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Topic: Funs with Guns
toastedoranges's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:32 PM



This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America.


Gun's don't kill people, irresponsible junkie's/drug dealers/cartel members/gang bangers/drunk redneck's/police kill people...


if they would legalize and regulate the drugs then that may reduce some of the gun issues then (sounds logical to me)


legalizing drugs would stop a lot of problems

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:32 PM

Responsible and accurate hopefully but would not be the case most of the time


well, it would be irresponsible to have a gun and not be able to hit what you're aiming at. wouldn't it?

i've been shooting since i was 5, nearly 20 years. i tend to hit things i'm aiming at


I too was raised around guns and taught how to use them and so on, my aim would not be good now I am sure as I have not shot a gun for many many years but I would be better than someone who has no familiarity with them. Not all who have and own guns are responsible with the weapon, it is shown all the time with the guns being in the kids hands and they shoot their brother, sister, friend, etc..

toastedoranges's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:33 PM
my father went to a public school, and he was on the rifle team there. My how times have changed


well, now guns are evil and kill people. then, they were objects to be respected. merely objects, not something that has a will of it's own

Single_Rob's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:35 PM

my father went to a public school, and he was on the rifle team there. My how times have changed


well, now guns are evil and kill people. then, they were objects to be respected. merely objects, not something that has a will of it's own
it is the result of the government trying to raise our children now. There are so many limts on how you can/cannot correct your childrens behavior that they dems are going to start handing out an instruction manual

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:36 PM




This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America.


Gun's don't kill people, irresponsible junkie's/drug dealers/cartel members/gang bangers/drunk redneck's/police kill people...


if they would legalize and regulate the drugs then that may reduce some of the gun issues then (sounds logical to me)


legalizing drugs would stop a lot of problems


We would need to address far more than just drugs, gangs, police, drunk people, etc... We would need to address drunk neighbors, road rage, domestic violence, disgruntled workers, mentally unwell children, irresponsible gun owners, etc.... It goes on and on and who can control all of these things? That is the real issue, control of all of these things to address guns is larger than anything even the government so then what?

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:37 PM
I pricked my finger with a pin, they should be illegal too. That and vehicles, cause vehicles kill more and more each year. Don't forget alcohol too, that and ciggarette's...

Single_Rob's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:38 PM
Edited by Single_Rob on Mon 04/14/08 08:42 PM





This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America.


Gun's don't kill people, irresponsible junkie's/drug dealers/cartel members/gang bangers/drunk redneck's/police kill people...


if they would legalize and regulate the drugs then that may reduce some of the gun issues then (sounds logical to me)


legalizing drugs would stop a lot of problems


We would need to address far more than just drugs, gangs, police, drunk people, etc... We would need to address drunk neighbors, road rage, domestic violence, disgruntled workers, mentally unwell children, irresponsible gun owners, etc.... It goes on and on and who can control all of these things? That is the real issue, control of all of these things to address guns is larger than anything even the government so then what?
simple, take the government interference out of civilians personal lives. You cannot legislate morality, no matter how hard you try.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:42 PM






This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America.


Gun's don't kill people, irresponsible junkie's/drug dealers/cartel members/gang bangers/drunk redneck's/police kill people...


if they would legalize and regulate the drugs then that may reduce some of the gun issues then (sounds logical to me)


legalizing drugs would stop a lot of problems


We would need to address far more than just drugs, gangs, police, drunk people, etc... We would need to address drunk neighbors, road rage, domestic violence, disgruntled workers, mentally unwell children, irresponsible gun owners, etc.... It goes on and on and who can control all of these things? That is the real issue, control of all of these things to address guns is larger than anything even the government so then what?
simple, take the government interference out of cicilians personal lives. You cannot legislate morality, no matter how hard you try.


Noone even mentioned morality. Most of the above mentioned problems have nothing to do with morality. I still believe guns should be tracked and controlled and there is noone to do it other than the government, state, city, national etc... but that is the only ones who can even slightly touch it.

toastedoranges's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:47 PM
We would need to address far more than just drugs, gangs, police, drunk people, etc... We would need to address drunk neighbors, road rage, domestic violence, disgruntled workers, mentally unwell children, irresponsible gun owners, etc.... It goes on and on and who can control all of these things? That is the real issue, control of all of these things to address guns is larger than anything even the government so then what?


i was speaking on a more general basis for that last comment. legalizing drugs would stop a lot of drug related violence, trafficing, several of my probs with law enforcement and the gov, mass spread of disease by dirty needles, etc etc...

patrick773202's photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:50 PM
my school has been closed down cause of these damn gun threats! its really ruining my educational expericence? haha not really break is nice, but it is crazy stuff! it is nt funny at all!

no photo
Mon 04/14/08 08:59 PM
i wouldent send my kid to public schools UNARMED. hows that politically incorrect / logical thinking?

Lordling's photo
Mon 04/14/08 09:34 PM
Edited by Lordling on Mon 04/14/08 10:00 PM
When I was 7 years old, my father took me out into the yard, handed me a double-barreled 10ga shotgun, went through basic operation & safety, then told me to shoot a cottonwood tree. I complied, and about 5 minutes later, I woke up with a healthy respect for firearms. Not fear...respect. This is what is lacking in civil society today. Who shall we blame? The government? Well, yes, and no. We (as a society) were so worried about quelling barbarous and violent behavior, that we allowed...nay, demanded, that the government control firearms. This courtship & desire for nanny government has come back to bite us in the a$$.

Another reflection that I've always found grimly amusing is that it is primarily the "Liberals" who advocate gun control. They, who supposedly embrace the philosophy that individual freedom is of paramount importance. This is an undeniable proof that "Liberals" are nothing of the sort; they are Socialists (Loyalists) who advocate boundless free choice with no intrinsic moral or true civic responsibility. A modern "Liberal" platform advocates that we utilize the government and it's resources to shore up the decaying foundation of human society. What they don't seem to realize is, that is precisely what has brought us to the point where we now find ourselves.

Incidentally, "Liberals" are nothing new. During the birth of the 1st American Revolution, there were many who balked at insurrection - who had vested interests in the British government retaining control of the colonies - who shunned violence of any kind, as un-Christian and barbaric - who "just didn't want to get involved" - who feared reprisals by the Crown. It wasn't much better during the 2nd American Revolution, but we won on a technicality. What I'm afraid of is, not that we might lose the 3rd one, but that we won't have the collective guts (nor the means) to fight it at all.

Lindyy's photo
Tue 04/15/08 07:35 AM
It is true, guns do not kill, people kill. Both intentionally and accidentally.

I definitely believe in the right to bear arms.

But, I do not like guns BECAUSE, I come from a family of hunters. I had two cousins killed by being negligent with their hunting rifles - total accidents and total carelessness.

Everyone should take lessons on the proper handling and use of firearms.

Just as someone else noted, you can kill with a butcher knife, the knife does not kill.

My son was killed in a hit and run accident. The car did not kill, the driver did.

Lindyy
:heart:


Single_Rob's photo
Tue 04/15/08 07:39 AM







This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by america. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? wether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America.


Gun's don't kill people, irresponsible junkie's/drug dealers/cartel members/gang bangers/drunk redneck's/police kill people...


if they would legalize and regulate the drugs then that may reduce some of the gun issues then (sounds logical to me)


legalizing drugs would stop a lot of problems


We would need to address far more than just drugs, gangs, police, drunk people, etc... We would need to address drunk neighbors, road rage, domestic violence, disgruntled workers, mentally unwell children, irresponsible gun owners, etc.... It goes on and on and who can control all of these things? That is the real issue, control of all of these things to address guns is larger than anything even the government so then what?
simple, take the government interference out of cicilians personal lives. You cannot legislate morality, no matter how hard you try.


Noone even mentioned morality. Most of the above mentioned problems have nothing to do with morality. I still believe guns should be tracked and controlled and there is noone to do it other than the government, state, city, national etc... but How can you say that? It is the lack of morales with the majority of the criminals that causes them to committ the crimes that they do. No amount of legislation will affect their decision making. So in essense making something illegal will not keep criminals from committing crimes, only a proper upbringing, and respect, which legislation will accomplish neither

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/15/08 08:14 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Tue 04/15/08 08:18 AM
underlying causes of preventable death in the United states in the year 2000:

Tobacco - 435,000
Poor diet and inadequate exercise - 100,000 to 400,000
Alcohol - 85,000
Bacteria and viruses - 75,000
Polluted workplaces and neighborhoods - 55,000
Motor vehicles - 43,000
Firearms - 29,000
Sexual behavior - 20,000
Illegal drugs - 17,000


Now bear in mind that the statistics on gun related deaths are including criminals who got shot by police, and those who were defending themselves in their own home. In my opinion the "poor diet and inadequate exercise" pretty much sums everything up. People are becoming increasingly lazy and irresponsible.

I would say based on these statistics before anyone passes anymore gun control laws they have to making smoking illegal, as well as fast foods, and make it mandetory to exercise for at least 40 minutes a day, and have mandatory public transportation. But, that is just wrong. Truth is, if people want to partake in risky behavior they need to accept the consequences. Even if it's death. This is the problem i have with most laws.

Anyway, according to statistics, providing everything else is the same, places with less gun control have less violent crimes. If you don't believe me just look at the Swiss. I'm pretty sure it's mandatory that everyone in that country have a firearm and know how to use it. And their crime rate is very low.

Single_Rob's photo
Tue 04/15/08 08:24 AM

underlying causes of preventable death in the United states in the year 2000:

Tobacco - 435,000
Poor diet and inadequate exercise - 100,000 to 400,000
Alcohol - 85,000
Bacteria and viruses - 75,000
Polluted workplaces and neighborhoods - 55,000
Motor vehicles - 43,000
Firearms - 29,000
Sexual behavior - 20,000
Illegal drugs - 17,000


Now bear in mind that the statistics on gun related deaths are including criminals who got shot by police, and those who were defending themselves in their own home. In my opinion the "poor diet and inadequate exercise" pretty much sums everything up. People are becoming increasingly lazy and irresponsible.

I would say based on these statistics before anyone passes anymore gun control laws they have to making smoking illegal, as well as fast foods, and make it mandetory to exercise for at least 40 minutes a day, and have mandatory public transportation. But, that is just wrong. Truth is, if people want to partake in risky behavior they need to accept the consequences. Even if it's death. This is the problem i have with most laws.

Anyway, according to statistics, providing everything else is the same, places with less gun control have less violent crimes. If you don't believe me just look at the Swiss. I'm pretty sure it's mandatory that everyone in that country have a firearm and know how to use it. And their crime rate is very low.
My favorite statistic was when they did the assualt weapon ban. Assualt weapons accounted for like 2% of all violent crime, and feet and fists accounted for 8%. Really showed you what the government was really trying to acomplish with the ban

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/15/08 08:31 AM
yeah, that's what scares me...

adj4u's photo
Tue 04/15/08 04:08 PM

yeah, that's what scares me...



ditto

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 04/15/08 04:52 PM

underlying causes of preventable death in the United states in the year 2000:

Tobacco - 435,000
Poor diet and inadequate exercise - 100,000 to 400,000
Alcohol - 85,000
Bacteria and viruses - 75,000
Polluted workplaces and neighborhoods - 55,000
Motor vehicles - 43,000
Firearms - 29,000
Sexual behavior - 20,000
Illegal drugs - 17,000


Now bear in mind that the statistics on gun related deaths are including criminals who got shot by police, and those who were defending themselves in their own home. In my opinion the "poor diet and inadequate exercise" pretty much sums everything up. People are becoming increasingly lazy and irresponsible.

I would say based on these statistics before anyone passes anymore gun control laws they have to making smoking illegal, as well as fast foods, and make it mandetory to exercise for at least 40 minutes a day, and have mandatory public transportation. But, that is just wrong. Truth is, if people want to partake in risky behavior they need to accept the consequences. Even if it's death. This is the problem i have with most laws.

Anyway, according to statistics, providing everything else is the same, places with less gun control have less violent crimes. If you don't believe me just look at the Swiss. I'm pretty sure it's mandatory that everyone in that country have a firearm and know how to use it. And their crime rate is very low.


Good point. I didn't look into statistics but I already knew that guns don't account for the majority of deaths.

IamMewhoRU's photo
Tue 04/15/08 05:14 PM
bigsmile guess my threads do alot of good after all. Cool.

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