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No where in the bible does it say its a sin to be rich. Lets see, King David and King Solomon were both rich and they supposedly went to heaven.
These are different times. Back they you were usually rich because you mistreated and persecuted the poor. You can get rich today just by being talented or working hard. |
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The Rich think that to be prosperous you have to the big house, the luxuory/sport car, the big bank account and other material wealth but the Biblical sense of prosperity is family, friends, health and sprirtual wealth.
When you look at Jesus's life he spent it in proverty but had friend with his disciples, feed the plenty with bread and fish, and heal the sick. Though Jesus was decendent from nobility he didn't live like nobility. So there is a clash of rich/material wealth and poor/spritual wealth. Jesus said to chose spritual wealth. Jesus taught that you should not put your faith in material things but build your faith in sprirt and then you will be able to receieve the kingdom of Heaven. When you look the the new capitalist churches that say material wealth is the reward for believers "faith" then that is totally backward to what Jesus taught. |
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Rabbit... it is the lOVE of money that is the root of all evil...not money itself. The bible is talking about those who horde money upon themselves, and have no mercy for the poor. Rabbit...there is a BIG difference between You having WEALTH ... versus Wealth having YOU . A lot of people take scripture out of context, and therefore ,make the Word say anything they want it to say.... One needs to Study the WHOLE Word, not just part. But first, one needs to be born again , in order for the Word to make sense. Abra has already explained the flaw in this logic of being born again first. You would need to understand the Bible to Believe that Jesus is the lord. Only when you thought he was the lord would you ask him into your heart. Then you would be born again. So if you cannot understand the Bible until your born again then it is impossible. This seems like a pretty easy concept to remember |
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Rabbit...listen Precious...... God says in His Word, I would have you PROSPER, even as thy SOUL prospereth...... Now...listen my friend......carefully...cause the enemy of your soul has LIED to you enough about what God's Word REAllY SAYS!! WHEN YOU PROSPER AS YOUR SOUL PROSERS , YOU ARE GOING TO HANDLE MONEY IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT...PLEASING TO GOD..AND USE IT WISELY..AND WILL ALSO GIVE WISELY AS GOD DIRECTS. Read Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be Given.....(I'll let you go find the scripture and read the rest yousrelf ) ALso.. find this in the bible. I let you look this up also ... "God owns the cattle on a thousansd hills...." Rabbit.....IF heaven is so rich, that it even has its streets paved in gold...... do you HONESTLY think that God is going to have a problem with you having wealth ..... here on earth? NO!!!! BUT.... it is HOW you HANDLE your wealth that could be the problem. !!! Not the HAVING of wealth. Everyone wants to dance around the words Jesus actually said. There is no way to escape all of his quotes. The money changers, The camel, what you do to the least. It is one of the cornerstones if not thee corner stone. If you think that you are not run by money then why do you let your government do things to people that are good for the bottom line monetarily but not caring for the poor? You are the person that you talk about that would rather hold on to the few dollars that they have in this earth when it is clear it means nothing after death. The words Jesus spoke are important. Not just some piece of the puzzle. If he is God then he is the KEY. His words are supream. His words are most important. |
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If being rich is a sin,than I'm going strait to Heaven. I'm as poor as a church mouse.
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The bible does Not teach that it is a sin to be rich. I once knew a person that was doing something wrong, Not wrong like Against the criminal law, But the person knew that what he wore doing was wrong, And did not feel good about it inside. that person always was trying to justify himself, Always trying to make others believe that he was happy and satisfied with himself. He would make a statment that he knew was not true, So that others would try to explain it to him, He knew thay would, And he would then try to argue with them. He had to argue, to try and justify himself, to try and make others look bad, like thay wore wrong, not him. And he lived unhappily ever after. The End. just a story Ya'll might enjoy. Any ladies want out there want to chat? I do enjoy this story. I think it is a perfect example of the way our society is so caught up in material things that we would rather twist the word of God to fit our circumstances as opposed to making our lives fit the word. Maybe I should go about this a diffrent way. Do you think the very poor Christians in the world think that Jesus was just talking about how you feel inside and not about how your really live your life? Do you think they watch the rich Christian that has crazy wealth that they cannot even imagine while they have a hard time just feeding their children every day. Then the poor man says opens his Bible reads those words and thinks "I bet Jesus just meant this as something you feel, not a real action at all" |
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Merry Meet,
As you can tell, I don't live my life by the Bible. If is said to be Rich is a Sin i the Bible So. What kind of Rich they are talking about? Is is Rich in Money, Rich in Love, Rich In Happiness, Or Rich in any other Emotion or such thngs in life, that we are most Happiest. Now how could that be a Sin? To be Rich in anything is Great. Im Rich in my Knowledge of my Faith. That makes Me Enlighted and Happy, is that a Sin too? Just as any Christian would be Rich in the beliefs of Jesus, I guess that would be concidered a Sin too?... Just my thoughts, not try to get people angry.. Love & Light GeminiGoddess
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It is not being a zealot to speak the truth about one's beliefs. It is not being a zealot to care about others nor to be sick of the lies and bullying of others. "There is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit." Thanks Britty for sticking up for me He didn't offend me though |
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Merry Meet, As you can tell, I don't live my life by the Bible. If is said to be Rich is a Sin i the Bible So. What kind of Rich they are talking about? Is is Rich in Money, Rich in Love, Rich In Happiness, Or Rich in any other Emotion or such thngs in life, that we are most Happiest. Now how could that be a Sin? To be Rich in anything is Great. Im Rich in my Knowledge of my Faith. That makes Me Enlighted and Happy, is that a Sin too? Just as any Christian would be Rich in the beliefs of Jesus, I guess that would be concidered a Sin too?... Just my thoughts, not try to get people angry.. Love & Light GeminiGoddess No I am being clear this is only monetary wealth that Jesus spoke out against. 
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Thu 05/08/08 08:18 AM
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from the net...
Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus This is the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, spoken by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Lazarus and the rich man die Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. Rich man's 1st plea In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame." The Gulf But Abraham said, "Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us." |
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It is not being a zealot to speak the truth about one's beliefs. It is not being a zealot to care about others nor to be sick of the lies and bullying of others. "There is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit." Thanks Britty for sticking up for me He didn't offend me though That was not for you, and well you know it. |
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This is just another thread that begins with a false statement:
------------------------------- Read the whole story, Pray for the Holy spirit to give understanding: The story points out that: Jesus looked at this man and loved him. Anyone who had more than food, clothing and shelter would have been considered rich. Jesus did not criticize the man for being rich—He loved him. Therefore it is obvious the great wealth was not the man’s problem but rather how it affected his relationship with God. As God is love, relationships are of prime importance to God. If wealth was a problem how would the following have taken place:: Deuteronomy 8 18 “And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.” Many of the people obviously approved by God in the Old Testament were wealthy. Job, Abraham, Jacob (Israel), and Solomon are good examples. If God wanted His “best” people to stay poor, would the following scene have taken place? 1 Kings 3 5 At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night; and God said, “Ask! What shall I give you?” 6 And Solomon said: “You have shown great mercy to Your servant* David my father, because he walked before You in truth, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with You; You have continued this great kindness for him, and You have given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day. 7 Now, O LORD my God, You have made Your servant king instead of my father David, but I am a little child; I do not know how to go out or come in. 8 And Your servant is in the midst of Your people whom You have chosen, a great people, too numerous to be numbered or counted. 9 Therefore give to Your servant an understanding heart to judge Your people, that I may discern between good and evil. For who is able to judge this great people of Yours?” 10 The speech pleased the LORD, that Solomon had asked this thing. 11 Then God said to him: “Because you have asked this thing, and have not asked long life for yourself, nor have asked riches for yourself, nor have asked the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern justice, 12 behold, I have done according to your words; see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. 13 And I have also given you what you have not asked: both riches and honor, so that there shall not be anyone like you among the kings all your days. "He who has ears, let him hear" |
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Look in the mirror.....yea face is totally straight...not even a smile. I would totally give everything he asked.....Yes Yes Yes.....The whole point of it is to not put credence in wordly things....because do you take it with you silly wabbit? Nope.....So kind of a mudane thing to say, "Those with the most toys wins" Because in reality those that Love the Lord about and beyond all of it....and who's faith is unwavering are the true winners. And get something rabbit it has nothing to do with the wealth as much as it does the priority. If people make money their God.....well thats all well and good....but you ain't going to heaven. Jesus says you are blessed if you understand where to put and how to deal with your worldly stuff....money, toys, etc. He gives me many many blessings including money...but I in turn give it back...not because it's expected of me....but because I want to. From where I stand you would rather twist the very clear words of Jesus then to part with what you have. I see that you try to get out from under this very clear message. Like I said earlier. Even if youy made one of these disappear by warping the message of Jesus there are many more. The tossing of the money changers, blessed are the poor, what you do to the least of my brothers. Etc.. This is not some type of message that you can make disapeare. You will not live up to it. You would rather hold on to the things of this world and twist the words of God then to follow them. Sorry love no twisting here....it is what it is...and if you want to read into something else...well my sweet your choice. Do you even understand why Jesus did what he did to the money changers and the Synagogue, or what exactly is meant by blessed be the poor? And I do understand and I do live up to it....but putting the wordly ways out of my life...and living as Christ intended...And don't you have that a lil mixed up wabbit.....I know not to hold onto the things of the world...so why you would say above that I would not live up to it, and that I would rather hold onto the things of the world....lil confused there silly wabbit.....twix are for kids...and you my love will never twic me....so look in the mirror and see who is trying to trick God......Because he knows my heart.......hmmmm Does he know yours? |
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This is just another thread that begins with a false statement: ------------------------------- Read the whole story, Pray for the Holy spirit to give understanding: The story points out that: Jesus looked at this man and loved him. Anyone who had more than food, clothing and shelter would have been considered rich. Jesus did not criticize the man for being rich—He loved him. Therefore it is obvious the great wealth was not the man’s problem but rather how it affected his relationship with God. As God is love, relationships are of prime importance to God. If wealth was a problem how would the following have taken place:: Deuteronomy 8 18 “And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.” Many of the people obviously approved by God in the Old Testament were wealthy. Job, Abraham, Jacob (Israel), and Solomon are good examples. If God wanted His “best” people to stay poor, would the following scene have taken place? 1 Kings 3 5 At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night; and God said, “Ask! What shall I give you?” 6 And Solomon said: “You have shown great mercy to Your servant* David my father, because he walked before You in truth, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with You; You have continued this great kindness for him, and You have given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day. 7 Now, O LORD my God, You have made Your servant king instead of my father David, but I am a little child; I do not know how to go out or come in. 8 And Your servant is in the midst of Your people whom You have chosen, a great people, too numerous to be numbered or counted. 9 Therefore give to Your servant an understanding heart to judge Your people, that I may discern between good and evil. For who is able to judge this great people of Yours?” 10 The speech pleased the LORD, that Solomon had asked this thing. 11 Then God said to him: “Because you have asked this thing, and have not asked long life for yourself, nor have asked riches for yourself, nor have asked the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern justice, 12 behold, I have done according to your words; see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. 13 And I have also given you what you have not asked: both riches and honor, so that there shall not be anyone like you among the kings all your days. "He who has ears, let him hear" None of these words are from the mouth of Jesus. This is also one small instance compared to so many that Jesus made clear in his words. Why cling to the one instead of the many from the mouth of God himself? The people you listed where kings, leaders of people. The wealth that they had was a communal wealth to be shared with the people that they lived with possibly. I don't think any of you are kings? ( although you live like them) What about the Rich man that ends up in hell just for being Rich while Lazarus is in Heaven. This parable is so clear surely no one can distort it. You won't say that a needle is really a huge rock wall, or that the money changers were really thieves not people like us. At what point do you stop changing the words and just trust that Jesus knew what he was saying? |
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Rabbit... it is the lOVE of money that is the root of all evil...not money itself. The bible is talking about those who horde money upon themselves, and have no mercy for the poor. Rabbit...there is a BIG difference between You having WEALTH ... versus Wealth having YOU . A lot of people take scripture out of context, and therefore ,make the Word say anything they want it to say.... One needs to Study the WHOLE Word, not just part. But first, one needs to be born again , in order for the Word to make sense. Abra has already explained the flaw in this logic of being born again first. You would need to understand the Bible to Believe that Jesus is the lord. Only when you thought he was the lord would you ask him into your heart. Then you would be born again. So if you cannot understand the Bible until your born again then it is impossible. This seems like a pretty easy concept to remember Abra is a false teacher and a self proclaimed enemy of Christianity by his own admissions. hE VILLIFIES cHRISTIANITY AND MISREPRESENTS IT WILLFULLY AND WITH MAILICIOUS INTENT TO CONFUSE AND ALLIENATE THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW THE bIBLE. He is rebuked and refuted and corrected and warned by those that do know the Bible's contents and its message and it has been sufficiently and openly shown him withe scriptures that he is maligning and deceiving others intentionally. He also employs villifying the Bible to propogate his own contrivances in Patheism. He does so to make his own religious dogma sand. It cannot stand alone without his perversions of the Bible. He requires the Bible be perverted to establish the false ground of his fabrications. And you ascribe your motives to be absolved of your own due diligence and be subscribed to the rants of a liar? That is your own incredibility and willful distortion. Your own distortions are only eclipsed by your arrogance and self righteous insults and deceptive hidden agendas to villify the truth of Christianity when you further attempt to prop yourself upo with a proven liar and false teacher that cannot be truthful and diligent in his works. despicable. 
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from the net... Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus This is the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, spoken by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Lazarus and the rich man die Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. Rich man's 1st plea In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame." The Gulf But Abraham said, "Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us." The rich man....was a participant in GLUTTONY, GREED, PRIDE perhaps.......he died in spirit long before he died..for he was selfish....Do you even read these things you keep posting? You are contradicting yourself.......re-read this passage with a light heart my friend... 
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The bible does Not teach that it is a sin to be rich. I once knew a person that was doing something wrong, Not wrong like Against the criminal law, But the person knew that what he wore doing was wrong, And did not feel good about it inside. that person always was trying to justify himself, Always trying to make others believe that he was happy and satisfied with himself. He would make a statment that he knew was not true, So that others would try to explain it to him, He knew thay would, And he would then try to argue with them. He had to argue, to try and justify himself, to try and make others look bad, like thay wore wrong, not him. And he lived unhappily ever after. The End. just a story Ya'll might enjoy. Any ladies want out there want to chat? I do enjoy this story. I think it is a perfect example of the way our society is so caught up in material things that we would rather twist the word of God to fit our circumstances as opposed to making our lives fit the word. Maybe I should go about this a diffrent way. Do you think the very poor Christians in the world think that Jesus was just talking about how you feel inside and not about how your really live your life? Do you think they watch the rich Christian that has crazy wealth that they cannot even imagine while they have a hard time just feeding their children every day. Then the poor man says opens his Bible reads those words and thinks "I bet Jesus just meant this as something you feel, not a real action at all" the implication also applies to you, rabbit. that is what parallel I seee in the sharing of this story. Perhaps that perspective has flown over your head. I am not speaking for the poster of thses remarks, whose story was shared here. I am speaking to how I see it applying to you. My meaning? You are not above your own judgements. You, as I, are quite capable of looking at all things written both ways. Hypocrisy is known to exist in the world and we are all aware of it. It is not unique to me to look for it. Nor to you. Wear what fits.
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Edited by
Britty
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Thu 05/08/08 11:17 AM
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rabbit said: QUOTE: None of these words are from the mouth of Jesus. This is also one small instance compared to so many that Jesus made clear in his words. Why cling to the one instead of the many from the mouth of God himself? END OF QUOTE. ---------------- The mouth of God himself? - You have said in a previous thread that Jesus is not God. I am not clinging to one, merely quoted one example. And that was the very reason I chose this one!!!!!! Ask yourself the same question - take everything in context. Everything, not just a few words that you think that you can use to confuse or deceive others. |
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Edited by
Britty
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Thu 05/08/08 11:20 AM
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------------------------------- At what point do you stop changing the words and just trust that Jesus knew what he was saying? mmm Rabbit, I guess you were talking to yourself? |
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