First, my condolences to your loss. Any fallen soldier I also feel the pain, because they are my brothers and sisters in arms.

Now please be very clear I mean absolutely no disrespect to ANY service man or woman in the armed forces.

With that said, I must present the facts from all points of views and as the overall condition.

Jason was a good man. He followed his orders and he did what he was told to do, just as any good soldier is trained to do. However, it was not his choices that sent him to Iraq. he had an extremely limited view of what was going on there. Both political and social. They were sent there on LIES!!! They were sent there on POLITICAL AGENDAS!!! They were sent to fight and die for someone elses gain..NOT AMERICAN FREEDOM!

Iraq was NEVER a true threat to America! It has just over 25 million people in population..Los Angeles and New York City combined has more people!!! They had not legitimate way of ATTACKING AMERICA!!!

MOST of the terrorist in the 9/11 tragedy were from SAUDIE ARABIA!!!!!

So PLEASE do not try to use the death of a single soldier as facts that this "war" is JUSTIFIED! The American government is putting American lives on the line for OIL!! THAT IS FACT! The Iraqi people will HATE America and Americans as they always have as soon as America stops its support and money flow into that country! It's historical FACT!

Let Jason rest in peace believing he died for a just cause. But please do not try to use it as any type of justification of trading American lives for OIL INTERESTS and POILITICAL AGENDAS!

What a great post!!!

Very good information! And I TOTALLY AGREE on the fact that PEOPLE MUST BE INFORMED OF ALL THE DETAILS on any given issue up for vote!

As they do in legislation now, they start with a little good pointed issue, then when the general populous says its ok, they throw in the last minute changes and "pork rolls" and make it into something very dirrent, or at least added a TON of CRAP that we the people never even know about!

And absolutely! As was posted, this would be a hell storm fight, because the powers that be (and its not only the government, its the money powerful ones that pull thier strings) will put up one hell of a fight to keep thier control and thier MONEY.

But, IT CAN BE DONE AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE UNITE AS AMERICANS..AS ONE PEOPLE! Hell China could do the same thing! No power in the world can hold back over 300 MILLION people! That government WILL LOSE! but they will use scare tactics, threats, even violence if need be. They will lie, deceive, manipulate..you name it, they will try it!

Later bro!

I think we can both agree on this....

If *ssholes could fly, Capitol Hill would be the busiest airport in the WORLD!

Thanks for the input. Now let me clarfy a few points. I never said the President would be fired. And when I referred to going to Capitol Hill and telling the congress and senate "you're fired" that was meant to the current bunch of crap we have sitting there, because the huge majority are carreer politicians who are bought and paid for.

I totaly agree we need REAL LEADERS for time critical situations that need immediate action. So a President and at least certain amount of cabinet type members is an absolute, and they would have the power to act on the people's behalf in times of crisis and time sensitive issues. However, no power would be "absolute".

A perfect example would be the "war" in Iraq. The majority of people, being well enough now informed, have seen the whole thing was BS! And the majority want our troops HOME! The President has the authority to send them there because it was deemed a state of emergency. But now its BS and we are sacraficing American lives for OIL! Its is another Vietnam and a total government cluster-f*ck!!! The people are screaming to get our troops out, but the government isn't listening!

As to the people ebing able to vote on all issues, let me also clarify. That was a GENERAL statement meaning that there would be a certain process that must take place first. Petition drives, showing cause, like a good benefit for the people, etc. Then a vote to occur on the matter.

It would be insanity to just allow some person to say, let's outlaw chocolate icecream! Thats frivolous and BS and simply will not happen.

On the other hand, certain extremely important issues can be set into motion, I can think of many that have been issues since I was a child and even before. Education, social security, health care, poverty, our so-called welfare system, etc. These are real problems that should have been solved years ago, but have only been manipulated as main subject matters to take the American's focus off other issues and visa versa.

I also very much agree, where are all the leader??? Lee Iaccocca wrote a wonderful book in the last couple of years. Take a read, you might enjoy it. It's called "Where have all the leaders gone?" I love it! Lee does not mince words, he tells it like it is.

But I also know that our government does not want things to change and they want to keep total control. I worked with a Congressman back in the early to mid 1990's. he was a good and honest person, but after his 4 year term, he stepped down. he told me personally that we could not even imagine the corruption, the backstabbing, the bs that goes on up on Captiol Hill and that he was not going to be part of it. It was too strong for any one person to change and if that person tried, they caught major hell from everyone else on the hill (which included death threats to him and his family!)

But a detailed plan COULD WORK! And the individual will ALWAYS be protected on many issues and that would be a priority. However, the minority will NOT dictate over the majority! Point in case, the moment of silence. Whether it be in school, at a high school football game, any other public event, if one person has an issue, well simply TOO BAD! Don;t go or deal with it! We should never allow 1 person to dictate to the majority. that is rediculous! Everyone has thier right to have thier opinion, but it will not be placed on the society as a whole when the majority has a different united stand. You live with that, or leave. No one will ever "force" anyone to do something they do not want to do. But that should NEVER prevent someone else the opportunity. As in a moment of silence at an event. That is not forcing anyone to do anything. if affords those who wish to pray (to any relious figure they choose..which include Satan) or they can sit there and do nothing for that 15 or 30 seconds.

And many things will be designed on a case by case basis at all levels. Not every situation is exact, therefore things must be considered as such.

But it is certain and fact. The United States of America is NOT the greatest country in the world any longer and is actually becoming a travesty ran by the greedy who has no real concern for this country and its people.

They PURPOSELY keep the people divided on many . Ever hear of the military strategy "divide and conquer"? Well that is being used on our own society now. And they have deliberately ran our education system into the ground, because people with non-thinking brains are easy to manipulate and lead to where they want them to go... and thats right to the slaughter house.. just like cattle!

So a detailed plan of "majority rules" and a "vote of the people make law" can resolve many critical issues with some time. But the American people MUST UNITE AS ONE and stand up against the government that has been built and shut them down!

I fully agree with the seperation of church and state. But as was my personal experience in school, there were no prayers said outload in the classroom. It was a simple 5 min of "silence" for the students to have before class. Some, including myself, prayed, others slept, some did nothing at all. never once did I see, nor hear of, any person being uncomfortable with this time. No one was ever looked differently upon.

Just because someone "feels" uncomfortable because everyone else is doing something is no reason to force others to stop. "The need of the many outweigh the need of the few". If that person has a problem going to a high school football game and the wish to say a prayer before the game, one to ask that no players get hurt, etc, etc, then why not? You don;t have to participate. And if you feel uncomfortable, then leave, or wait to enter until that time is over.

What you refer to is called "peer pressure" and that in many cases is self imflicted. That's also a part of life, so people need to learn to deal with thier problems and insecurities.

I am of the Christian faith, but have been to Jewish ceremonies, native American ceremonies and also some of the eastern cultures. I never once partook in the events, also nor did i feel uncomfortable or obligated to do so. I simply respect other's beliefs and if that is thier thing then its ok with me. If I was to ever feel uncomfortable, then i would simply leave and not return. It's that simple.

The United States of America was founded as a Christian land. Just as in other areas of the world, specific religions dominate. In the middle east, they are so strict, you could be killed for even bringing a Christian Bible into thier land. So the United States foundation was set on the Christian faith and values. So you can expect that to be the majority, thats just common sense. And to expect anyone just to drop thier religion or faith is just ludacris. We are all entitle to practice any faith here in the USA, it just so happens that Christianity is the domonant one.

But now, people go on crusades to rid this country of all religious identity. Like removing the word "God" from all government facilties. Well suess what, thats basically IMPOSSIBLE, unless you make sure all money is not on the premises. because on all the money it says "In God We Trust"!

So what does this hurt? People are simply too sensitive and its all about the "me" generation. More specifically, i would rather spend my time on much more important things, like bringing our troops home from Iraq, fixing our educational system, fixing our social security, fixing our industry, getting everyone over the poverty line, working on things that can help this country become great again.

i'm not going to waste my time because one person "get's thier feelings hurt" on something so pathetic and minute as they see a Biblical scriture posted someplace in a goverment building and they get thier panties in a wad. There are so many more IMPORTANT things that should take priority and that energy to use to fix more meaningful problems. Like I'm going to get upset if a Jewish person wants to pt some Jewish text on a pillar of a courthouse, giving it a Jewish blessing or something? Hell no! I'm not Jewish, but I would even consider that a good thing, because the intension is GOOD, no matter what the faith/religion! And that goes for even satanism..if they want to give Satan's blassing to guard, watch over and protect a courthouse of government building..go for it! I may not believe in thier religion, but hey, they are posting something good and positive..and thats all cool with me.

Yes, certain things are needed, I don;t argue that. But that is well less than HALF of this nations comsumption! The rest is the lazy ass American who feels the need to drive thier HUMMER down 6 blocks to the convenience store to grabs some chips to widen thier already fat ass, instead of walking down. I don;t see many stepping out to take a bus to work, traffic jams all over the country with millions of cars, with onlyt ONE PERSON in them!

So BS! There are hundreds of real ways for America to cut down its DEPENDANCY, or should I say LAZINESS and SELFISHNESS!

I have vehicles, yet I ride the city bus as often as i can..serves two fold, I conserve on fuel and it gives me a little exercise to boot.

I don't need to save the money, I could better afford it than most Americans, i do it because i don;t just pay lip service, I put ACTION behind it! I DO MY PART and not just talk about it. Now tell me how much could be saved? I say at LEAST 50% reduction. How can i say that? Because I cut mine down by 63% in 2007 (I kept logs), so I'm not just guessing. I also switched over to partial solar panels and looking into the wind turbines for this area.

So I speak from first hand experience and I know its not some major task, its actually VERY EASY to do.

And the oil companies "gouging"?? My *ass, they are making thier profit and they are entitled too.

If you were selling shoes and found that people would pay $50 for the shoes you usually sell for $20, you're telling me you would not sell them for the $50?? My *asss you wouldn;t and you sell at what people will pay. The bigger the profit the better for you and you would be very happy!

It's another simple issue. you don;t like it, then DO SOMETHING about it, stop your dependency on it, or at the very least LOWER you depndency on it. Conserve and the price goes DOWN! It's the CONSUMERS responsibility, NOT the governments.

Oh and as to Bush and Cheney..holy sheep chit Batman!! They are BOTH OIL OWNED..geez frickin Louis! Don't you know who these guys are??? The Bush family has so much oil interest it flows from every oraphis of thier bodies..and Cheney...one word.. HALLIBURTON!!!! Cheney made like 2.6 MILLION dollars last year (was listed on CNN) and he make 225K as VP...the rest was from HALLIBURTON OIL MONEY!!!!

I also checked out your link.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#popularelectoral


As it points out there, and it verified that this same thing just happened back in 2000, where Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the Electorial.

Now that we have much better technology, don;t you think we should reform and go to the straight "popular" vote..the actual vote of the people? I think that everything is in place to be able to do that easily now, and it ensures the people's voices are truely heard. What do you think??

That simply can't be. Please provide a link that would show this. Because it comes down now to simple math. If it is the "popular" vote that decides all Electorial votes, then it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the Electorial votes to differ from the popular vote and the Electorial vote would NEVER be possible to win over the popular vote. Again, simple math and common sense.

Pushing up daisies...

Worm feast....

Wait a sec. You don;t seem to know what a "player" is. So let me splain it to joo Lucy.

A "player" (both men and women) that are only out after a sexual conquest. Not for anything meaningful of a relationship.

Now from what you described, you are just talking about two poeple seeing each other, seeing if a relationship develops, has had sex, but things just don't work out. Nothing wrong with that. Both consenting adults, both attempting for a relationship...not any problems in any areas that I can see.

As to the does the internet make people want to be "players'. No, if that is thier mentality and drive, they will do it anywhere. Actually the internet is a dual edged sword. It has its downsides, but it also has some upsides as well. can be a great way to learn how to hone communication skills and enables you to get to know "the person" in ways without having to be face to face, so there can be less stress, especially for those who may be a bit shy.

So you wrap it up and take it home...turn the oven to 350 and cook for 45 min, then take off the first page and set to broil until its golden brown. serve warm.

Thanks for the specifics.

I can't tell you all the specifics, because i don;t know all that are out there. I simply know that the popular vote can be one thing, but the Electorial vote be another and the Electorial is the one that decides it. So by just looking at the common sense standpoint, that would make it impossible for the "popular" vote to even count, since it is not factored in and it is the Electorial vote that decides it.

Scary to think the majority of people would vote for someone like George W. Bush (and I am NOT picking on a party, I am niether REPOlican nor demoCRAP...I am AMERICAN and do what is best for my country) I mean just watching the man, he could be the poster child for MORONS!

At least he has given a lot of material to work with to the comedians!

Wouldn't having sex with loved ones in the same room make it your "best of both worlds"??

(just joking)

OK, no offense, just seemed kinda creepy seeing people thinking of things they could have changed on thier EX..one of those "fatal attraction" kinda things. I mean afterall it is an EX.

LOL..yeh I know what you mean. Someone summed that topic up a while back in the threads. Now don;t quote me exactly, but it was something like back in 1983 there were like 56 media owned companies for broadcasting...now there are 5. Hmmmm wonder who controls what we are watching???

No actually that's not correct. Your vote does not decide really anything. That's why it is possible to have the "popular vote" vote be for one candidate, but they lose because it is based on the Electorial vote. your vote does NOT make the deciding vote in the Electorial vote. if it did, then it would not be possible for the Electorial vote to win over the "popular" vote.

By the time the election hits, it will already be out of the PEOPLE's hands. The "popular vote" (the vote of the people) doesn't mean jack anymore. Hasn't for years.

And I applaud Exxon!!! They did just as they set out to do as day1 of thier business, make it success and PROFITABLE! Not for only them but all thier shareholders and thier employees!

That is basic business 101, supply and demand. You have the demand, makes the price go UP. You decrease demand, supply goes up and cost go DOWN.

The government has NO BUSINESS IN BUSINESS in MANY cases! Certain regulation must exist in some basic forms, but to attempt to restrict a company from making a profit (of ANY size), is NOT for our government to decide!

We, as comsumers have the power to change that ourselves! Simply by CONSERVATION! That alone would help greatly!

And the way the marketeers are manipulating the oil prices..my God man!! If there is ANYTHING our government should do is to stop the manipulators from fleecing the sheep! In oil, in the stock market...look what happened in housing..all done by MANIPULATION!!!

We are headed straight for the depression crash! And it's NOT far off brother!

Again, this is just a general outline. Of course individuals need to be protected. But that is on a "case by case" basis as it should be.

But now, "lawmakers" make laws we, the PEOPLE, don;t even get to see, know about or anything! Hence the reason why America is screwed!

It's the same now on state levels. the attorneys and business have passed laws giving them SPECIAL PRIVLEDGE and thats not right! But now since it is "law" nothing you can do about it unless you CHANGE it!

And that is what this is designed to do! The individual is very well covered in this. It's main objective is break the "golden rule" (those with the gold make the rules) and put the power back into the American people's hands in the PROPER form.

I understand your concern. Honestly a petition is only as good as those who are willing to stand behind them!

We MUST UNITE as a PEOPLE for this to work! Just as our history shows, the founder of America had to fight for thier freedom. and here we MUST do the same! Not as in a physical fight, but more effectively a UNITY fight!

Some sacrifices MUST be made and PEOPLE MUST be willing to STAND TOGETHER!

That means once the petitions are in place, then the PEOPLE make thier DEMANDS on the government! If the demands of the PEOPLE are not met, then the PEOPLE can simply shut everything down. How? easy, by doing NOTHING! Meaning,before this happens, stock up on supplies. A months worth of food, etc. Then simply do not work, do not drive, do not pay anything, do not buy anything, etc.

You could not imagine the POWER that will have! It will bring the government and business to thier knees! Even after only 1 week, the government will collapse! Hell, it's on the brink of that already!

You may think small things don;t count..let me give you a TINY example. Say I bet you something..and if I lose, then I work for you for the month of May, first day you pay me a penny, next day two cents, next day four cents, next day 8 cents and so on for the month of May. I'm going to lose that bet on purpose...why, get out your calculator and see how much you have to pay me by May 28th??? That small little thing at first just grew to make me a millionaire.

So don't be fooled! many great things can happen with small steps! And if the PEOPLE UNITE, we CAN take back this country!

Once the PEOPLE regain control, we build a new and proper foundation again, starting back to our own CONSTITTIONAL RIGHTS AS AMERICANS!

Oh I agree with that. We can't blame them however, because thats what they were taught. Thier ignorance (in its true form of simply not knowing) is not thier fault in this case. Now those of us who actually think outside the box, have to step up to the plate and do something about it. That's the tough part.

I have already been working on the platform and know it can be done. One person can make a difference..but I'm going to need HELP in getting things distributed. basically have to organize the people. Have people in all states organise groupd and get the petitions signed and I'll personally take them to Capitol Hill and present them to congress and senate and say "You're FIRED!"

I've put my *ss on the line for this country before, I'll gladly do it again...AS LONG AS ITS NOT IN VAIN!

The government and the powers that be..oh they will be looking for heads to chop, make no mistake about that. because they LOSE CONTROL! And that means TRILLIONS of dollars for them..hell maybe into quadrillions now.

But it has to be done to save this country! "I regret that I have only one life to give for this country" .. well I can;t think of a more honorable way to go out and it will protect my family, our children and future generations to come. and HOPEFULLY get this country back to the greatest in the world!