Buying goods and then selling them at a higher price. Getting as much as you possibly can for your product.

Doesn't sound like capitalism to me

Do you know one of the big reasons for Luthers success. At the time rich people would sin it up and then pay for masses to be said on their behalf. They could basically buy their way into heaven. It seems rich people have all the luck. I wonder what Jesus would say about it?

Yahshua when speaking these words also spoke of give to him who would ask you. Having money is not a problem. Why was David so High on Yahweh's lists? He brought the poor into his house to feast with him. He did not have a class of people depending on thier wealth. Debt is spoken about as something Yahweh's people are not to do with the outsider but within the brotherhood with no Interest. Ps 15 speaks well of this...

Ps 15

Yahweh, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill?

2 He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
3 He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
4 In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear Yahweh;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
5 He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.

He who does these things shall never be moved.
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These things Yahshua spoke of. By calling the scriptures old from before Yahshua takes thier meaning out of them.Every 50 years was called the year of release when the fathers generation if they had lost or sold thier inheritance it came back to them. What was given from the beginning was fair and equal and is to be now. Thus the man on the road who had been robbed who was his friend? The religious elite spoken of in Math 23 speaks the same today they put heavy burdens on you and yet will not lift a finger themselves. Our rich multi million dollar preachers. Are they following Yahshua's example?

Matt 6:25-27
Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air , for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
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This here we have Yahweh telling him to Follow him 1st Yahweh knows what you need. But we are all his tools. so when give to him that would ask of you, u are to do just that. many examples was given about giving not to the temple but to your fellow man.

Here Yahshua gives a clear example of what he meant about Following Yahweh 1st.

Matt 8:20-22

20 And Yahshua said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, "Master, let me first go and bury my father."

22 But Yahshua said to him, "Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead."
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Then we see after the Holy spirit was given how the people gave freely and if you would read on it will tell you what happenes to those who would lie to the Holy Spirit.

Have you lied to the Holy Spirit when you knew what you should do yet kept for yourself? Give to him who would ask.

Think about these things and you can think back and see you did or have lied to the Holy Spirit I would think about changing and either believing it or throw the whole book out.





Acts 2:40-3:1

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. 44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising Yahweh and having favor with all the people. And the Master added to the church daily those who were being saved.


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Yahweh May We Ask For Guidence and Your Spirit To Guide Us...Blessings...Miles

So, in your mind, it wasn't wrong to rip off people coming to worship in the temple? The wrong was capitalism?

I know someone who bought a TV out of the back of a truck. He got it home and found out it was a brick in the box, not a TV. Was that capitalism, in your mind?

I see that with you, there is no winning. When you are clearly worng, you will continue to argue, because it brings you some sort of pleasure. Not with me anymore. I'm done with you. I only discuss religion with people who are interested in discussing, not children who like to argue to hear their own voice.

And only God knows the heart of man. The rich can buy it all up but will not enter into heaven that way. Like I said, many different denominations have their views. Not all of them teach the right way. I've been in a church where money was ringing here and there. I know and I've seen. Satan comes in many forms...even through the church.

I am saying you are trying to separate the two and say one is a sin and the other isn't. I do not see a difference in selling the Cattle at the temple for a much higher price. That is Capatilism. I'll give you an easy example. Coke is just water and Sugar yet they Charge more for it then gasoline. Or how about bottled water. At what point do you call it capitalism and ripping off.

It doesn't say anywhere in there that they did not get the animal they thought they would get.

that is why what the actual words say are so important. They came right from Jesus. I don't think God went around saying things in an unclear way.

On speaking did Yahshua ever get on to anyone who was rich. The scribes and Pharasees were not poor. They had the chief seats and stood over the people. This making them rich however you want to look at it.

The Money changers they wanted to Kill Yahshua as he spoke prphecy to them as they would not have it.They were the keepers of the Temple and Buying and selling was not to be done thier. So why would the Temple Keepers allow it. Money plain and simple . this is the Day Yahshua entered Jerusalem on a Donkey an the 1 month and the 10th day the same as a lamb was brought into every mans house 4 days before they were to kill it for Passover. These Scribes and Pharasees knew full well the Temple Yahshua's Fathers House he called it should not be done.

Yahshua spoke very strongly against these greedy rich men.

Mark 11:15-19

So they came to Jerusalem. Then Yahshua went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 16 And He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple. 17 Then He taught, saying to them, "Is it not written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it a 'den of thieves.'"

18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it and sought how they might destroy Him; for they feared Him, because all the people were astonished at His teaching. 19 When evening had come, He went out of the city.
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Blessings of Shalom..Miles

You really need to understand what you read in the biblical sense before you make comments........God doesn't care if your wealthy....It's how you use that wealth that he cares about......Being wealthy and selfish is not good in the eyes of the Lord....Being wealthy and helping those less fortunate is favorable in God's eyes.

LOL..try getting a NEW BRAIN!!! You are basically as dense as a box of rocks, because you MISS THE POINT.

Example..in the USA you have "freedom of speech"..correct? However that does NOT give you the right to run into a crowded theatre and yell "fire".

you must look at the INTENT and in the matter it was written/spoken.

as you say here, that was NOT saying that you possessions are BAD, it was saying basically IF you are tempted to be led by these things, then it is better to NOT have that temptation.

What's pathetic is that you are shown these type of things CLEARLY, yet you still just want to argue. so go take your feeble arguements to a wall and argue as long as you want. Such stupidity is worse than seeking material possessions.

Wabbitt

On the most part I have to agree with what you are saying.

One of the most misunderstood stories is Sodom and Gammorra.

Ezekiel 16:49
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

3John speaks of this and we can find sodom and Gammora talk about alot in the NT. The sin was how they treated other people.and James speaks to this perfectly.


James 1:26-2:1

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahshua and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.


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Even the king of Sodom went up with Abraham when Abraham offered Tithe to the King of Salem. Yet he offered nothing. Lot was a great example of being in the world but not of the world as he lived amoung the people yet kept himself clean. He showed piety and humbleness when he went to the 2 angels to wash thier feet and then told them to stay with him.To keep them safe from the rebelling people of Sodom.. Shalom...Miles

Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

So Jesus is just making a suggestion here. God himself didn't pick his words well enough to be clear?

Yeah, but this is different. I think I've said my piece. God doesn't like people debating his word. So, it's time for me to go.

How many of you are in Debt. For Houses and Cars?

Does Yahweh say this is good?

How can you give to whoever ask you if you have to instead pay for your fancy house and cars?

Wabbitts core beliefs here are right. You are to be the head and not the tail the scriptures say.

What does this mean?

You are to be the lender or giver and not the borrower. Because if you can not say you can give because of your car or house payment then you are denying the spirit of truth. If you know to do right and do not do it. Then it is sin to you.Since Yahshua's death then thier is no more sacrafice for sin when you do it delibertly.

Yahshua when he started his ministry in Luke 4:18 he spoke of the Jubilee. He only left out his commimg back. This is the cry to go out unto the world then as it should be now. EliYah turning the hearts. Turn your heart towards Yahweh and in need Isa 58 9-11 will be with you in your time of troubles..Shalom..Miles

I could buy into your "intent" theory if it was one or two lines. But I have shown about 8 verses there and there are more. It was a corner stone of his message. Instead of being angry at me why don't you look at the words and ask yourself why you need to change them to fit your life? Why do they have to be put in context? Why don't they instead set the context for your life?

I believe He puts trials on us all. So that we can truly have compassion for and relate to others around us. It is not your position to judge others for what they do or no not have...they themselves will answer when the time comes...and if they have shared their wealth and given selflessly....they will be judged accordingly...If they have taken in greed and in lust and been selfish....they will be judged accordingly...it is not for you to decide...nor do I think it is right to argue this here...if you have questions or concerns..seek help elsewhere....and look inside yourself....for only you know what kind of life you live....

I think there are a million ways that people have made peace with this. I think this is just another one "don't judge". There is no escaping Jesus message. No one has seen a Camel go through the eye of the needle. It will never happen. It is crystal clear.

Are you really that stupid? Meaning you can;t even learn from what is clear right in front of you?

"Intent" is one of the most power factors in the universe! it is what can distinguish between what is right and what is wrong.

And I am not angery with you, just tired of people like you and thier pathetic theories that even when shown clear and valuable learning information, they continue to walk in darkness. basically a waste of time, space and resources.

Let me give you yet another good example of "intent" and why that is so important. A man kills someone..takes another person;s life. Now, there can be several causes. if the man's INTENT was just to kill someone with no just cause...that is called MURDER. However, if the man took another person's life in genuine fear that person was going to kill them orsay a family member, the INTENT was purely self defense.

Now, you have the extact SAME action, but two totally different INTENTS. One is justified, one is not. So INTENT plays a huge factor...CLEARLY.

Now, did any lights turn on?????

I believe you may need to clean your glasses..True a camel cannot physically fit through the eye of a needle..I believe you have changed that into your own context..and made it your own statement...It was meant as an expression...Like when you go eat at Super China Buffet..and say,"Im full as a tick" a tick isnt very big...You can make of it what you will....It doesnt affect me at any cost...Good luck in your search and study

obviously you do not understand

it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin

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and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others

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just a thought but hey what do i know