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Thu 07/03/08 06:41 PM
Conspiratorial Nutjobs have an issue in their sad pathetic lives. They are missing something so they need to create some ficticious grand event to make it far more exciting and involved, like they are some grand enlightened hero figure, to feel better about themselves and their meager position in this world.

What a sad state that is to be in.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:37 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 07/03/08 06:38 PM

I don't support it. It has played a major part in every world war on earth. There is more of an agenda involved besides merely the existence of the state of Israel. It that was the only objective, it would have been achieved by now.


What? Zionism has been at least a partial cause of every world war on Earth? And there is more of an agenda than just Israel?

The Zionist Jews going to control the world and rule us all?

That is beyond ridiculous. I knew taking you seriously was pointless.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:32 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 07/03/08 06:33 PM




pre-emptive defense


Kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?


If you know someone wants to annihilate you from the face of the Earth and you hit them first before they get the chance or have the opportunity to do so, would that not be pre-emptive defense from those that wish to do you harm rather than during when the bombs come raining down? Yes, pre-emptive defense, not appeasement and not allowing great destruction to come your way before you defend your people who will be caught in the onslaught of the devastation they seek on you.


In other words "nipping it in the bud?"

Lindyy
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Yes.

We can use this as a great example.

Domestic violence and restraining orders. You just left your husband, and he has been threatening you so you get a restraining order. Suddenly he calls you, you find threatening notes and know where they are from, you see him watching you. You tell the cops. They say they can't do anything unless he comes too close, but if he does do call us.

So, you stay inside fearing for yourself, and then suddenly the door breaks down and he's there with a knife to kill you. Now what? You're dead.

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The same people will be against these policies, but when it comes to the same thing in the political worlds where death is very clear and present to be brought against your people who you swore your life to protect, you can't do anything to stop it, until after the destruction and death is brought against you.

You can't be pro-active. Only death and destruction can bring action to deal with evil. So, a human sacrifice is first needed. Oh yes, this is a great policy. It is a flawed theory that these people hold so tightly onto.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:27 PM



Starsailor2851.

Are you in the military? Have you ever been to war? Are you Jewish? Do you live in America or Israel?

JB


Why are you asking if I'm Jewish? You know, you're really ramping up with a bigot or racist label for yourself now.


I also asked you if you were in the military.
I also asked you if you had ever been to war.
I also asked you if you live in America or Israel.

But you get all riled up because I asked you if you were Jewish?

If you support Zionism I am curious if you are Jewish. I know that there are some non-Jewish people who support Zionism and that there are some Jews who are anti-Zionism.

If you don't want to tell me where you are coming from I would ask you why.

You are saying that we should bomb people because we think they might be dangerous. That is a ridiculous war mongering idea. I just want to know who I am talking to.

JB


I never said we should just blatantly start bombing people. I said if there is overwhelming clear evidence, like when Israel hit the nuclear site in Syria, then you should go ahead, no sit on your hands and wait till your own people get slaughtered. And, I'm not saying mass bombings to wipe out cities and towns. Israel hit a lone nuclear site, that was it.

The 'bomb people' tag is a bad tactic because I never said such, and it infers I meant just wipe out civilian populations for the heck of it for defense, which you don't believe is real.

Yes, you did ask other questions about me for my background, but that comes after multiple points directed at propaganda (which you tie to Zionist Jews) and Zionism in general. You think I was born yesterday and do not know what you are doing and setting up? I think I should say I am a Jew so you can go AH HAH! Why you would I do not know, because if I was then I must immediately be an "evil Zionist pig who rules America and loves to slaughter innocents for their own gains", you know, the usual jazz people paint Zionists as.

Go look up the definition of Zionism on Websters dictionary or something. It merely means one who supports a state of Israel or the ability for a state of Israel to exist.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:21 PM

When Hillary said she would bomb them off the face of the earth she really meant, WE CAN BOMB THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!


Bomb who? Hezbollah? Where? Lebanon? Their bases in Africa or Iran? Bomb Al Qaeda? Bomb Hamas?

It's rhetoric.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:20 PM

Do you really think they are super worried about Iran having 1 or 2, or do you think that is just a fear tactic used against citizens?


You tell me, with rockets still falling on your towns, some nutjob bulldozing multiple cars killing three yesterday, Hezbollah taking over Lebanon and sitting with weapons on your border, Iran saying you don't have much longer to exist, the nuclear discoveries that were hit in Syria, and the vamping up of nuclear developments in Iran, would you not be super worried?

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Thu 07/03/08 06:17 PM



Starsailor2851.

Are you in the military? Have you ever been to war? Are you Jewish? Do you live in America or Israel?

JB


Why are you asking if I'm Jewish? You know, you're really ramping up with a bigot or racist label for yourself now.


Just because I asked you if you were Jewish you are calling me a bigot or a racist now?

What is your problem?


My problem? You keep throwing around Zionism, propaganda, and other similar tacts that are used most often and are associated with bigots. And, now you go about asking if I'm a Jew, like that matters one bit in the discussion. It's offensive and ridiculous debate tactics.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:08 PM
Wow, how ironic that I just stated how radical Islam had infiltrated Europe, not always through violence, but by other means this shows up in the news:

"Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge" - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031611/Sharia-law-SHOULD-used-Britain-says-UKs-judge.html

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Thu 07/03/08 05:59 PM

Starsailor2851.

Are you in the military? Have you ever been to war? Are you Jewish? Do you live in America or Israel?

JB


Why are you asking if I'm Jewish? You know, you're really ramping up with a bigot or racist label for yourself now.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:48 PM



The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????


If you knew the history of the event and the culture of the Japanese people, and the lengthy debate that took place before doing so you would sing a different tune, I'd hope, being one who would want to save as many lives and keep as many people from injury as possible.
:smile: So you attack to defend and you kill to save lives?:smile:


I suggest studying Japanese culture. Also, read reports of US Naval servicemen and also US Marines who fought the Japanese on the islands of the Pacific. I know a man personally who watched Japanese men toss their wives and children off cliffs as the US approached because the Japanese government told them that the US forces would rape, torture, murder and eat them and their children.

Then, I suggest you read into the reports the US military undertook prior to the invasion or drop bomb crossroads. The US military estimated that every last Japanese citizen would fight, with anything they could get their hands on, including swords. They would come endlessly until none more could stand. The US estimated millions ontop of millions of civialians would die or be grieviously injured. They estimated hundreds of thousands of US forces would die and be wounded.

They saw much less death and destruction in nuclear bombs. And, they were correct I do truly think. If you look at the wars of the Pacific VERY VERY few Japanese soldiers would survive battle because even in defeat they would charge to their deaths before dishonor. They were kamikazes, without the planes. This is what they saw coming when mainland Japan was invaded.

And so, they dropped two bombs and all was done with, with so much few less deaths and injuries than all the battles on the Pacific against the Japanese thus far.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:39 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 07/03/08 05:40 PM



Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.


And who educated you in all this propaganda that you are now spreading?


Propaganda I'm spreading? Tell me how so that it is? I get my information from the Associated Press, worldwide news organizations, the vast studies of history and politics I have undertaken as both school and personal interest related. I back up everything I state grounded in real events, reported events by numerous sources. I do not utter slang or one line jabs backed up by sincere hatreds.


....Unlike some people I know.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:38 PM

The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????


If you knew the history of the event and the culture of the Japanese people, and the lengthy debate that took place before doing so you would sing a different tune, I'd hope, being one who would want to save as many lives and keep as many people from injury as possible.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:35 PM

Well, I doubt they are that insane, and they would suffer far worse consequences that we would.
The use of Nuclear weapons must be treated responsibly. We can not bomb every country that has one and cant just assume they will use them first!


You mean like the consquences Syria experienced after it was found in the UN that Syria was very closely linked to the assassination of many Lebanese politicians, including the assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri? Plus, the punishment that was handed down on Hezbollah and their financier Iran for the assassinations in Lebanon they were behind as well?

Oh guess what, they received NO PUNISHMENT for these grave crimes, murdering sovereign leaders and political leaders.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:32 PM

Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:27 PM




pre-emptive defense


Kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?


If you know someone wants to annihilate you from the face of the Earth and you hit them first before they get the chance or have the opportunity to do so, would that not be pre-emptive defense from those that wish to do you harm rather than during when the bombs come raining down? Yes, pre-emptive defense, not appeasement and not allowing great destruction to come your way before you defend your people who will be caught in the onslaught of the devastation they seek on you.


I think I would want to know why first.
Maybe we could work it out!

Nobody wants to start a Nuclear war with us sailor.
Do you realize how many Nukes we have?
They only want them to keep us from invading them.
It seems to be the only thing that guarantees their sovereignty. History and examples have shown this to be true!


Yes, that was before nuclear proliferation became obliterated as Abdul Qadeer Khan spread nuclear technology all over the globe. We are not dealing with sane people like we did with Russia. We are dealing with mass black market trade. North Korea shipped tech to Syria. We knew it happened, we followed it the entire way, but could do nothing about it. I remember when we watched the ship leave and we tracked it all the way to Iran. North Korea is a HUGE blackmarket weapons dealing nation.

Let's say Hezbollah or Hamas or Al Qaeda get their hand on even the smallest nuclear materials. What sovereign nation would they be to fear reprisal? Russia can't even account for all their own nuclear material and they have Generals guarding old nuclear and arms sites. There was just a General in Russia caught weapons dealing.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:22 PM


Just like Syria supports Hezbollah and has allowed it to operate from its land. Syria assassinated the leader of your neighbor, Lebanon, and installed pro-Hezbollah factions. These groups wish your annihilation.

Then Syria gets nuclear shipments from North Korea. Israel learns of these nuclear sites, has all the evidence to prove it, and fearing that nuclear material could be used or handed off to Hezbollah you hit the nuclear site with air power.

Would that not be pre-emptive defense, which is essentially pre-emptive striking, they both being essentially the same thing. You fear that this country that assists and aids in the advancement of a group that wishes your absolutely annihilation, they have nuclear sites, so you hit them and blow the site to pieces. You are in turn defending your people from very possible serious harm and mass destruction. You are pre-emptive defending before they get their hands on the destructive tool to decimate you.
glasses Zionist propagandaglasses


Thanks for your inclusion of false propaganda. I was wondering when that most common unsubstantiated bigotted attack was going to begin.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:20 PM


pre-emptive defense


Kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?


WWII. Do nothing until it was way too late to do it much easier and far less bloody. He told everyone he was going to take Austria and everyone just sat back and did nothing.

Hitler and WWII is the great example of how a preemptive defense could have changed the history of WWII. With all the sanctions and treaties Germany was under, having defending them, by putting down this man's rise, would have been preemptive defense to the extreme destruction that was caused to Europe.

The countries of Europe did not do this and thus they were forced to go on their own defense as France got steamrolled, Italy fell in line, and the British got bombarded. It was after they suffered great destruction and so many died that they finally acted on defending their people.

They willfully allowed the destruction to begin, because no good country can act on what they know is coming until it is already on their doorstep, correct?

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Thu 07/03/08 05:05 PM
LOL, I was just reading the comments for that article and someone said:

"Look on the bright side, at least we'll be able to see the end of the world in High Definition and Widescreen :) "


hahahaha!


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Thu 07/03/08 05:03 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 07/03/08 05:03 PM
Just letting everyone know that the Global Warming 'we're all going to die' ridiciulous stuff now says that YOU are even more to blame. Anyone who has an LCD or Plasma TV are killing the planet. We all must give up the wonderful picture quality because we are killing us all! Oh, let's live like the 19th Century and the world will be a wonderful place.

Plasma, LCDs blamed for ACCELERATING global warming: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/03/2293369.htm?section=justin

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Thu 07/03/08 04:57 PM


I see Fanta has decided to ignore Obama's lobbyist links. Interesting.


No I just forgot to comment!

At least they are green energy, but the ethanol is a dead stick!
Its not going to get any notice!


Oh, so you are saying the Environmentalist lobbyists and other 'good' lobbyist are okay, even big corporations as well can be 'good'. Just none linked to those evil Republicans, because they are all greedy, evil, and wish harm on us all.

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