Topic: The Bible says its a sin to be Rich
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Wed 05/07/08 10:15 AM

laugh You will never get a rich person to admit to thislaugh


This comment makes me more sad then you know

yzrabbit1's photo
Wed 05/07/08 10:16 AM

are you fluent in aramaic and ancient greek????


If you do not think the Bible says what it does then why follow it?

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Wed 05/07/08 10:16 AM




Those who obey God's commandments shall not want any good thing. The order is important. Those who please God are blessed with riches. Riches attained through any other way have wings - they get up and fly away.


You have given me one quote , I have given about 8. Show me equal number of quotes where it says it is holy to be rich. Especially from Jesus because I am talking about Christianity.


When you're 8 quotes aren't justifiable then they hold no validity. You're completely misconstruing the intent and meaning behind them. That's easy for you to do when you don't care about them.


I cared about them so much I lost my religion over them. I followed the commandment that says you shall not lie. And I looked at these and it was clear. I could not lie to myself about these. Can you?


I see the problem. You have no objective thinking. You can't deviate from your normal, flawed, pattern of thought processing. You have an opinion and you will never change it unless by your own will. Therefore, it is pointless to argue with you. You see, instead of figuring out if you're wrong you just gave up your entire religion. You assumed you were right all along.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:16 AM




Those who obey God's commandments shall not want any good thing. The order is important. Those who please God are blessed with riches. Riches attained through any other way have wings - they get up and fly away.


You have given me one quote , I have given about 8. Show me equal number of quotes where it says it is holy to be rich. Especially from Jesus because I am talking about Christianity.


First of all everything belongs to God - everything. Thus it is not a sin to be rich.


With that logic it is not a sin to have many wives, many slaves, etc....


You were talking about material possessions - not about how people are treated by others etc.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:17 AM





Those who obey God's commandments shall not want any good thing. The order is important. Those who please God are blessed with riches. Riches attained through any other way have wings - they get up and fly away.


You have given me one quote , I have given about 8. Show me equal number of quotes where it says it is holy to be rich. Especially from Jesus because I am talking about Christianity.
I suggest you sit down and read your bible. There you will find all you want.


I have given you scripture and verse. I suggest you read yours.
I have and I do. I look towards the bible for answers not man !


Well then you would know this and it would not bother you at all.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:17 AM
And we have a winner!!!!drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

King James took out all references to reincarnation...why???

to keep his people down.....





are you fluent in aramaic and ancient greek????


If you do not think the Bible says what it does then why follow it?

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Wed 05/07/08 10:17 AM





Those who obey God's commandments shall not want any good thing. The order is important. Those who please God are blessed with riches. Riches attained through any other way have wings - they get up and fly away.


You have given me one quote , I have given about 8. Show me equal number of quotes where it says it is holy to be rich. Especially from Jesus because I am talking about Christianity.


When you're 8 quotes aren't justifiable then they hold no validity. You're completely misconstruing the intent and meaning behind them. That's easy for you to do when you don't care about them.


I cared about them so much I lost my religion over them. I followed the commandment that says you shall not lie. And I looked at these and it was clear. I could not lie to myself about these. Can you?


I see the problem. You have no objective thinking. You can't deviate from your normal, flawed, pattern of thought processing. You have an opinion and you will never change it unless by your own will. Therefore, it is pointless to argue with you. You see, instead of figuring out if you're wrong you just gave up your entire religion. You assumed you were right all along.
I couldnt have said it better myself!drinker

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Wed 05/07/08 10:20 AM





Those who obey God's commandments shall not want any good thing. The order is important. Those who please God are blessed with riches. Riches attained through any other way have wings - they get up and fly away.


You have given me one quote , I have given about 8. Show me equal number of quotes where it says it is holy to be rich. Especially from Jesus because I am talking about Christianity.


When you're 8 quotes aren't justifiable then they hold no validity. You're completely misconstruing the intent and meaning behind them. That's easy for you to do when you don't care about them.


I cared about them so much I lost my religion over them. I followed the commandment that says you shall not lie. And I looked at these and it was clear. I could not lie to myself about these. Can you?


I see the problem. You have no objective thinking. You can't deviate from your normal, flawed, pattern of thought processing. You have an opinion and you will never change it unless by your own will. Therefore, it is pointless to argue with you. You see, instead of figuring out if you're wrong you just gave up your entire religion. You assumed you were right all along.


On the contrary I changed. I read and did not let men change the meaning of the Bible. You have allowed people to take twist that for you. You have no objective thinking. You are just taking what is taught to you. When the actual WORDS of Jesus are clear. And apear over and over again.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:21 AM
You are missing the context, probably intentionally.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:22 AM
Jesus spoke english?????

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Wed 05/07/08 10:24 AM

You are missing the context, probably intentionally.


Of course everyone who is in the Religion will have made peace with it. You could say I missed it if it was Just one sentence. Maybe. But it is one of the underlying themes of his life. He says it over and over again. It is also the only time he really gets angry in the whole book.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:25 AM

Jesus spoke english?????


I don't have much to answer to you. I agree with everything you say so far.

chriserwalk032786's photo
Wed 05/07/08 10:25 AM
Have a good day, sir. May God bless you.

yzrabbit1's photo
Wed 05/07/08 10:26 AM

Have a good day, sir. May God bless you.


and may you follow the path of truth

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Wed 05/07/08 10:27 AM


You are missing the context, probably intentionally.


Of course everyone who is in the Religion will have made peace with it. You could say I missed it if it was Just one sentence. Maybe. But it is one of the underlying themes of his life. He says it over and over again. It is also the only time he really gets angry in the whole book.


Completely missing the context. Jesus never got angry with anyone who was rich. You are missing so much in the Bible, is it intentional? I think it must be, because you don't appear to be stupid. Jesus was mad that they were ripping people off in the Temple, not that they were rich. The context makes the whole situation clear, but you ignore the context and replace your own. There are many people who God loved and blessed with great wealth. Solomon, David, Job, Jacob, etc.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:30 AM

Ezekiel 16:49
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Amos 5:11
You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.

Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

John 2:15
So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,

Luke 6:20
Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

Luke 11:41
But give what is inside the dish to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.





Lets take Amos 5:11. Do you know that the monetary food aid that the US gives to other countries that are in the midst of a famine must be spent on US grown food. So that means any amount of food that the farmers in the poor country have manged to grow is now worth nothing. It could have had a great value when our US tax dollars got there and boosted things up but instead it went to impoverish the poor man and possibly make him worse off then he was before. Possibly put many farmers out of business for good and make the country poorer in food production then it was.

Amos 5:11
You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.



http://www.heritage.org/research/TradeandForeignAid/bg665.cfm




Rabbit.

All well and good.

Your opinion has merit.

However, I also find merit in the argument that American farmers have against global free trade.

Avarice and greed are displayed when foreign producers of crops and food find their way here to compete in unfair advantage with local farmers efforts and livlihoods that are part of this comminity and that is being overlooked in your summation .

How is it then that foreign growers find a better market here than in countries with the greater need?

Surely the shippers and their costs could be removed from the price of goods and find more affordability in other markets with less effort and laborious complications and burden on the bottom line of the financial balance sheets of those doing precisely that.

Your depiction has no relevance with Christianity in the absence of addressing that concern.

I fail to see how it is that such is your abservation when in fact there exists opportunity to remedy all suffering and lack.

Demanding that Chirstianity is culpable decries and ignores that Christianity is in fact the clearest light with which to recognize that such disparaging and glaring inequities are inherent upon man.

It does not fall to Christianity to bear the burdens of avarice and greed and exemplify the impossibilities you associate with adherence to the tenets of the faith.

It speaks to your complete misunderstanding of the light which exposes the problems in the world that are found in Christian doctrine.

It is the condition of man that changes i being born again by the Holy Spirit which hallmarks Christianity.

Please keep that in mind.

Standing on Christianity is unmeritorious and disengenuous in the employ of reasonongs that only elude the imperative within the faith.

Christianity is not the absolution of the problem and depicting it as hypocritical is the ignorance which blinds the attentions of all that burden themselves with excusing its efficacy in the complete and utter misappropriation of the faith which is to offer to man the Holy Spirit to know and be in fellowship and right relationship with God.

To understand Christianity and learn of it can never ignore the prerequisite of the tenets of the faith.

Judging Christianity from an external observation post is simply the stance of one's choice to enter in or not.

It is not the hypocritical excuse for laying all the ills of the world on it.

learn, grow and be at peace.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:32 AM



You are missing the context, probably intentionally.


Of course everyone who is in the Religion will have made peace with it. You could say I missed it if it was Just one sentence. Maybe. But it is one of the underlying themes of his life. He says it over and over again. It is also the only time he really gets angry in the whole book.


Completely missing the context. Jesus never got angry with anyone who was rich. You are missing so much in the Bible, is it intentional? I think it must be, because you don't appear to be stupid. Jesus was mad that they were ripping people off in the Temple, not that they were rich. The context makes the whole situation clear, but you ignore the context and replace your own. There are many people who God loved and blessed with great wealth. Solomon, David, Job, Jacob, etc.


Yes I am using the word Rich to cover many things here. When he is mad(using a whip) with the money changers. I say that shows that he at least has some "not good" feelings about capitalism. I say that they are the same as bankers and I say that the US is very much dependent on banking. So I think we in the US (if you are a Christian) should be nervous because the only time Jesus got mad and threw things to the ground it was capitalists.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:36 AM




Rabbit.

All well and good.

Your opinion has merit.

However, I also find merit in the argument that American farmers have against global free trade.

Avarice and greed are displayed when foreign producers of crops and food find their way here to compete in unfair advantage with local farmers efforts and livlihoods that are part of this comminity and that is being overlooked in your summation .

How is it then that foreign growers find a better market here than in countries with the greater need?

Surely the shippers and their costs could be removed from the price of goods and find more affordability in other markets with less effort and laborious complications and burden on the bottom line of the financial balance sheets of those doing precisely that.

Your depiction has no relevance with Christianity in the absence of addressing that concern.

I fail to see how it is that such is your abservation when in fact there exists opportunity to remedy all suffering and lack.

Demanding that Chirstianity is culpable decries and ignores that Christianity is in fact the clearest light with which to recognize that such disparaging and glaring inequities are inherent upon man.

It does not fall to Christianity to bear the burdens of avarice and greed and exemplify the impossibilities you associate with adherence to the tenets of the faith.

It speaks to your complete misunderstanding of the light which exposes the problems in the world that are found in Christian doctrine.

It is the condition of man that changes i being born again by the Holy Spirit which hallmarks Christianity.

Please keep that in mind.

Standing on Christianity is unmeritorious and disengenuous in the employ of reasonongs that only elude the imperative within the faith.

Christianity is not the absolution of the problem and depicting it as hypocritical is the ignorance which blinds the attentions of all that burden themselves with excusing its efficacy in the complete and utter misappropriation of the faith which is to offer to man the Holy Spirit to know and be in fellowship and right relationship with God.

To understand Christianity and learn of it can never ignore the prerequisite of the tenets of the faith.

Judging Christianity from an external observation post is simply the stance of one's choice to enter in or not.

It is not the hypocritical excuse for laying all the ills of the world on it.

learn, grow and be at peace.



You can say to yourself the world is a bad place so I do not have to follow the teachings of Jesus. I could not do that. I believe the Bible spoke to me directly. Told me what to do. If the world as problems then that is a diffrent story. The Bible only spoke to me on how to live. It was clear to me what it said on this issue. It still is.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:36 AM




You are missing the context, probably intentionally.


Of course everyone who is in the Religion will have made peace with it. You could say I missed it if it was Just one sentence. Maybe. But it is one of the underlying themes of his life. He says it over and over again. It is also the only time he really gets angry in the whole book.


Completely missing the context. Jesus never got angry with anyone who was rich. You are missing so much in the Bible, is it intentional? I think it must be, because you don't appear to be stupid. Jesus was mad that they were ripping people off in the Temple, not that they were rich. The context makes the whole situation clear, but you ignore the context and replace your own. There are many people who God loved and blessed with great wealth. Solomon, David, Job, Jacob, etc.


Yes I am using the word Rich to cover many things here. When he is mad(using a whip) with the money changers. I say that shows that he at least has some "not good" feelings about capitalism. I say that they are the same as bankers and I say that the US is very much dependent on banking. So I think we in the US (if you are a Christian) should be nervous because the only time Jesus got mad and threw things to the ground it was capitalists.


Rabbit,

Jesus had no problems with capitalism, you are adding that to the context. The context is that the money changers were using the opportunity of people coming to the temple to worship to rip the people off. The area of the temple that was reserved for Gentiles was instead used to house livestock, which was then sold at high prices to people who came to the temple to sacrifice. Jesus was mad that people were defiling the temple by cheating those who came to worship there. It had nothing to do with capitalism.

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Wed 05/07/08 10:36 AM
Reading everything that goes on in this thread...I must say...it shows how much "us" Christians do not understand the word of God. So many Christians have their view of what God says. Different denominations and different methods of teaching. Does God want us to argue back and forth to figure out who is right and who is wrong? If you "really" want to know the truth, seek God and ask him what a certain scripture means. Religion is a hot topic to debate on and you will get many different point of views. My view on the riches is this...God wants us to be happy in what he gives us. And what he gives us can make us rich or not. It is all the point of view on what makes us rich. People who are rich and are greedy for more money is a sin. People who are rich but give time to give to God (like tithes) and help the people around them is not a sin. If anything, they are being a tool for God to show love. These are my thoughts. But it is better to pray over the word then to interpret what "you" think it means. God bless. flowerforyou