superstition is a figment of your imagination.

re read my pst and i tell you that the union is causing the ceos to do the things they do. sheesh

gm doesnt make the salaries, the uaw makes the salaries.
blame the union for overpriced american cars. 20 bucks an hour to screw in a nut and bolt? mexicans will do it for 5 an hour in mexico. thats why ford shut down the ford truck plant in norfolk, va and sent the plant to mexico. blame the unions for causing american workers to be too expensive to hire.

hell would actually be a nice vacation

punish the ceo's for being accomplished professionals? that doesnt seem fair. how bout we cut blue collar workers salaries and get rid of unions. it is the unions, which by the way, demanding $20 an hour for someone to install a door on a car! that is why american automakers are outsourcing jobs to other countries. blame the unions. a mexican worker will install the same door on that same car for $5 an hour.

the layoffs are due to the big three complying to the rules of the stimulus package. and the reason people arent buying american is because of social programs draining the economy of money. nothing is free. some one has to pay for social programs. that someone is the american taxpayer. and if so many people are drawing from the social program coffer and not many are contributing, then we have a reccession of government funds. hence the economy suffers and people lose money and jobs and cant afford to buy an american car. its social welfare that is to blame for this reccession.

personally i was just trying to find a thread where i can voice my right wing opinion.

true. i was getting to those points eventually.

my life is good cause of bushes stance on military issues.

now my question to you is how is obama going to fix bush's "mistakes"?

another question. how is it bush's fault that social program abuse caused the downfall of our economy?

and this bill was supposed to save or create jobs? why did gm have to fire all those workers just to comply to the stimulus bill?

By Nick Bunkley

New York Times

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Detroit —- General Motors, which must submit a satisfactory restructuring plan to the government next week to keep billions of dollars in loans, said Tuesday that it would lay off 10,000 salaried workers worldwide this year and reduce pay for those who remain by as much as 10 percent.

The announcement comes a week after GM extended more buyout and early retirement offers to its hourly work force and three months after it shed 5,100 salaried jobs, also through buyouts.

This time, however, the cuts are being made through layoffs rather than voluntary programs because the government loan terms prevent GM from using money from its overfunded pension fund to pay for buyout packages, as it has previously.

“There may be some opportunities for people to volunteer, but they’re essentially involuntary,” a GM spokesman, Tom Wilkinson, said. GM, whose sales fell 11 percent globally in 2008, said it plans to cut 3,400 of its 29,500 salaried jobs in the United States, mostly by May 1. Workers who lose their jobs will receive severance payments, benefit contributions and help finding new work. Most would get less money than they would have by leaving the company during last year’s buyouts.

Because GM is using taxpayer money to avoid having to file for bankruptcy protection, it must bring payments to departing workers more in line with what is typical of companies in other industries.

Starting May 1, most salaried workers in the United States will receive what GM characterized as a temporary pay cut. The reductions range from 10 percent for executives to 3 percent to 7 percent for other employees. GM plans to review the pay cuts at the end of this year.

The company said it might also reduce pay for workers in other countries.

GM’s chief executive, Rick Wagoner, has already agreed to work for $1 a year until the company can repay its loans to the government. It has borrowed $9.4 billion so far and is scheduled to receive a third installment of $4 billion as soon as next week.

The latest cuts amount to 14 percent of the 73,000 salaried workers it employs worldwide.

As part of its restructuring, GM has said it needs to eliminate about 31,500 hourly and salaried employees.

Its crosstown rival, Chrysler, which has borrowed $4 billion from the government, also is cutting thousands of jobs. Each of the three Detroit automakers, including the Ford Motor Co., which is not taking federal aid, have eliminated tens of thousands of jobs since 2006.

according to the liberals, socialism is the answer?

hmmm. no one to retort to my last post.

seriously dude. arguing with me about bushes mistakes wont accomplish a fixing of those mistakes. the only one that can fix such mistakes is our socialist liberal president obama. we must look at what he will do to ensure that everyone must answer for financial decisions. thats what his stimulous bill is all about. funny that all but 3 gop congress members opposed the stimulous package.

gimme gimme gimme. notice how she didnt ask for a job, or education to get a better job. no no no. working is too hard. she demands a house! a freaking house!!! not a job so she can earn a title of home owner like so many americans have done by working. nope she wants a house for free!!

do you mean whopper?

you cant answer my question? is it really that difficult? or are you going to continue to debate the tired old bush sucks arguement? last i checked, obama was inagurated on jan 20 2009. so that means that he is going to "fix bushes mistakes." and the only way he wants to fix it is by converting to socialism.

tell me how obamas socialist porkulous packages will do any better. the liberals are driving this country into a more government dependent society. and national healthcare will only cripple the healthcare system. the doctors wont get paid as well so they will close shop. yay free healthcare. you liberal idiots wantwed this socialist clown to do it. now you shall reap what you sow.

this goes to show that obama supporters are all about gimme gimme gimme. then they ridicule the people that are succesful and make a living. now the government is going to pay to help those that dont want to work.

sorry if the spellings vad I'm drunk and I dobt five a shjt

hey I say **** angels cause they only come to give you bad news and thay ;only gige you bad sit and ****. why is it that thay only come to tell you that death is nearm then they co.e with swords and ****. what the **** are they gonna do ****img cut your ****ing gead off before you die. **** **** religion and all it stands for