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Topic: Funs with Guns
rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Mon 04/21/08 04:41 PM
i like to take my shot from the next county, personally.

Jistme Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 2991	Mon 04/21/08 09:03 PM Edited by Jistme on Mon 04/21/08 09:18 PM
jist... does it always mean self defense to u when someone mentions Guns? Nope.. It doesn't.. Not in the least. I have shot many targets in my time. Enjoyed it too. I also enjoyed my training with a multitude of firearms. Including the Remington 700, Remington 870, Ruger Mini 14 and Glock 9mm. I was trained by a war vet and retired cop, who I work with to this day. I also enjoyed a collection of antique weapons, including a Henry, some British arms, some pocket pistols, a war era 1911 Colt 45, a Colt model 1855 and a model 90 Winchester.... Which happened to be my favorite plinking rifle. I have also been paid to guide hunters in the Sierra's and Cascades. Taking deer, elk, bear and cougar. Much of it? Was just north of where our Marines did their cold weather training.. I lived there for months with no resupply.. nothing I didn't take. I have spent a significant part of my life in the wilderness and surviving by the gun and sometimes..without. I also enjoy riding motorcycles on mountain roads at full throttle, and building rally cars that can handle a 40' hairpin entering at 60+ miles an hour. So? I stopped some of those hobbies and practices.. Soon after I hit a deer with a Moto Guzzi doing about 70 miles an hour. The deer died and I ate it. The bike was never the same. I came out without a scratch. The topic we are supposed to be speaking of. Is the gun problem. Remember? It was about 20 somethin pages back. This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by America. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? whether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America. The last time I brought up my feelings or experience... One of you accused me of ill behavior. If I had a propensity to take things as personally as some of you.. I would be insulted... with random comments about being a commie, an idiot or talking out of my @ss..... Fortunately? I am pretty flexible and can argue a point from any point.. If I have a sound premise. I also consider the source.. So no harm is done. So.. What the f@ck do you guys want from me now?

Jistme Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 2991	Mon 04/21/08 09:53 PM Edited by Jistme on Mon 04/21/08 10:10 PM
LATELY I HAVE BEEN INTO PELLET RIFLES, ACTUALLY A VERY ADULT SPORT THESE DAYS, These days? Some of those rifles have always been viable weapons. I had a spring loaded 22 for years that would bring down small to medium game. It was a b!tch to carry into the back country though. Weighing nearly as much as a firearm and ammunition. The advantage? I could carry lots more ammunition and the report would be less noticeable. Hell.. with a good shot? I could kill a deer with that weapon.. I have. So.. I often went without either, if I did not have a pack animal. Relying on traps and other methods. So.. Are you pissed because your hobby is threatened? Or your right to defend yourself is threatened? Or your right to defend your country is threatened? I feel free to ask that in separate terms.. Since you asked me if it always means 'self defense'. Which one is most important? Or which is the least important? Edit... By the way? A sling.. can take you down. Split a skull from 10 yards as well as a firearm. As primitive a tool as it is.. It is a pretty effective one. A much more compact weapon then any gun and ammunition is everywhere

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Tue 04/22/08 03:52 PM
who said i was pissed??? hmmmm anger issues here.

Jistme Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 2991	Tue 04/22/08 06:28 PM
who said i was pissed??? Ummmm... Nope. Hmmmm.. Paranoia issues?

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/22/08 07:14 PM Edited by Single_Rob on Tue 04/22/08 07:15 PM
I had a spring loaded 22 for years that would bring down small to medium game. It was a b!tch to carry into the back country though. Weighing nearly as much as a firearm and ammunition. The advantage? I could carry lots more ammunition and the report would be less noticeable. Hell.. with a good shot? I could kill a deer with that weapon.. I have. I tried to bite my tongue, but I must respond to this one. The most powerful spring loaded .22 air gun available shoots ~1,000 fps., with a bullet ~16 grains. The most muzzle energy produced by any .22 pellets out of the most powerful spring loaded air rifle available in that caliber is 15.3 ft lbs. You might shoot the eye out of a deer, or perhaps even get an arterial hit that will eventually bleed the animal out in the most inhumane of ways, but no hunter would ever do this. A hunter loves the animal he hunts, and wishes to dispatch it in the quickest possible fashion. Why would you even say something like this? It brings into question your credibility. I have two rws rifles, I know what their capabilities are, and would be more than happy to show you the chronographs from both the .177, and .22 rifles when I get back. I sure hope you can validate that story with something other than your word. If you would have said something like a quakenbush, you may have gotten away with it (http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/) but your story is irresponsible, implausible, and if true (which is highly, highly doubtful) incredibly inhumane.

Lordling Joined Mon 12/31/07 Posts: 536	Tue 04/22/08 09:10 PM Edited by Lordling on Tue 04/22/08 09:11 PM
I had a spring loaded 22 for years that would bring down small to medium game. It was a b!tch to carry into the back country though. Weighing nearly as much as a firearm and ammunition. The advantage? I could carry lots more ammunition and the report would be less noticeable. Hell.. with a good shot? I could kill a deer with that weapon.. I have. I tried to bite my tongue, but I must respond to this one. The most powerful spring loaded .22 air gun available shoots ~1,000 fps., with a bullet ~16 grains. The most muzzle energy produced by any .22 pellets out of the most powerful spring loaded air rifle available in that caliber is 15.3 ft lbs. You might shoot the eye out of a deer, or perhaps even get an arterial hit that will eventually bleed the animal out in the most inhumane of ways, but no hunter would ever do this. A hunter loves the animal he hunts, and wishes to dispatch it in the quickest possible fashion. Why would you even say something like this? It brings into question your credibility. I have two rws rifles, I know what their capabilities are, and would be more than happy to show you the chronographs from both the .177, and .22 rifles when I get back. I sure hope you can validate that story with something other than your word. If you would have said something like a quakenbush, you may have gotten away with it (http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/) but your story is irresponsible, implausible, and if true (which is highly, highly doubtful) incredibly inhumane. No offense (or belligerence ) intended, but I'm also very interested, as a fellow air rifle enthusiast & collector (1978 Crosman 760XL PM .177, 1974 Mod 3120 Benjamin .22, 1958 Mod 1320 Benjamin .22 pistol). First off, as far as I know, it's illegal to air-hunt big game with anything under a .40, and secondly, most ballistics tests (Pyramyd Air for example) indicate that at least a .45 with 250ft/lbs are needed to humanely bring down the average (120-150lbs) deer with a 10-15min bleed-out. Was it a fawn?

Jistme Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 2991	Tue 04/22/08 09:25 PM
I tried to bite my tongue, but I must respond to this one. The most powerful spring loaded .22 air gun available shoots ~1,000 fps., with a bullet ~16 grains. The most muzzle energy produced by any .22 pellets out of the most powerful spring loaded air rifle available in that caliber is 15.3 ft lbs. You might shoot the eye out of a deer, or perhaps even get an arterial hit that will eventually bleed the animal out in the most inhumane of ways, but no hunter would ever do this. A hunter loves the animal he hunts, and wishes to dispatch it in the quickest possible fashion. Why would you even say something like this? It brings into question your credibility. I have two rws rifles, I know what their capabilities are, and would be more than happy to show you the chronographs from both the .177, and .22 rifles when I get back. I sure hope you can validate that story with something other than your word. If you would have said something like a quakenbush, you may have gotten away with it (http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/) but your story is irresponsible, implausible, and if true (which is highly, highly doubtful) incredibly inhumane. I have.. with one shot. When I caught up with it.. a knife. The rifle I used was 900 foot pounds. The deer I shot was a yearling. The hit was just below the skull, and stopped in the frontal lobe. I shot from a hide about 30 feet from her. She ran for a bit. No more then an elk with a heart shot. I needed that deer. Weather was changing, my traps weren't working well and fishing was poor. I was deep in back country. It would have taken 3 to 5 days to get out. More if I was malnourished. That deer fed me well for a few days. I was 14 years old. Rob? I know you are giving your best effort to discredit me. I know you think I called you a fanatic. I also know I tried to clear that up with you. I amend that. You may not be a fanatic.. But.. You are acting fanatically, or as a little boy would act. Do everyone a favor? Go pound sand til you get your attitude right.

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/22/08 09:33 PM Edited by Single_Rob on Tue 04/22/08 09:47 PM
I tried to bite my tongue, but I must respond to this one. The most powerful spring loaded .22 air gun available shoots ~1,000 fps., with a bullet ~16 grains. The most muzzle energy produced by any .22 pellets out of the most powerful spring loaded air rifle available in that caliber is 15.3 ft lbs. You might shoot the eye out of a deer, or perhaps even get an arterial hit that will eventually bleed the animal out in the most inhumane of ways, but no hunter would ever do this. A hunter loves the animal he hunts, and wishes to dispatch it in the quickest possible fashion. Why would you even say something like this? It brings into question your credibility. I have two rws rifles, I know what their capabilities are, and would be more than happy to show you the chronographs from both the .177, and .22 rifles when I get back. I sure hope you can validate that story with something other than your word. If you would have said something like a quakenbush, you may have gotten away with it (http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/) but your story is irresponsible, implausible, and if true (which is highly, highly doubtful) incredibly inhumane. I have.. with one shot. When I caught up with it.. a knife. The rifle I used was 900 foot pounds. The deer I shot was a yearling. The hit was just below the skull, and stopped in the frontal lobe. I shot from a hide about 30 feet from her. She ran for a bit. No more then an elk with a heart shot. I needed that deer. Weather was changing, my traps weren't working well and fishing was poor. I was deep in back country. It would have taken 3 to 5 days to get out. More if I was malnourished. That deer fed me well for a few days. I was 14 years old. Rob? I know you are giving your best effort to discredit me. I know you think I called you a fanatic. I also know I tried to clear that up with you. I amend that. You may not be a fanatic.. But.. You are acting fanatically, or as a little boy would act. Do everyone a favor? Go pound sand til you get your attitude right. wow dude, you got caught in a story and you tell me to pound sand? It's funny how you accuse me of this, and that, but the moment I question something that you have to say that is VERY questionable, you losr your composure. Wasn't it you in earlier posts that did this and more to my posts, questioning the validity, and direction they were taking? When I responded with my disaproval of your manner of gernalizations, and name calling you accused me of being paranoid? Yet when I do the same you resort to the same "paramoid" response you accused me of?

Lordling Joined Mon 12/31/07 Posts: 536	Tue 04/22/08 09:37 PM Edited by Lordling on Tue 04/22/08 09:39 PM
I tried to bite my tongue, but I must respond to this one. The most powerful spring loaded .22 air gun available shoots ~1,000 fps., with a bullet ~16 grains. The most muzzle energy produced by any .22 pellets out of the most powerful spring loaded air rifle available in that caliber is 15.3 ft lbs. You might shoot the eye out of a deer, or perhaps even get an arterial hit that will eventually bleed the animal out in the most inhumane of ways, but no hunter would ever do this. A hunter loves the animal he hunts, and wishes to dispatch it in the quickest possible fashion. Why would you even say something like this? It brings into question your credibility. I have two rws rifles, I know what their capabilities are, and would be more than happy to show you the chronographs from both the .177, and .22 rifles when I get back. I sure hope you can validate that story with something other than your word. If you would have said something like a quakenbush, you may have gotten away with it (http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/) but your story is irresponsible, implausible, and if true (which is highly, highly doubtful) incredibly inhumane. I have.. with one shot. When I caught up with it.. a knife. The rifle I used was 900 foot pounds. The deer I shot was a yearling. The hit was just below the skull, and stopped in the frontal lobe. I shot from a hide about 30 feet from her. She ran for a bit. No more then an elk with a heart shot. I needed that deer. Weather was changing, my traps weren't working well and fishing was poor. I was deep in back country. It would have taken 3 to 5 days to get out. More if I was malnourished. That deer fed me well for a few days. I was 14 years old. Rob? I know you are giving your best effort to discredit me. I know you think I called you a fanatic. I also know I tried to clear that up with you. I amend that. You may not be a fanatic.. But.. You are acting fanatically, or as a little boy would act. Do everyone a favor? Go pound sand til you get your attitude right. Not attempting anything other than accuracy of information here, but one of the (if not the) strongest .22 air rifles is the Webley Patriot, rated at 40ft/lbs and 960fps w/a 14.4gr pellet. I think the Diana RWS 350 Magnum is the fastest at 1050fps, but requires a special light-weight pellet to get there. Did you mean 900fps? `PS Just wanted to add, that with a deer that young, I could see a lucky cranial shot bringing it down.

docburneraz Joined Mon 01/07/08 Posts: 417	Tue 04/22/08 11:05 PM
jist... does it always mean self defense to u when someone mentions Guns? Nope.. It doesn't.. Not in the least. I have shot many targets in my time. Enjoyed it too. I also enjoyed my training with a multitude of firearms. Including the Remington 700, Remington 870, Ruger Mini 14 and Glock 9mm. I was trained by a war vet and retired cop, who I work with to this day. I also enjoyed a collection of antique weapons, including a Henry, some British arms, some pocket pistols, a war era 1911 Colt 45, a Colt model 1855 and a model 90 Winchester.... Which happened to be my favorite plinking rifle. I have also been paid to guide hunters in the Sierra's and Cascades. Taking deer, elk, bear and cougar. Much of it? Was just north of where our Marines did their cold weather training.. I lived there for months with no resupply.. nothing I didn't take. I have spent a significant part of my life in the wilderness and surviving by the gun and sometimes..without. I also enjoy riding motorcycles on mountain roads at full throttle, and building rally cars that can handle a 40' hairpin entering at 60+ miles an hour. So? I stopped some of those hobbies and practices.. Soon after I hit a deer with a Moto Guzzi doing about 70 miles an hour. The deer died and I ate it. The bike was never the same. I came out without a scratch. The topic we are supposed to be speaking of. Is the gun problem. Remember? It was about 20 somethin pages back. This is my choice for the biggest threat not addressed by America. We have a gun problem...with everyone popping off so easy and quickly as well as public shooting sprees...are any of us safe anymore? Do we all have to pack? What the hell is going on in this country? Do we have a people behavioral problem as well? whether you live on the streets or you live in the hills this is a problem. Spill it America. The last time I brought up my feelings or experience... One of you accused me of ill behavior. If I had a propensity to take things as personally as some of you.. I would be insulted... with random comments about being a commie, an idiot or talking out of my @ss..... Fortunately? I am pretty flexible and can argue a point from any point.. If I have a sound premise. I also consider the source.. So no harm is done. So.. What the f@ck do you guys want from me now? Bridgeport/ Pickle meadow

docburneraz Joined Mon 01/07/08 Posts: 417	Tue 04/22/08 11:15 PM
I love some of the storied lives of people you meet here. Genuinely entertaining. The level of truthfulness remains to be seen

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/22/08 11:28 PM
<----eating popcorn and taking notes

lilith401 Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 19593	Fri 04/25/08 06:57 AM
So is this thread dead or not? (Typing while knowing this is bumping it back up......)

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Fri 04/25/08 12:20 PM
So is this thread dead or not? (Typing while knowing this is bumping it back up......) It's dead and buried although I decided to post my real pic so everyone could see how crazy I truly am. I am deranged for sure

lilith401 Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 19593	Fri 04/25/08 12:23 PM Edited by lilith401 on Fri 04/25/08 12:25 PM
So is this thread dead or not? (Typing while knowing this is bumping it back up......) It's dead and buried although I decided to post my real pic so everyone could see how crazy I truly am. I am deranged for sure I'm kinda sad it is dead. I was off for a few days and it just fizzled out. I do like the new pic. It is sort of caveman retro chic.... with a touch of deranged bad hygiene and grooming. I give it an A-. Of course, for an A it could not be posted due to content! TGIF, Rob.

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Fri 04/25/08 12:26 PM
So is this thread dead or not? (Typing while knowing this is bumping it back up......) It's dead and buried although I decided to post my real pic so everyone could see how crazy I truly am. I am deranged for sure I'm kinda sad it is dead. I was off for a few days and it just fizzled out. I do like the new pic. It is sort of caveman retro chic.... with a touch of deranged bad hygiene and grooming. I give it an A-. Of course, for an A it could not be posted due to content! TGIF, Rob. I wish I could say the same. Friday is just another day in the week for me. I wish it signified some sort of break

lilith401 Joined Wed 10/31/07 Posts: 19593	Fri 04/25/08 12:29 PM
My son calls them "stay at home days". Not that we usually do that, but we don't have to get up as early and such. Time passes faster and yet slower for you, I'm sure.