This subject is running crazy. What Americans need to wake up to is the fact that the PEOPLE have to power to CONTROL the United States of America! It is our Constitutional RIGHTS and the American people CAN take it back with a few simple steps. But know this, it will have HEAVY OPPOSITION FROM THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN AMERICA!

Here is one simple step. Institute a petition for TWO things to happen.

1. MAJORITY RULES (If you need this one explained, then don;t bother reading anymore)

2. VOTE OF THE PEOPLE MAKE LAW. Basically our congress and senate was instituted because there were no forms of communications through the country, and those they had, could take weeks and months. So they designed to have each state "represented" by "elected" officials.

Now, with technologies, it is possible for basically all Americans to easily "cast thier vote" in many forms. Therefore, the "vote of the people" can be done at anytime to pass legislation on any given issue.

I have all the details constructed, but will not write the book here. It's simple and extremely effective.

Again, this simple thing will rock the government's foundations to its core and the "powers that be" (it's not the politicians running this country folks) will do almost anything to keep thier CONTROL. BUT, WE COULD DO THIS!

Power to the people!

that sounds really interesting. I'd support that.
However, 95% of the North American population is in a sedative state, so my friend is something that might not happen.
The sedative is not other thing that endoctricnation of the population from early childhood in the public schools with history books with wrong information about history.
ANd it continuous throughout the lifespan of a person with what the media sells.

I'm guilty ok...sorry man just knew that Americans needed to wake up...thanks fer caring though to continue threads. ^5

The power lies with the individual who is creative.

Do petitions really work?

I have my doubts.

JB

Oh I agree with that. We can't blame them however, because thats what they were taught. Thier ignorance (in its true form of simply not knowing) is not thier fault in this case. Now those of us who actually think outside the box, have to step up to the plate and do something about it. That's the tough part.

I have already been working on the platform and know it can be done. One person can make a difference..but I'm going to need HELP in getting things distributed. basically have to organize the people. Have people in all states organise groupd and get the petitions signed and I'll personally take them to Capitol Hill and present them to congress and senate and say "You're FIRED!"

I've put my *ss on the line for this country before, I'll gladly do it again...AS LONG AS ITS NOT IN VAIN!

The government and the powers that be..oh they will be looking for heads to chop, make no mistake about that. because they LOSE CONTROL! And that means TRILLIONS of dollars for them..hell maybe into quadrillions now.

But it has to be done to save this country! "I regret that I have only one life to give for this country" .. well I can;t think of a more honorable way to go out and it will protect my family, our children and future generations to come. and HOPEFULLY get this country back to the greatest in the world!

1. MAJORITY RULES (If you need this one explained, then don;t bother reading anymore)

flaw ##1 ^^^

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
Thomas Jefferson

this is a republic

and the rights of the individual need to be protected

Only the blind my friend
The Sheeple People.........

I understand your concern. Honestly a petition is only as good as those who are willing to stand behind them!

We MUST UNITE as a PEOPLE for this to work! Just as our history shows, the founder of America had to fight for thier freedom. and here we MUST do the same! Not as in a physical fight, but more effectively a UNITY fight!

Some sacrifices MUST be made and PEOPLE MUST be willing to STAND TOGETHER!

That means once the petitions are in place, then the PEOPLE make thier DEMANDS on the government! If the demands of the PEOPLE are not met, then the PEOPLE can simply shut everything down. How? easy, by doing NOTHING! Meaning,before this happens, stock up on supplies. A months worth of food, etc. Then simply do not work, do not drive, do not pay anything, do not buy anything, etc.

You could not imagine the POWER that will have! It will bring the government and business to thier knees! Even after only 1 week, the government will collapse! Hell, it's on the brink of that already!

You may think small things don;t count..let me give you a TINY example. Say I bet you something..and if I lose, then I work for you for the month of May, first day you pay me a penny, next day two cents, next day four cents, next day 8 cents and so on for the month of May. I'm going to lose that bet on purpose...why, get out your calculator and see how much you have to pay me by May 28th??? That small little thing at first just grew to make me a millionaire.

So don't be fooled! many great things can happen with small steps! And if the PEOPLE UNITE, we CAN take back this country!

Once the PEOPLE regain control, we build a new and proper foundation again, starting back to our own CONSTITTIONAL RIGHTS AS AMERICANS!

Count me in.

Sounds like a good plan.

The powers that be are doomed.

Seriously.

Again, this is just a general outline. Of course individuals need to be protected. But that is on a "case by case" basis as it should be.

But now, "lawmakers" make laws we, the PEOPLE, don;t even get to see, know about or anything! Hence the reason why America is screwed!

It's the same now on state levels. the attorneys and business have passed laws giving them SPECIAL PRIVLEDGE and thats not right! But now since it is "law" nothing you can do about it unless you CHANGE it!

And that is what this is designed to do! The individual is very well covered in this. It's main objective is break the "golden rule" (those with the gold make the rules) and put the power back into the American people's hands in the PROPER form.

This sounds good in theory, but is it practical?

I think not.

There’s are two major problems with this.

First off, we can’t do without a ‘commander-in-chief’ – someone who has the ultimate authority to direct our military in the event of an emergency.

So as long as we live in a potentially hostile world we’re stuck in a situation where one person simply must have the ultimate authority to act on our behalf quickly and decisively. We simply must have a commander-in-chief with ultimate authority to make decisions. That’s just the nature of our situation.

One could also argue that we also need someone to basically be the ‘commander-in-chief’ of our economy as well. This is true because, like it or not, we are a nation that is totally dependent on mammon. We may pretend to worship God, but we ultimately kneel to mammon.

We could still implement something along the lines that you are suggesting. This is supposedly what we already have in place with the House and Congress. Those guys are supposed to be our representatives and they are supposed to be influencing the decisions of the commander-in-chief. The command-in-chief is supposed to believe in a democracy and serve the wishes of the people.

The fact that our command-in-chiefs seldom serve the people is our nemesis.

However, having the masses run the county via instantaneous voting via modern technology is not a good idea for several reasons,…

Like adj pointed out, if the majority really did rule who would protect the civil rights of the minorities? And what would the majority rule when it comes to things like cutting taxes or lowering gas prices, etc.?

Of course they are going to rule for the cheapest life they can buy!!! They aren’t going to consider the consequences. If the majority rules they’ll just vote for what they want not necessarily what’s best for them.

It would be like little kids all voting for ice cream all the time and never voting for the vegetables they need.

They would vote for things like animals rights (because they are compassionate). What would happen then? They’d soon realize that the price of meat has skyrocketed, or it has become impossible to obtain. They wouldn’t realize that by voting for animal rights they are also voting to become vegetarians.

Some thing is true with things like the environment. They’d vote to simultaneously lower gas prices and protect the environment. Well duh? Make up your minds!!!

I hold that your majority rules idea isn’t going to fly. Because the majority of people would simply vote for what they want without thinking about the consequences of those actions. You can imagine a world where everything is just the way you want it, but is that imagination possible?

For example, you might vote against war now, but the results of that could very well be that an enemy left unchecked now would grow strong and a few years down the road totally destroy our civilization and enslave the few of us that survived destruction.

It’s easy to vote for what you want right now, but will those decision really be based on sound principles, or will they just be based on what you want right now? Like kids voting to have ice cream and candy for every meal.

I think the system we have in place is about as close as your going to get. The best thing we could do is focus on that, and try to make sure that we get presidents who truly want to serve us, and representatives in the house and senate that truly represent us.

That’s the whole idea and how it was originally supposed to work in the first place.

Whether we can ever restore it to what it was originally meant to be I don’t know.

But the idea of majority rules via instantaneous voting on every issue I have serious doubts would work very well at all. Like I say, it would be like kids always voting for ice cream.

I agree that something needs to be done. But in all honesty I think that can only come from a really special person running for president and obtaining that position. Unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen this year because I don't see any person that special running for the office.

I confess that I'm really baffled that in this great nation of ours, we don't have really exceptional individuals running for president. I mean really exceptional individuals.

If the people who are currently running are the best this country has to offer I think we're really in pathetic shape.

And I'm still in completely and utter shock that a bozo like our current president was even able to run for the position much less actually obtain it.

Where are the truly exceptional people?

Does the USA not have any truly exceptional citizens????

Thanks for the input. Now let me clarfy a few points. I never said the President would be fired. And when I referred to going to Capitol Hill and telling the congress and senate "you're fired" that was meant to the current bunch of crap we have sitting there, because the huge majority are carreer politicians who are bought and paid for.

I totaly agree we need REAL LEADERS for time critical situations that need immediate action. So a President and at least certain amount of cabinet type members is an absolute, and they would have the power to act on the people's behalf in times of crisis and time sensitive issues. However, no power would be "absolute".

A perfect example would be the "war" in Iraq. The majority of people, being well enough now informed, have seen the whole thing was BS! And the majority want our troops HOME! The President has the authority to send them there because it was deemed a state of emergency. But now its BS and we are sacraficing American lives for OIL! Its is another Vietnam and a total government cluster-f*ck!!! The people are screaming to get our troops out, but the government isn't listening!

As to the people ebing able to vote on all issues, let me also clarify. That was a GENERAL statement meaning that there would be a certain process that must take place first. Petition drives, showing cause, like a good benefit for the people, etc. Then a vote to occur on the matter.

It would be insanity to just allow some person to say, let's outlaw chocolate icecream! Thats frivolous and BS and simply will not happen.

On the other hand, certain extremely important issues can be set into motion, I can think of many that have been issues since I was a child and even before. Education, social security, health care, poverty, our so-called welfare system, etc. These are real problems that should have been solved years ago, but have only been manipulated as main subject matters to take the American's focus off other issues and visa versa.

I also very much agree, where are all the leader??? Lee Iaccocca wrote a wonderful book in the last couple of years. Take a read, you might enjoy it. It's called "Where have all the leaders gone?" I love it! Lee does not mince words, he tells it like it is.

But I also know that our government does not want things to change and they want to keep total control. I worked with a Congressman back in the early to mid 1990's. he was a good and honest person, but after his 4 year term, he stepped down. he told me personally that we could not even imagine the corruption, the backstabbing, the bs that goes on up on Captiol Hill and that he was not going to be part of it. It was too strong for any one person to change and if that person tried, they caught major hell from everyone else on the hill (which included death threats to him and his family!)

But a detailed plan COULD WORK! And the individual will ALWAYS be protected on many issues and that would be a priority. However, the minority will NOT dictate over the majority! Point in case, the moment of silence. Whether it be in school, at a high school football game, any other public event, if one person has an issue, well simply TOO BAD! Don;t go or deal with it! We should never allow 1 person to dictate to the majority. that is rediculous! Everyone has thier right to have thier opinion, but it will not be placed on the society as a whole when the majority has a different united stand. You live with that, or leave. No one will ever "force" anyone to do something they do not want to do. But that should NEVER prevent someone else the opportunity. As in a moment of silence at an event. That is not forcing anyone to do anything. if affords those who wish to pray (to any relious figure they choose..which include Satan) or they can sit there and do nothing for that 15 or 30 seconds.

And many things will be designed on a case by case basis at all levels. Not every situation is exact, therefore things must be considered as such.

But it is certain and fact. The United States of America is NOT the greatest country in the world any longer and is actually becoming a travesty ran by the greedy who has no real concern for this country and its people.

They PURPOSELY keep the people divided on many . Ever hear of the military strategy "divide and conquer"? Well that is being used on our own society now. And they have deliberately ran our education system into the ground, because people with non-thinking brains are easy to manipulate and lead to where they want them to go... and thats right to the slaughter house.. just like cattle!

So a detailed plan of "majority rules" and a "vote of the people make law" can resolve many critical issues with some time. But the American people MUST UNITE AS ONE and stand up against the government that has been built and shut them down!

I agree with the starting post for this thread. In fact, I've said for years now that we need to put EVERYTHING to a popular vote. Sure, we would lose some politicians. But is that a bad thing?

It would also create a huge new job industry. You would need better access to information on the issues. Publication, in print and online, would increase. There could be a whole industry just making the legal language of the bills make sense in layman's terms.

Not to mention full time voting locations, since there would be many more things coming up to vote upon. People staffing these sites.

Research into more reliable methods. I don't see what's wrong with bubble sheets. Seems to be less of an issue than with hanging chads or the electronic boths.

Anyway you look at it, it creates jobs, lets people become more involved with politics. And we have a true democracy.

Oh yeah, that's why they won't do it. Contrary to popular belief, we don't have a democracy at all. We have an oligarcy. In which most of the decisions are made by a select group of people. I'm sure those people don't want to give up any power they currently have.

I believe that the actual powers in the United States are now contolled solely by big business...(free trade, world bank, neo-liberal markets, and of course my personal favorite, business in America have the same rights as individual beings..

So forget your congressman or woman or president, for that matter, who are bought and paid for by the monopolies that are the power and decision makers behind Congress (need more proof...look into Enron or Haliberton)if you are truly interested in toppling the status quo, remember that the consumer has all the power...stop buying sh!t..stop paying for high interest credit cards, over inflated mortgages, etc...watch the whole system crumble..of course it will take great sacrifice..and in a country where you cant get people to boycott strawberries to support the United Farm Workers campaign, I doubt there is going to be any changes any time soon....

What a great post!!!

Very good information! And I TOTALLY AGREE on the fact that PEOPLE MUST BE INFORMED OF ALL THE DETAILS on any given issue up for vote!

As they do in legislation now, they start with a little good pointed issue, then when the general populous says its ok, they throw in the last minute changes and "pork rolls" and make it into something very dirrent, or at least added a TON of CRAP that we the people never even know about!

And absolutely! As was posted, this would be a hell storm fight, because the powers that be (and its not only the government, its the money powerful ones that pull thier strings) will put up one hell of a fight to keep thier control and thier MONEY.

But, IT CAN BE DONE AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE UNITE AS AMERICANS..AS ONE PEOPLE! Hell China could do the same thing! No power in the world can hold back over 300 MILLION people! That government WILL LOSE! but they will use scare tactics, threats, even violence if need be. They will lie, deceive, manipulate..you name it, they will try it!

First, my condolences to your loss. Any fallen soldier I also feel the pain, because they are my brothers and sisters in arms.

Now please be very clear I mean absolutely no disrespect to ANY service man or woman in the armed forces.

With that said, I must present the facts from all points of views and as the overall condition.

Jason was a good man. He followed his orders and he did what he was told to do, just as any good soldier is trained to do. However, it was not his choices that sent him to Iraq. he had an extremely limited view of what was going on there. Both political and social. They were sent there on LIES!!! They were sent there on POLITICAL AGENDAS!!! They were sent to fight and die for someone elses gain..NOT AMERICAN FREEDOM!

Iraq was NEVER a true threat to America! It has just over 25 million people in population..Los Angeles and New York City combined has more people!!! They had not legitimate way of ATTACKING AMERICA!!!

MOST of the terrorist in the 9/11 tragedy were from SAUDIE ARABIA!!!!!

So PLEASE do not try to use the death of a single soldier as facts that this "war" is JUSTIFIED! The American government is putting American lives on the line for OIL!! THAT IS FACT! The Iraqi people will HATE America and Americans as they always have as soon as America stops its support and money flow into that country! It's historical FACT!

Let Jason rest in peace believing he died for a just cause. But please do not try to use it as any type of justification of trading American lives for OIL INTERESTS and POILITICAL AGENDAS!

Hell, im all about power to the people. Lets go...

I have to agree with that.
I grieve for every single soldier who has died in iraq. Ther are convinced that they are fighting for just cause. My love for the american army.
However, this war is just justified by the pockets of a few, and nothing else.

TLW