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Topic: The Bible says its a sin to be Rich
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Wed 05/14/08 03:24 AM
Edited by sam53 on Wed 05/14/08 03:30 AM
Why does God not help the poor ,the needy ,the sick , and he asks you the little ones to help them ? ! . Is there something fishy here or what ?.laugh .
Myths and contradictions of life will continue......!!!!.
One should always be careful about what the preachers are singing....: singing money , power and control among loads of other things ! .:smile: :wink: :wink: flowerforyou drinker .

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Wed 05/14/08 07:31 AM

He also told us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. We first have to provide for our familes, then share what we can.



Where does he say this. Everything I see him say is leave your families behind and follow me. In fact some of his apostless did just that. There is one thing Jesus seems to support it is dead beat Dads.

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Wed 05/14/08 07:37 AM



Rabbit, do you think King David and King Solomon went to Hell? I am pretty sure the Bible places at least King David in Heaven, yet they were both rich.

Let me add that I ask this in all seriousness. Just want your point of view on the subject.


The reason these men had things is that they were kings and what they owned was communal wealth. They were responsible for their people. I do not think anyone here is a king. Even if you point to the few people like that, since that time Jesus has come and made it clear that being rich is now bad. After Jesus the laws of what you could eat changed also. So he either changed or clarified things when he was here. For some reason Rich and Poor is something he addressed almost more then anything else.
People who think that is a accident, or that he really didn't pick his words very well. They are fooling them selves. If I was you I would go with his words and make my own fit his.






"NO SIN BE GREATER THAN ANOHTER" jesus said.....we think MANY sins are greater than others, so what we think as sin must NOT be the correct or SAME logic as thought when spoken by jesus.........why it was said it was harder for a rich man to get to heaven then for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle.......no MAN enter heaven PERIOD, AS THE SECOND YOU BREATH YOUR LAST HUMAN BREATH YOU ARE NO LONGER A MAN......as it was ALSO said "no flesh can enter there" ...........was not humanity OR THE WORLD called "children of god" when referred to from prophetic love AND NOT MAN???????

nothing that get to heaven take ANYTHING PHYSICAL with it, as it was said earthly treasures cannot be taken there..........so who will be money rich when they get there??????????

SO INDEED WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, NO RICH MAN OR ANY MAN SHALL ENTER THERE........why is was added with "god" all things are possible.....how so????????????

as it was said no man enter heaven without first being born on earth, and NO MAN HAS MADE HIMSELF TO BE BORN, SO NO MAN CAN MAKE HIMSELF ENTER THERE EITHER..........all that have breathed mortal life must feel immmortal life for the scriptures to be unbroken and this "god" TRUTH to be fair and just as it also was written.........the truth is fair and just and condem none as it see the reason for all things is to learn by comparison of pairs......

how could one know "no pain" unless pain had been "felt".....

how could one know what poor was without rich???????.........

so of course as long as "man" is alive poor and rich will HAVE to exist..........story of all scriptures to be true



By your reasoning that would mean that the stories of Moses,Elijah, and Jesus going up to heaven body and all must be false.

Or that the book is full of contradictions. I will agree the book seems to say opposite things all the time. This God is indecisive.

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Wed 05/14/08 09:55 PM
:cry: yzrabbit1, will you explain for us, please, 2 Peter 2:20-22

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Thu 05/15/08 02:21 PM

:cry: yzrabbit1, will you explain for us, please, 2 Peter 2:20-22



20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,”[a] and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”


First of all I want to make it clear that Peter is not Jesus. Peter is not God. So if you believe that Jesus is God then the words that God chose while here on earth were not just ones to take and leave as you like. He shose his words carfully and he talked about the poor and the rich very clearly.

Now I think this verse means that you can put a dress on a sow but it is still a sow.

That means that the words in the Bible are not to be shaped and shaved to fit the life you live. You are to live the life that Jesus prescribes. (if you want to call your self a Christian) The words are there and clear and you have knowledge of them. If you still turn to the things of this world it it going to be bad.

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Fri 05/16/08 08:02 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Fri 05/16/08 08:15 AM
jesus never called himself god, but men have assumed such.....god existed in genisis, when jesus was not yet born...
god in scripture only refer to the TRUTH.....all men within the pages of the bible then are only as truth......

jesus never told ANY to follow him physically except those that were ALIVE heard him physically, and could follow him physically..........these were to be taught the truth for their time by him personally, for them to then lead future peoples when he was crucified......

if you follow jesus in word and DEED, then you MUST go and have yourself nailed to a cross, lol......or you do not follow ALL his words and ACTIONS......he said to do as he did!!!!!!!!!!!

does this not say that human minds are incorrect in their perception when they HEAR thru FEAR which is WITHIN themself!!!!!!!!

to help even one other is not possible with a motive of self-saving........this motive is FEAR of ones own salvation, and is MOST concerned for itself, and create a selfish motive to be created within the heart..........if one try to save oneself by good deeds, than this is PROOF they do not believe their OWN sins are yet forgiven, and was not the proof of salvation that one KNOWS the author that wrote the book, which made them KNOW and FEEL and SPEAK forgiveness....to speak as one would speak that had no sin, that has seen and therefor could tell others how they also had NO SIN!!!!

did not jesus tell all those that cast stones at a prostitute they thought was evil that their own DESIRE to cast stones SHOWED PROOF they still HAD sin........

you have much fear of your salvation rabbit as each scripture you quote only be ones that FEAR like to hear, as fear attract fear, to try to save itself.........what things have you done that have convinced you you are evil....these things one must find an answer for that take away guilt or any negative feeling, and at the same time give a desire to go and UNDO all one could have done BETTER........IT IS ONLY FEAR THAT GIVE ONE THE DESIRE TO CONVINCE OTHERS THEY ARE WRONG AND GUILTY ALSO........follow each one of all these scriptures and you will still feel evil and proclaim to others your own sins aloud, as all another man say is bad show what condem his own heart.........and none of these scriptures have the power by themself to take this self-loathing away

for we are not CALLED TO a spirit of FEAR.....

to say once you have eaten ALL the truth, all sweet will come forth from you, even when it is anger, it is sweet anger, and not bitter anger, and correction be sweet correction, and not superiority or authority except by one that does not see all that come to them is in response to all they themself HAVE FIRST SAID.......

only failure to find peace in the things you believe these scriptures say to you rabbit will give you the desire to see how you percieved them thru fear.........if one hears the truth, joy is the evidence.....i do not hear much joy in that voice rabbit, but rather misery of fear that seek company, so what you have percieved CANNOT be all the truth, but only part, or one side of the pair of all actions that are spoken of.....

the good half of all written that seems to contradict the bad half, is the second answer one get once they admit they are guilty of all the fear they hear of themselves, and STOP running quickly away in fear to try to do good to save themself, but INSTEAD ask god within each WHY am i like this, and if it be explained to any the WHOLE TRUTH and the deepest ROOT reason for anything that cause self-condemnation, than one will be forever freed from that thing, in feeling, in hearing, in action, and also in all words then to all others....

you speak of things that give YOU condemnation and fear, and your fearful mind speak wisdom to you, to find the answer for yourself, and your OWN personal condemnation is not what is to be changed in others, but in YOU, lol........

find the answer that tie all things heard together as truth and condem none and take away all fear of DEATH for oneself, and this be PROOF one has found the truth and mercy for themself, and also the path to immortal life, that hear and speak and live joy that give rest for the weary mind that live in doubt of itself.

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Sun 05/18/08 07:56 PM

Ezekiel 16:49
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Amos 5:11
You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.

Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

John 2:15
So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,

Luke 6:20
Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

Luke 11:41
But give what is inside the dish to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.





Lets take Amos 5:11. Do you know that the monetary food aid that the US gives to other countries that are in the midst of a famine must be spent on US grown food. So that means any amount of food that the farmers in the poor country have manged to grow is now worth nothing. It could have had a great value when our US tax dollars got there and boosted things up but instead it went to impoverish the poor man and possibly make him worse off then he was before. Possibly put many farmers out of business for good and make the country poorer in food production then it was.

Amos 5:11
You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.



http://www.heritage.org/research/TradeandForeignAid/bg665.cfm


wow, all those televangalists are SCREWED, they are richer than rich... and so are a lot of pastors of these MEGA churches... man everyone doomed if these guys are our leaders

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Sun 05/18/08 08:26 PM
The eye of the needle was a gate that camels had to get on their knees to get in.

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