In the beatitudes, Jesus did say "blessed are the poor" He never said it was a sin to be rich.

As you state here there are people in the world that are rich that are not blessed by God. Then you say there are people that are also blessed by God with riches. If that is true that just means you cannot tell who is who by that. It is not a measure of who God favors.

It doesn't say that the Rich man did not care for the poor man, it does not say that he worshiped money. It only says's he was rich. The parable is clear in that poor Lazerus is in Heaven and the Rich man s in Hades.


You go ahead and hold onto your worldly possessions. I can see that of all the things you hold dear they are the closest to your heart.

Maybe you should work on getting a genetically altered Camel that is the size of a thread. That should really make you feel better.

Only if Jesus is your savior and you believe in his word.

Rabbit..after patiently taking the time to explain to you.. on how Christians with wealth , LOVE to give..... you come back with this statement:

You replied......

<<<<<....You go ahead and hold onto your worldly possessions. I can see that of all the things you hold dear they are the closest to your heart.
Maybe you should work on getting a genetically altered Camel that is the size of a thread. That should really make you feel better.... .>>>>>>>

See Rabbit?

I just shared how we christians love to give, and it fell on DEAF EARS.


You did not comprehend one single word I shared with you.
And ... all the other Christians sharing here with you also ...all they shared just fell on DEAF ears also.

Rabbit.

I am not God.
I can't open your ears to understand.
Only God can.

I can ony Share.
And Pray.
Nothing more.

God Bless You, Rabbit.
Truly Praying God Will open your eyes and ears to see and hear...so that you will truly Understand God's Word.


Spoken in Love and Sincerity ,Rabbit....cause I Do Care.....

I read every word you put down. The problem is you keep making statements like "Christians with wealth"

If you have wealth you are rich

What does Jesus say about the Rich?


Why would someone that calls them self a Christian still hold on to this wealth even after all the things that Jesus said even a parable that shows a wealthy man in hell burning?

Only someone who had been taught to look past the actual words and come up with a alternate meaning could feel comfortable in that situation.

I can only assume that a person that says that they truly love Jesus, yet still will hold on too worldly goods that he pointed out as bad. That person must really hold those worldly goods closely to their heart.

I am sorry that you will never face the truth of your situation. Just like so many others here will hold tightly to these things and call me a liar because I state what Jesus said. It looks like it may be imposable for people to really hear the words Jesus spoke.

hearing and doing are two different things, rabbit

just do it.

do you want it that much that you will risk sitting under a tree at night to rest your head?

it is only impoosible to man

but with God, all things are possible.

it is one thing to believe.

it is another to trust.

who do you trust?

I know that the wold is not a magical place were a God bestows favors on the Rich. And lets the poor suffer cause they do not pray correctly.
The world runs as it is, no miricals, no magic, no wishing it was so. Just hard work. Do on to others. Love those around you and do not kill people. That is what I trust.

Peace in truth

It says in his word " The love of money is the root of all evil.

It says in his parable that the Rich man ended up Burning in Hades

thanks rabbit for a straight answer.

I like your answer. It's a wise statement.

Rabbit...I gave it all away.
Cause I just loved Jesus.

I gave my inheritance to my sister to have.
Cause the things of this world and material possessions did not interest me in the least.
I just wanted to serve Jesus with my life.

But Rabbit...do you know what God did?
He gave it right back to me....plus more.

Do you know why?
Cause I put God first, rather than worldly possessions....and God just wanted to Bless me anyway...for putting Him first.

And Rabbit?
True Christians who put God first, feel the very same way I do.
Cause really, we are RICH in JESUS..and really do not care for the things of the world anyway, when we are in love with Jesus....but God still LOVES to Bless His People anyway.

And christians with wealth, that love the Lord?
They GIVE of their wealth.... and God just keeps giving it back.
Cause God knows their hearts...and knows they love to give..and again...God just wants to Bless His People.

Rabbit? God wants to BLESS Us..not leave us poor.

I just Came back online for a second..and saw your reply to my earlier post..showing once more , that you still do not understand.

I will continue to pray that God will help you to understand , Rabbit.
And leave it at that.

God Bless You Rabbit.

Nite.....

ps..one more thing..... God said to give, and it shall be given....Good measure pressed down , shaken together..( read Luke 6:38 ) ....

Rabbit... this giving applies to poor people too.... they need to give to God.....and put God first, even if they have little.
Cause God sees the heart of a giver ....and loves a cheerful giver....casue a giving person is someone who does put God first.
And christians put God first ,out of Love for God.

Rabbit...Especially when one doesn't have it to give , is the time to trust God and give..all the more. And watch what God will do.

You see Rabbit, I am one of those poor ones here....who trusted God....gave it away....got Blessed back ..gave it away...got Blessed back...gave it away....got Blessed back.....and still give to God and to others in need.


Rabbit....People I know that were dirt poor, started giving... and today they are fiancially blessed....and they still are giving and giving and giving!

But now they have MORE to give.....And God keeps blessing it back to them !!

Rabbit.... you can't outgive God!!!

He just wants our heart though...that's all.
When you truly love God, all that worldly stuff don't matter anyway.

Ok...going back to sleep now....praying this does get across now....finally..

if one gave away every cent for fear of hell than it was not god that made them do so, but satan, as jesus said all fear comes from satan.......and god is perfect love that cast OUT fear......make it go away by hearing the truth.....

it was also said that hades was a place where one was seperated from god.....the mind only conclude this is a place of damnation for sins AFTER DEATH, and see not hell is earth where each is ALREADY everyday paying for each sin.......

sin was called also as ignorance......to NOT KNOW BEFORE FINDING OUT BY SELF EXPERIENCE......is ignorance or INNOCENCE erased by speaking of words to another.......

if it were christ would not have needed to be born into the same place as each here now, where having to live in a place where the laws of the universe or god are always in place, to teach all by EXPERIENCE.........hades, hell.....a place where there is weeping and nashing of teeth......perhaps we see not the many that nash in regret, hunger, pain, suffering, anguish, mistakes each second of each day thruout the place called hell, a garden built on top of a firey core.....earth is the garden of eden my friend....we have not left or gone anywhere....it is only a cycle of learning for all......

how can one quote a sentence out of a book and not include all the author of the book said......the whole book......rich men each day find out the hell of lonliness and despair just as many lazy and slothful that are also damned to pay in hell.......along with all with pride, arrogance, liars.....read the whole book.....each is condemed to know right from wrong first, than love from hate second.......be nice to people if you want to be, not to spare your soul from hell, as this keep one in hell here on earth the more.........jesus said himself LISTEN NOT TO THOSE THAT SAY HEAVEN IS HERE OR THERE, OR DO THIS TO EARN IT, BUT THAT ONE DAY MEN WILL FIND OUT IT IS WITHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT MEANS WE AS HUMANITY CREATE HEAVEN, TOGETHER, ALL OF US.....ANY THAT CONDEM OTHERS WILL BE THERE BUT JUST LAST......JUST NEED MORE TIME TO LEARN, LOL........NOTHING BAD

you are already in hell now rabbit, as you do and say all in fear of it, and you don't like it, so you try to find a way out by deeds.......it was said that if one obeyed every jot and tittel of the whole bible it would still not be good enough to earn SALVATION or heaven.......it was said to be a gift.........any that seek to save their life shall lose it, and any that lay it down shall gain it.........CAUSE EVERYTHING GOES TO HEAVEN......IT IS THE ONLY WAY THE STAEMENT MAINTAINS TRUTHFULLNESS WITH ALL OTHERS SPOKEN.....

what would any know of bad if not living in a place where bad existed.....if you never seen murder, would you apppreciate not having to deal with murder again.......heaven was only a place where learning of bad was OVER.......no longer needed as that is what EARTH is for......school......but school is over when one see none is greater than destiny, and who here would condem judas for betraying jesus, as IT WAS OBVIOUSLY PART OF A PLAN.....HAD TO HAPPEN.....someone had to betray......the betrayer is just as immportant as the betrayed.....which be damned????????????????????????? is this not what the jesus you say you believe in trying to tell everybody, but not able to say it plainly as he was IN the ROLE at the time......we are not in that time NOW.......we are near the creation of a new time, a new heaven on earth........NOW WE ARE TO SEE THE REASON FOR ALL....the simple truth or reason it was said a child could understand.........go and tell all the children of the earth that their enemies are the rich......what have you created.....a world of kids grown to HATE, LOATH, AND MAYBE EVEN MURDER RICH PEOPLE......MORE HATRED........each play a role.....what ROLE ARE YOU PLAYING TO CREATE LOVE

The Parable of poor Lazarus and the Rich man. It shows the Rich man being blessed with good things here on this earth. While Lazarus has a hard time here he is poor and he has no rewards here.
When they pass away it becomes clear to them both that Gods rewards are not of this earth. Lazerus has an eternity in heaven for only a lifetime of poverty (why does poverty get him into heaven?) The rich man is burning in Hades for eternity. He thought that the things of the world were rewards from God but found out at his death that Gods rewards are all in Heaven.

believe what you want

it still comes down to action

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sin 1 (sn)
n.
1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
2. Theology
a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
b. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.
3. Something regarded as being shameful, deplorable, or utterly wrong.

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i do not see rich listed

if your deliberate disobedience results in your being rich i can see that

but rich in and of itself is not correct

after all david was a man after gods own heart

if i recall he was very rich

Jesus makes it clear that you will not make it in to heaven as a Rich man. He even gives a parable showing how the Rich man ends up in hell. He clearly states to give away what you have and follow me. When you do not give those things away you being disobedient.

If I tell my kid put down that dead bird!!!(yuck) If he says in response to me "just possessing a dead bird in my hand is not bad it is only if I do something with it father". He is going to be in big trouble. I made it clear. He is disobeying by his INACTION

I like how rabbit just ignores all my posts, but I will keep posting. At no time in any of the parables were the rich mans faults actually having money. It was how he obtained it. If you look into history, people were rich back then only by oppressing the poor. Read your history.

Things are not the same in this day in age, at least in our country. It is not a sin to be rich, and in fact being rich is relative. If you make $70k a year in the US I would not say you were rich. You would be in the middle class,however, you would be rich as compared to the common people in third world countries.

The parable of the rich man that ends up in hell does not say he sinned by how he got it. He is just in hades for being rich. Then Jesus says again harder for a Rich man then a Camel in the Needle. None of these things says anything about how they made it.

Now as to our society, If a man makes a millions of Dollars selling woman in to slavery in the third world. Then he takes his money moves into an upscale home in a Miami suburb in mansion with other rich people goes to Church, gives money to the food shelf, and never tells anyone how he made his money. Will people look up to this man? He is very very rich, he gives his money to the needy, to everyone that sees him he is a big success. Our society almost exclusively judges success by monetary wealth. Look at famous people like Paris Hilton, Donald Trump,and so on.

Now look at how your tax Dollars are being used

From the net...

To make things worse for the homeless, a growing number of cities are criminalizing their very existence. Almost 70 percent of cities surveyed by the National Coalition for the Homeless passed at least one new law targeting homeless people since January 2002, according to an August 2003 coalition report.

"Instead of the compassionate responses that communities have used to save lives in the past two decades, the common response to homelessness [these days] is to criminalize the victims through laws and ordinances that make illegal life-sustaining activities that people experiencing homelessness are forced to do in public," said Donald Whitehead, executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless and a former homeless victim himself. .....


You can close your eyes and say it isn't you but it is all of us. As you also pointed out the third world has it much much worse. Like the Food for Peace program I mentioned at the begining we are doing harm by forcing these people to use the aid we give them to buy from us. As opposed to using the money as they see fit. Like to buy from local farmers that could make an investment in thier own land.