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i've had guns pulled on me twice Were you carrying a gun at the time? Was it helpful? |
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I had guns piulled on me twice also. i got a free Mossberg 500 pump and a Ruger blackpowder revolver out of those deals... after i almost beat the idiots to death.....
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the problem is the lack of honest law biding people not permitted to carry in my opinion How many of us have actually been a witness to gun violence? Or have been shot at? Or have had a weapon simply brought to bear on them? Not as a Law Enforcement officer or as military personnel.. Simply as a law abiding citizen. I'm guessing not many.. Maybe measured somewhere between a a half dozen to 10 of all of us who have posted in all the forums, thus far. My experiences are both when I was armed and not armed. To believe... even with the best of training that a weapon will keep you safe from someone intent on doing you harm? Is simply a false sense of security that will most likely put you in places you would otherwise not be.. Doing things you would otherwise not do... and bring your short life to a shorter end. Or worse.. lose somebody close to you. All because you want to exercise your right to have a false sense of security. Gun violence happens quickly. Usually the perpetrator does not warn you of their intent... It ends as soon as it begins. If you have a weapon on you or near you? Chances are you will not have the time or opportunity to use it without getting yourself or someone else shot. So.. erase all those images of what gun violence is like, you may have gleaned from the last action movie you saw... That is not the reality. You are not John McCain and this is not the set of Die Hard. The only time I've even considered carrying in the last 10 years or so was when I was helping a friend/ colleague of mine, serve papers for an investigation he was running involving some of our local meth cooks. I knew I was getting into a touchy situation and was trying to be prepared accordingly... Typically? Crime does not take advantage of those who are in that mindset. Crime takes advantage of those who are unaware. Personally? I'd rather be aware and unarmed then always armed and not aware. In other words.. being aware is a much better deterrent then being armed. As well as.. there is no risk of my shooting an innocent with my awareness. hmmm. using that loguc, i better not drive anymore as i might go postal and run someone over. |
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i've had guns pulled on me twice And? i lost money once, another time i was in my car and i just drove away. Were you carrying a gun at the time? Was it helpful? was not armed. in neither situation would it have been halpful. i've since learned my lesson. though it would not have helped, it would have been nice to have the option to defend myself it the **** hit the fan |
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I am always aware and always armed.
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hmmm. using that loguc, i better not drive anymore as i might go postal and run someone over. Yeah, yeah.. How many of use carry cars as a weapon of self defense? |
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cars are used as an offensive weapon more often than a defensive weapon
about the only way to use it as a defensive weapon is drive away or run over the perc |
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hmmm. using that loguc, i better not drive anymore as i might go postal and run someone over. Yeah, yeah.. How many of use carry cars as a weapon of self defense? how many use cars for drive by shootings... hit and runs..... drunk driving...... |
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So, we have a gun problem? Next thing, you'll be saying "Guns kill people". I like your idea Single_Rob...mandatory that head of households be armed 24/7, but what about the little wifey? She should be armed, too. lol - who's to say she's not the head of the household 
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Edited by
rambill79
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Wed 04/16/08 06:51 AM
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the problem is the lack of honest law biding people not permitted to carry in my opinion How many of us have actually been a witness to gun violence? Or have been shot at? Or have had a weapon simply brought to bear on them? Not as a Law Enforcement officer or as military personnel.. Simply as a law abiding citizen. I'm guessing not many.. Maybe measured somewhere between a a half dozen to 10 of all of us who have posted in all the forums, thus far. My experiences are both when I was armed and not armed. To believe... even with the best of training that a weapon will keep you safe from someone intent on doing you harm? Is simply a false sense of security that will most likely put you in places you would otherwise not be.. Doing things you would otherwise not do... and bring your short life to a shorter end. Or worse.. lose somebody close to you. All because you want to exercise your right to have a false sense of security. Gun violence happens quickly. Usually the perpetrator does not warn you of their intent... It ends as soon as it begins. If you have a weapon on you or near you? Chances are you will not have the time or opportunity to use it without getting yourself or someone else shot. So.. erase all those images of what gun violence is like, you may have gleaned from the last action movie you saw... That is not the reality. You are not John McCain and this is not the set of Die Hard. The only time I've even considered carrying in the last 10 years or so was when I was helping a friend/ colleague of mine, serve papers for an investigation he was running involving some of our local meth cooks. I knew I was getting into a touchy situation and was trying to be prepared accordingly... Typically? Crime does not take advantage of those who are in that mindset. Crime takes advantage of those who are unaware. Personally? I'd rather be aware and unarmed then always armed and not aware. In other words.. being aware is a much better deterrent then being armed. As well as.. there is no risk of my shooting an innocent with my awareness. hmmm. using that loguc, i better not drive anymore as i might go postal and run someone over. if your dumb enough to shoot someone by not having situational awarenes, then you shouldent be packin but please dont disarm those of us who are in fact actually aware of whats going on around us. This myth of an armed populace shooting each other by the thousands because we get mad is hollywood bull**** more than any basis in fact. I as a shooter know whats going to happen when i pull the trigger and im not likely to shoot someone without a damn good reason. Both times i was held up, i was packin but both times i disarmed the idiot ' "manually", without resortig to gunplay. Both times i looked at the weapon, one had the safety on and the other had empty chambers. Also both times i kept their Gun. Under the liberal/commie logic, i would have shot without thinking. i thought a lot, sized up the situation and used the method that worked best. I dont pack because my unit is small, or because i want to grease someone for sport,or because they hit on my girlfriend, or over some argument, its gonna be a last resort, life and death scenario. The liberal dribble that implies that gun owners are mindless idiots waiting to blast someone just aint true. living WITH a gun is different than living BY the gun. |
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the problem is the lack of honest law biding people not permitted to carry in my opinion How many of us have actually been a witness to gun violence? Or have been shot at? Or have had a weapon simply brought to bear on them? Not as a Law Enforcement officer or as military personnel.. Simply as a law abiding citizen. I'm guessing not many.. Maybe measured somewhere between a a half dozen to 10 of all of us who have posted in all the forums, thus far. My experiences are both when I was armed and not armed. To believe... even with the best of training that a weapon will keep you safe from someone intent on doing you harm? Is simply a false sense of security that will most likely put you in places you would otherwise not be.. Doing things you would otherwise not do... and bring your short life to a shorter end. Or worse.. lose somebody close to you. All because you want to exercise your right to have a false sense of security. Gun violence happens quickly. Usually the perpetrator does not warn you of their intent... It ends as soon as it begins. If you have a weapon on you or near you? Chances are you will not have the time or opportunity to use it without getting yourself or someone else shot. So.. erase all those images of what gun violence is like, you may have gleaned from the last action movie you saw... That is not the reality. You are not John McCain and this is not the set of Die Hard. The only time I've even considered carrying in the last 10 years or so was when I was helping a friend/ colleague of mine, serve papers for an investigation he was running involving some of our local meth cooks. I knew I was getting into a touchy situation and was trying to be prepared accordingly... Typically? Crime does not take advantage of those who are in that mindset. Crime takes advantage of those who are unaware. Personally? I'd rather be aware and unarmed then always armed and not aware. In other words.. being aware is a much better deterrent then being armed. As well as.. there is no risk of my shooting an innocent with my awareness. |
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Edited by
Jistme
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Wed 04/16/08 08:32 AM
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I am aware and armed jist. Look up the statistics for two years ago the number of times a ccw holder used their weapon to protect themselves, within legal limitations mind you. You may jsut be suprised Why would I be? The actual number is really very small. Compared to overall crime statistics, or to the number of CCW permits and home weapons in the United States. Which indicates that carrying/ keeping a weapon is very rarely a sound measure of defense. Actually.. Your car would be a better one..to remove yourself from the situation... before it actually happens. I don't give much credence to much of the statistics out there that claim high percentages of crime prevented by legal gun owners. If you crunch the numbers? They tend to be a higher percentage then violent crime itself. In other words.. The data does not correlate. There is no way that 150% of violent crime was prevented by legally held firearms. |
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I am aware and armed jist. Look up the statistics for two years ago the number of times a ccw holder used their weapon to protect themselves, within legal limitations mind you. You may jsut be suprised Why would I be? The actual number is really very small. Compared to overall crime statistics, or to the number of CCW permits and home weapons in the United States. Which indicates that carrying/ keeping a weapon is very rarely a sound measure of defense. Actually.. Your car would be a better one..to remove yourself from the situation... before it actually happens. I don't give much credence to much of the statistics out there that claim high percentages of crime prevented by legal gun owners. If you crunch the numbers? They tend to be a higher percentage then violent crime itself. In other words.. The data does not correlate. There is no way that 150% of violent crime was prevented by legally held firearms. |
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You know, I have seen enough of the b****ing about guns, more often than not a person will kill another person with their hands, a knife, or something else. I do not see proposed anti knife laws out there, always the guns.
It is not the gun's fault, do not put a ban on guns, however, go ahead make it legal for all to carry them, concealed even, I'll bet if you were a criminal, you would think twice before f***ing with someone, because who knows, they may fire back. Speaking of criminals, they should bring back the public execution, if criminals saw what could happen to them, and didn't want to suffer the indignity of being put to death before an audience, I am willing to bet the level of crime, especially violent crimes would go down. Maybe even make lesser crimes a capitol offense. That will get the criminals attention for sure, get arrested for selling dope, no more spending years in jail, straight to the gallows. |
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I as a shooter know whats going to happen when i pull the trigger and im not likely to shoot someone without a damn good reason. Uh-huh.. Neither would I.. But to say it is impossible for me to make a mistake? Even our trained military cannot make that claim. Statistics indicate otherwise. Friendly fire casualties in U.S. history. World War II 21% Korea 18% Vietnam 39% Persian Gulf 52% Panama .08% Haiti 0% Iraq 41% Afghanistan 13% So.. I'm led to believe... Well.. nevermind. No use telling someone who thinks they are perfect that they are human and not infallible. |
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if one life is saved by the ccw it is well worth having
why is it so many want to tell law biding citizens what they can and can not do no one has the right to do it and you should not need a law to be able to protect yourself it is a constitutional right if you want an unarmed public move and yell and scream all you want those who refuse to do research are those that are uninformed and have prejudged views (thus making them biased and nearly useless) |
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I as a shooter know whats going to happen when i pull the trigger and im not likely to shoot someone without a damn good reason. Uh-huh.. Neither would I.. But to say it is impossible for me to make a mistake? Even our trained military cannot make that claim. Statistics indicate otherwise. Friendly fire casualties in U.S. history. World War II 21% Korea 18% Vietnam 39% Persian Gulf 52% Panama .08% Haiti 0% Iraq 41% Afghanistan 13% So.. I'm led to believe... Well.. nevermind. No use telling someone who thinks they are perfect that they are human and not infallible. |
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I as a shooter know whats going to happen when i pull the trigger and im not likely to shoot someone without a damn good reason. Uh-huh.. Neither would I.. But to say it is impossible for me to make a mistake? Even our trained military cannot make that claim. Statistics indicate otherwise. Friendly fire casualties in U.S. history. World War II 21% Korea 18% Vietnam 39% Persian Gulf 52% Panama .08% Haiti 0% Iraq 41% Afghanistan 13% So.. I'm led to believe... Well.. nevermind. No use telling someone who thinks they are perfect that they are human and not infallible. a good point on why the govt should not control gun use keep the govt out of it (for law biding and those not proven to be of nonsound mind) thx dave |
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if one life is saved by the ccw it is well worth having why is it so many want to tell law biding citizens what they can and can not do no one has the right to do it and you should not need a law to be able to protect yourself it is a constitutional right if you want an unarmed public move and yell and scream all you want those who refuse to do research are those that are uninformed and have prejudged views (thus making them biased and nearly useless) I'm not yelling or screaming. All I am trying to discuss is the practicality of carrying a weapon. Sure..it is your right! Just because you consider it to be a right, does not mean you need to or have to... I doubt there is anything I could do to control your gun use or lack there of.. that isn't already being done. Should an armed rebellion or invasion break out in Oregon... Or I need to feed myself and mine with it... My willingness to be unarmed will change accordingly ~ Legal or not. In the meantime.. Keeping weapons, for me, is impractical...as it is for most. lilitary fatalities? Hell why don't ou also list the number of people in theatre? War is hell jist, and our war here is no different Nope.. Casualties. Both fatal and non-fatal. Not including murder, deliberate/accidental or self inflicted. Yes.. I'm sure war is hell. Not having experienced any military combat. However I have experienced and been witness to gun play more times then I care to count. Changing my life style has had a tremendous effect on that dynamic. One of those changes, was to lose the fire arms. |
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sorry dave
i apologize for not clarifying that the yelling and screaming line was not personally aimed at you but aimed at all who want over bearing control (not you necessarily) but i can see how you would think it was be well and may much good come to you and yours |
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