of aliens from Orion. The Dracos look very much like the classic depiction of the Devil, with horns and a tail. (The royalty have bat-like wings.)The draconians are the dominate ruling race of the galaxy.

The "beasts" are humans, designed for the work of slaves. "Gods chosen people" were a slave race and the genetic offspring of the redesigned beings Adam and Eve.

"Satan" is not the "beast." He is probably the male draconian who rebelled against the ruling federation of draconians, a female dominated society, ruled by a queen.



That is not true. "Like it or not" we don't have to take sides in any battle. That is the old "you are either with me or against me" mentality that George Bush practices.

It is ridiculous for Christians to believe that, but believe they do. They believe that if you are not Christian then you are anti-Christian. They refuse to see the middle path of peace. They want to drag everyone into their religious wars.

Unless Christians are trying to force their doctrines down other people's throats and going around with the "convert or die" attitude, I have no problem with them or what they believe.

I don't like being told that I am on the side of their devil if I don't profess to accept Jesus as the savior of mankind and all the rest of that fictional doctrine. If they want to be delusional and think things like that, they they live in a fantasy world.

"Christians" told the Jews to "convert or die." Many of them converted, many fled to South America. In any case, its not right to try to force a person to accept a new faith. I'm sure that most Christians agree, but they still keep trying to win converts.

“The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.” --The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin

The romans hated the Jews and created Christianity as a new religion in an effort to cause them to be more docile and easier to control. Its all fictional.



Jesus is not coming back. Sorry to break it to you.

jb

Proverbs 3:4-7

4: So shalt thou find favour and good understanding In the sight of God and man.Let not mercy and truth forsake thee.

5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths.

7: Be not wise in thy own eyes, Revere the Lord, and depart from evil.

ditto

Psalms 58:3, "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."