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Topic: Christian Persecution - an aggresive cancer growing rampantl
Lindyy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 09:17 AM

I received the following in my E-mail, I get updates from ALJ,
American Center for Law and Justice headed by Jay Sekulow The well known attorney in Constitutional Rights, battling in the highest court of all, The US Supreme Court. Also, appellate courts all over the USA.

The Message in my E-Mail of this date:

"The ACLJ is engaged in a new legal battle that may very well shock you who are Christians. (note: he said "Christians" EMPHAIS ADDED BY LINDYY)

It blatantly exposes the fact that you can be discriminated against for your faith.

Here's the situation: Gina, a college student whom the ACLJ represents, is facing discrimination in her 'Intro to Philosophy' class, a REQUIRED course at her college.

Gina had PERFECT grades on her Philosophy class assignments - UNTIL SHE TOOK A STAND FOR HER FAITH, IN OPPOSITION TO HER PROFESSOR (emphasis by Lindyy).

The professor has not only docked her grades - he has also repeatedly derided Gina for her faith.

*******(Does ''derided'' seem too strong a word? Decide for yourself: He has called her ''close-minded",''uncritical,'' ''hurtful,'' and ''blinded by belief'' simply because SHE WOULD NOT ADOPT HIS WAY OF THINKING.(emphasis added by Lindyy)**************

He said that to engage in dialogue, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE POSIBIBLITY THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST! (emphasis added by Lindyy) Also, students could opt out of the final if they would PUT IN WRITING THAT 'WE HAVE NO FREE WILL')(emphais added by Lindyy)

The ACLJ is already working on this. These are GLARING ACTS OF HOSTILITY TOWARD A CHRISTIAN (emphasis added by Lindyy), and we are committed to setting this legal battle right - even if it means filing a lawsuit in federal court.

This would be an outrage (AND UTTERLY UNCONSITUTIONAL) even if it only affected Gina - but IT DOESN'T STOP THERE (emphasis by Lindyy).

If this professor can get away with doing this to Gina, anyone can do it to YOU ... or your children, your grandchildren, your loved ones, your neighbors, members of your church ... anyone.

And not just in schools - but on the job, in places of business, or in courts of law.

We've sent a legal memorandum demanding that the school end its discriminating actions against Gina or face a federal lawsuit."

*******(Does ''derided'' seem too strong a word? Decide for yourself: He has called her ''close-minded",''uncritical,'' ''hurtful,'' and ''blinded by belief'' simply because SHE WOULD NOT ADOPT HIS WAY OF THINKING.(emphasis added by Lindyy)**************

OMG - I am subject to the above paragraph EVERY DAY here on this JSH CURRENT NEWS/EVENTS site! NO MATTER WHAT I SAY,THINK OR BELIEVE, I am told the exact words stated above that this so-called lunatic professor has called and said to Gina plus I AM BESTOWED THE HONOR of having a few more little out of line adjectives tossed my way!!!!

This hatred is spreading like an aggresive cancer!!!

Thank God for honest and upright men such as Jay Sekulow and the ACLJ!!:smile: :heart:

Lindyy
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Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/09/08 09:22 AM
This is a repeat post.

Peccy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 09:45 AM
Such are the winds of change and advancement. That was a horribly biased story. Makes me wonder how much it has been changed?

no photo
Fri 05/09/08 11:11 AM

Such are the winds of change and advancement. That was a horribly biased story. Makes me wonder how much it has been changed?


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2000468/posts

http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=615

Other than the emphasis and commentary, there is nothing changed in the story.

Lindyy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 11:23 AM

This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy

Lindyy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 11:29 AM

Such are the winds of change and advancement. That was a horribly biased story. Makes me wonder how much it has been changed?


http://www.aclj.org/

No story, sir, lawsuit in the makings.

Whoever you are, go to the ACLJ site and prove what an uneducated person you are. This is a case that the ACLJ is handling; believe me, that tremendous 'constitutional rights' firm does not take anything unless it is thoroughly investigated.

And, why do I have the feeling you will never go to the site as you do not want to hear the truth or have it exposed to the citizens of this country.laugh laugh Sorry, it is being exposed, TV, radio, newspapers. Sorry Charlie.

Lindyy
:heart:

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/09/08 11:35 AM


This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy



If there are so many of them why post the same thing twice? I already commented on the other one of the same and had no need to repeat myself.

If she had followed the rules to begin with this would not have happened to her. Religion is to be kept out of public institutions because of respect. Not everyone is religious nor are they the same religion as she is. Respect. Keep religion at home where it belongs and there will be no problems.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/09/08 11:45 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 05/09/08 11:47 AM


This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy



Are you insinuateing that Liberals cant be christians?

Posts like this make me doubt your christianity Lindy!!
Cant you participate in a debate without spewing hatred towards other posters? She didnt say jack about christians in her post.
Even if she had, which she didnt,
If I remember correctly God says turn the other cheek.

It takes more than self-proclaimed rightousness to be a Christian (IMO). It takes actions!!

Oops, I forgot, :heart: :heart:

Lindyy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 12:09 PM



This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy



If there are so many of them why post the same thing twice? I already commented on the other one of the same and had no need to repeat myself.

If she had followed the rules to begin with this would not have happened to her. Religion is to be kept out of public institutions because of respect. Not everyone is religious nor are they the same religion as she is. Respect. Keep religion at home where it belongs and there will be no problems.


dragon:

OH, what happened to me? Did I miss something somewhere?laugh

Your post is soooooooooooooLAME. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, YOU ARE NOW IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT - FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

Who, in the name of God are YOU to say where religion belongs? HA.

Your opinion my dear, does not and NEVER will rule or run the USA. noway noway So sorry Charlie.

My oh my, I would think you would know better than to try to make YOUR wants the law of the land.

The entire post I orignially made was regarding a federal lawsuit, and there are tons of cases like 'Ginas.'

I know, I know, you just cringe at the thought of someone practicing their right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I refer you to the First Amendment of the USA.

Linndyy
:smile: :smile: :smile: :heart: :heart:

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/09/08 12:49 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 05/09/08 12:56 PM
Sooo christian like Lindy...noway noway noway :cry:brokenheart

franshade's photo
Fri 05/09/08 12:53 PM
yawn yawn are we there yet yawn yawn

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/09/08 12:55 PM

yawn yawn are we there yet yawn yawn


Where? OZ?

No dear you took a wrong turn. This definitely isn't OZ!!bigsmile

Lindyy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 12:56 PM



This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy



Are you insinuateing that Liberals cant be christians?

Posts like this make me doubt your christianity Lindy!!
Cant you participate in a debate without spewing hatred towards other posters? She didnt say jack about christians in her post.
Even if she had, which she didnt,
If I remember correctly God says turn the other cheek.

It takes more than self-proclaimed rightousness to be a Christian (IMO). It takes actions!!

Oops, I forgot, :heart: :heart:


OH, Fanta, you know better. Try another approach, leave out the 'reverse psychology'. bigsmile

Good Lord

Lindyy
:heart:

Peccy's photo
Fri 05/09/08 01:31 PM


Such are the winds of change and advancement. That was a horribly biased story. Makes me wonder how much it has been changed?


http://www.aclj.org/

No story, sir, lawsuit in the makings.

Whoever you are, go to the ACLJ site and prove what an uneducated person you are. This is a case that the ACLJ is handling; believe me, that tremendous 'constitutional rights' firm does not take anything unless it is thoroughly investigated.

And, why do I have the feeling you will never go to the site as you do not want to hear the truth or have it exposed to the citizens of this country.laugh laugh Sorry, it is being exposed, TV, radio, newspapers. Sorry Charlie.

Lindyy
:heart:
Truth, the whole "religion" thing is based on fables. Not one shred of evidence exist to prove he does or doesn't exist.

Wake up, and just how chistian is it to have a pic like the one you have? Put 'em away grandma and stop trying to make it seem like your way is the only way.

Everyone does not have the deeply rooted beliefs that you do. Some of us are actually free thinkers!

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/09/08 02:21 PM
laugh laugh laugh

I think you killed it peccydrinker

franshade's photo
Fri 05/09/08 02:57 PM
yayyyyyyyyyyyy Peccy flowerforyou

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/09/08 03:02 PM
Damn evangelistgrumble grumble

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 05/09/08 03:05 PM
Edited by cutelildevilsmom on Fri 05/09/08 03:08 PM
I would think if you are at college ,you would be open to listening to other points of view .doesn't mean you have to agree with them.If the student wanted to hear one point of view she should have gone to Oral roberts University or something.Philosophy is about all points of view not just one religion.Besides the article sounds bias.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/09/08 03:10 PM




This is a repeat post.


WRONG, there are many stories like this one that the ACLJ has handled.

What's wrong dragon, does this exposure upset you and your liberal ways?

If you feel it is a repeat, SO WHAT? Why bother to post other than to spew off your hatred for Christians.

http://www.aclj.org/

go read for yourself.


Lindyy



If there are so many of them why post the same thing twice? I already commented on the other one of the same and had no need to repeat myself.

If she had followed the rules to begin with this would not have happened to her. Religion is to be kept out of public institutions because of respect. Not everyone is religious nor are they the same religion as she is. Respect. Keep religion at home where it belongs and there will be no problems.


dragon:

OH, what happened to me? Did I miss something somewhere?laugh

Your post is soooooooooooooLAME. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, YOU ARE NOW IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT - FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

Who, in the name of God are YOU to say where religion belongs? HA.

Your opinion my dear, does not and NEVER will rule or run the USA. noway noway So sorry Charlie.

My oh my, I would think you would know better than to try to make YOUR wants the law of the land.

The entire post I orignially made was regarding a federal lawsuit, and there are tons of cases like 'Ginas.'

I know, I know, you just cringe at the thought of someone practicing their right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I refer you to the First Amendment of the USA.

Linndyy
:smile: :smile: :smile: :heart: :heart:


LOL, freedom of religion guarentees that noone will be prosecuted for their choice of religion it does not say that everyone has to be a part of their religion. Nor does everyone have to listen to it daily or at a public institution. Nor does everyone have to like their religion, agree with their religion, want to be converted to their religion, etc....

So whatever you want to say but keep the religion at home and private like it is supposed to be and there will not be silly law suits about religion.

no photo
Fri 05/09/08 03:25 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/09/08 03:28 PM
Apparently the statement she was supposed to sign was not about not having "Free Will" according to what I found on the website you listed.

JB

Also, students could opt out of the final if they would PUT IN WRITING THAT 'WE HAVE NO FREE WILL')(emphais added by Lindyy)


If the above is true, I would have to agree that this is something the professor should not have done.

I would have used my free will and told him to stuff a sock in it. Then I may have filed a suit against him too.


UPDATE: Protecting Gina's First Amendment Rights

We continue to work on behalf of Gina, the college student in Suffolk County, New York who is experiencing problems in her college philosophy class due to her faith.

Although Gina maintains a 3.9 overall GPA and did very well on the first few philosophy class assignments, her grades in the philosophy course dropped significantly after the question of God’s existence and attributes became the focus of class discussion. Gina read the assigned materials and participated in class discussions, presenting traditional philosophical arguments on whether God exists and whether He possesses certain characteristics such as being all-knowing or all-good. However, Gina was unwilling to state that she would reconsider her personal religious beliefs on God’s nature and existence, and her grades suffered as a result. The professor has stated that it is his job to get students to reject a belief in a sacred or unquestionable “truth” in favor of the “rational” view that science, logic, and philosophy are the only reliable sources of “truth.” While public college professors may encourage students to discuss and debate various philosophies and worldviews, they may not grade students upon their willingness to make personal, value-based statements or to abandon their religious faith.

One class assignment is particularly troubling. The professor stated that he would increase any student’s grade on a previous assignment to a 100 if he or she made the following statement on the course’s online message board: “I am _____________ (put your name here). I am not free because I am determined.”

The sole basis for determining whether a student would receive free points is his or her willingness to make this personal, faith-based claim. Gina was posed with the difficult choice of either violating her religious beliefs by publicly declaring, “I am Gina. I am not free because I am determined” or being penalized by failing to receive extra points like her classmates. Although most or all of the rest of the class made the required statement and took the points, Gina chose to adhere to her faith because she could not, in good conscience, make that statement. This is not an example of philosophical discussion and debate but rather a professor using his position of authority to force students to state their personal agreement with his philosophical viewpoints.

We sent a letter to the college’s attorney regarding the denial of Gina’s First Amendment rights, but the school’s initial response was unsatisfactory. We just sent a follow-up letter to the college detailing more troubling facts of this case and requesting a prompt response to avoid litigation. We will keep you posted on this situation.


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