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I could buy into your "intent" theory if it was one or two lines. But I have shown about 8 verses there and there are more. It was a corner stone of his message. Instead of being angry at me why don't you look at the words and ask yourself why you need to change them to fit your life? Why do they have to be put in context? Why don't they instead set the context for your life? Are you really that stupid? Meaning you can;t even learn from what is clear right in front of you? "Intent" is one of the most power factors in the universe! it is what can distinguish between what is right and what is wrong. And I am not angery with you, just tired of people like you and thier pathetic theories that even when shown clear and valuable learning information, they continue to walk in darkness. basically a waste of time, space and resources. Let me give you yet another good example of "intent" and why that is so important. A man kills someone..takes another person;s life. Now, there can be several causes. if the man's INTENT was just to kill someone with no just cause...that is called MURDER. However, if the man took another person's life in genuine fear that person was going to kill them orsay a family member, the INTENT was purely self defense. Now, you have the extact SAME action, but two totally different INTENTS. One is justified, one is not. So INTENT plays a huge factor...CLEARLY. Now, did any lights turn on?????  Lets go at this another way for you. You take all the verses that I gave and you tell me what Jesus intended. How it really means something other then what it actually says. |
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I believe He puts trials on us all. So that we can truly have compassion for and relate to others around us. It is not your position to judge others for what they do or no not have...they themselves will answer when the time comes...and if they have shared their wealth and given selflessly....they will be judged accordingly...If they have taken in greed and in lust and been selfish....they will be judged accordingly...it is not for you to decide...nor do I think it is right to argue this here...if you have questions or concerns..seek help elsewhere....and look inside yourself....for only you know what kind of life you live....  I think there are a million ways that people have made peace with this. I think this is just another one "don't judge". There is no escaping Jesus message. No one has seen a Camel go through the eye of the needle. It will never happen. It is crystal clear. I believe you may need to clean your glasses..True a camel cannot physically fit through the eye of a needle..I believe you have changed that into your own context..and made it your own statement...It was meant as an expression...Like when you go eat at Super China Buffet..and say,"Im full as a tick" a tick isnt very big...You can make of it what you will....It doesnt affect me at any cost...Good luck in your search and study Sorry I never heard that one 
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. |
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. Indeed, it is a deadly sin to put anything—money, drink, anger, pleasure—before God, so that it is irrelevant whether the lesser good is gold or hot dogs. Because of their greed, the rioters come to a physical death, but this occurs only after pride has caused them to die a spiritual death |
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Edited by
JustDandy
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Wed 05/07/08 12:34 PM
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Lets go at this another way for you. You take all the verses that I gave and you tell me what Jesus intended. How it really means something other then what it actually says. Once again, you can't see the forest with that tree stuck in your face. I'm not even "religious", but understand "concepts" , which you obviously don't. Jesus was "your level" clear on one thing .. jesus commanded for people to "love one another". That was His ONLY command. The rest you obviously do not have the eyes to see and are one of many doomed to your own blindness. |
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Acts 4:31-37
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. 36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet. (NIV) We should strive to have no needy persons in the body of Christ. Needs are expected, but by continually refusing to help a truly needy brother or sister in Christ, we deny the faith. I Jn 3:14-18 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. (NIV) Matt 25:40-43 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' (NIV) |
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. Indeed, it is a deadly sin to put anything—money, drink, anger, pleasure—before God, so that it is irrelevant whether the lesser good is gold or hot dogs. Because of their greed, the rioters come to a physical death, but this occurs only after pride has caused them to die a spiritual death Jesus first miracle was to make wine. I do not think he disliked drink. He celebrated his last meal with wine. He got angry at the money changers. Show me anywhere he says do not get angry. Can you show me any? He only talks about wealth in this way. |
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Acts 4:31-37 32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. 36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet. (NIV) We should strive to have no needy persons in the body of Christ. Needs are expected, but by continually refusing to help a truly needy brother or sister in Christ, we deny the faith. I Jn 3:14-18 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. (NIV) Matt 25:40-43 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' (NIV) I'm glad you finely agree with me. Welcome to the truth. |
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1 Tim 6:17-19
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. |
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The ignorant, accidental, or unintentional greedy Christian will:
be convicted by these scriptures strive to obey them by the grace of God gain victory over greed The hardened greedy person will not be given the grace to obey these stewardship commands, because they will either not have the desire to disagree with them just not be motivated enough to actually change and repent. make excuses based on other people’s disobedience |
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Wed 05/07/08 12:58 PM
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1 Tim 6:17-19 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. The things I have shown are in Jesus own words. These are not. No matter how hard you try you cannot squirm out from under his message |
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. Indeed, it is a deadly sin to put anything—money, drink, anger, pleasure—before God, so that it is irrelevant whether the lesser good is gold or hot dogs. Because of their greed, the rioters come to a physical death, but this occurs only after pride has caused them to die a spiritual death Jesus first miracle was to make wine. I do not think he disliked drink. He celebrated his last meal with wine. He got angry at the money changers. Show me anywhere he says do not get angry. Can you show me any? He only talks about wealth in this way. Eph 4:31 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: (KJV) Col 3:8 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. (KJV) 1 Tim 2:8 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. (KJV) Titus 1:7 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; (KJV) James 1:19-20 19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. (KJV) |
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Ps 37:8
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. (KJV) Ps 55:3 3 Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me. (KJV) Ps 76:10 10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain. (KJV) Prov 6:34 34 For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance. (KJV) Prov 12:16 16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame. (KJV) Prov 14:17 17 He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated. (KJV) Prov 14:29 29 He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalteth folly. (KJV) Prov 15:1 1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. (KJV) Prov 15:18 18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife. (KJV) Prov 16:14 14 The wrath of a king is as messengers of death: but a wise man will pacify it. (KJV) Prov 16:29 29 A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good. (KJV) Prov 16:32 32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city. (KJV) Prov 17:14 14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with. (KJV) Prov 19:11-12 11 The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression. 12 The king's wrath is as the roaring of a lion; but his favour is as dew upon the grass. (KJV) Prov 19:19 19 A man of great wrath shall suffer punishment: for if thou deliver him, yet thou must do it again. (KJV) Prov 21:24 24 Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. (KJV) Prov 22:24-25 24 Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: 25 Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul. (KJV) Prov 25:28 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls. (KJV) Prov 27:3-4 3 A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both. 4 Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy? (KJV) |
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. Indeed, it is a deadly sin to put anything—money, drink, anger, pleasure—before God, so that it is irrelevant whether the lesser good is gold or hot dogs. Because of their greed, the rioters come to a physical death, but this occurs only after pride has caused them to die a spiritual death Jesus first miracle was to make wine. I do not think he disliked drink. He celebrated his last meal with wine. He got angry at the money changers. Show me anywhere he says do not get angry. Can you show me any? He only talks about wealth in this way. Eph 4:31 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: (KJV) Col 3:8 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. (KJV) 1 Tim 2:8 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. (KJV) Titus 1:7 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; (KJV) James 1:19-20 19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. (KJV) I am sorry to point this out. But none of these are attributed to Jesus. |
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Angelface2000
I just want to say it is nice to see someone on here. That actually does thier own research without having to copy and paste something from the net they found. If more people would all of our understanding the spirit would increase.  Blessings..Miles
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Rabbit. You sought wealth but you tanked. Blame yourself not God. Grab the old boot straps and have at er' again. It is okay...... I am in the same boat. Care to go for a walk on the lake with Jesus and smoke cigars while making jokes with him about religion?
 
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. Indeed, it is a deadly sin to put anything—money, drink, anger, pleasure—before God, so that it is irrelevant whether the lesser good is gold or hot dogs. Because of their greed, the rioters come to a physical death, but this occurs only after pride has caused them to die a spiritual death Jesus first miracle was to make wine. I do not think he disliked drink. He celebrated his last meal with wine. He got angry at the money changers. Show me anywhere he says do not get angry. Can you show me any? He only talks about wealth in this way. Eph 4:31 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: (KJV) Col 3:8 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. (KJV) 1 Tim 2:8 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. (KJV) Titus 1:7 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; (KJV) James 1:19-20 19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. (KJV) I am sorry to point this out. But none of these are attributed to Jesus. John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. God speaks through many people to give the word of truth. Jesus is not the only person who spoke the truth. Angelface2000 simply gave words from God. |
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[ You really need to understand what you read in the biblical sense before you make comments........God doesn't care if your wealthy....It's how you use that wealth that he cares about......Being wealthy and selfish is not good in the eyes of the Lord....Being wealthy and helping those less fortunate is favorable in God's eyes. Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." So Jesus is just making a suggestion here. God himself didn't pick his words well enough to be clear? But you have to read further......Matthew 19:22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away and frieved; for he was one who owned much property..... And this means only this.....Take your wealth and make in the whole of your exsistance then it is not favorable in God's eyes. You can alway accumulate wealth, but it will not go with you in to the Kingdom Of Heaven. Also when you give from your heart your are given back 10 fold...... And it's very clear if you take scripture in it's context and not just one lil part to make a point....because to those that know scripture it nakes wabbit the fool...... You can always takes pieces of scripture and make it fit however you wish....you have to take the scripture as it was intended..not as "you" wish it to be. |
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Wabbitt concept is not wrong.
and it's very clear if you take scripture in it's context and not just one lil part to make a point....because to those that know scripture it nakes wabbit the fool...... You can always takes pieces of scripture and make it fit however you wish....you have to take the scripture as it was intended..not as "you" wish it to be. Is that so.. Would you like to see how much christians have taken out of context? Almost everything you believe is out of context. I would not say what u can not defend..Miles |
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Ok wabbit lets take the scripture and break it down. Mark 10 17-30
First off you have to understand that Jesus was talking to a rich young ruler when all this came down... As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.' "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy." ANSWER: Now first off it's one thing to keep the 10 commandments....but another if your living your life in a selfish manner and not giving to those in need....as this ruler did. Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." ANSWER: When Jesus said go sell everything that you have....this was testing this man's faith.....If Jeus asked me the same thing I would do in a minute...because I know that he would have my back so to speak. At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" ANSWER: Being rich does not get you into the Kingdom of God. The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." ANSWER: Meaning going through the eye of a needle would be easier....because money does not get you into heaven. The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God." ANSWER: Meaning man, money none of it will give you a ticket to heaven.....only faith will. Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first." ANSWER: Jesus was trying to get across you didn't leave it all for "the stuff" or the people, but because of your faith in me. |
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