power must maintain a need for itself, or it be no longer power, so hath allowed itself to become obsolete?

shall any power wish for itself to become obsolete?

only what doth not wish to control for it's own agenda's sake?

then, that which be in power, that wishes to decrease the need for itself to be in power, hath the only true most good motive?

where can this motive be found, in any of the peoples of the world at large?

all power, that empower itself, be not good power to allow to rule or dictate, and most critical, to not allow this type power to become greater power?

for this type power, doth devour what stands in it's way?

to wish for power, is to wish for control?

that which seek power, to wish for control, wish to control other's for the sake of self agenda, or, for the common good?

again, if the wish be for the "common good", then that which sought power, shall always try to decrease the need of itself, or power over, any other?

how can these principles which govern common good of all as one equal entiy of value, not be observed or used to decide what is actually "good or bad" power?

it is redily apparent that neither party hath any such want nor motive, in regards to itself being in power.

good power empower's the people, corrupt power, or power that seeks to maintian itself as powerful, seeks to UNEMPOWER the people it govern, most by keeping them busy trying to decide who in power be good or bad, lol...

all the whilst, the very pinnacle of power, that include some from the left, and the right, carry foward, these manipulating the content disclosed to the people, to create the appearance of two seperate power's, knowing that the human inclination of each, to prove it's own party as superior, shall keep the people preoccupied whilst the pinnacle of power move foward with it's own united agenda?

it is sheer ignorance, for any mortal to actually still believe that there be actually two seperate parties, one as good, and one as bad, fighting greater for the "right's" of the people?

the primary agenda of "pinnacle of power", is and always has been, most to maintain ultimate power, not actually caring whether people have abortion's, nor whether they pray or not, nor what religion be practiced by the people, or what school they go to, or what they eat for dinner, or how fat their kid's are, or how many children are abused, as the ultimate motive, that drive the power, will be most to eliminate any threat to power?

so, those that seem a threat to power, have always been the target of law's to restrict?

so, the law be passed, looking as "caring" for the children, whilst in reality, the elite promote their OWN ONLY, and actually wish for the commoner to stay stupid and dumbed down, so that there BE NO COMPETITION FROM THE "OUTSIDE", FOR POSITION'S OF POWER?

if one looks at all happening's, in all of history, of all power, then it should be clearly understood, that the root motive of power, is but most to protect ITSELF, and promote it's own, in all cases, at all times?

it is but the too busied with onself, the narrcisstic communtiy at large, obsessed with proving itself as smart, that walk blindly while busy feeling proud of itself that it can spell large words, and thinking itself be a great debater, which is but to seek to disprove other's, to prove self as correct.

so, the two parties smile behind closed doors, and shake hands and pat each other on the backs, as they grin with glee with the success of creating the public's ignorance, that was so masterfully orchestrated with the mirage itelf created in the minds of the commoner's, the self professed intellects, who swear they should decide with their intelligence, and their keen insight, what motivate the political process, lol...

but what more to understanding anything, than knowing what motive and intent will be created by any system itself that be employed?

to continue to stare as either the right or the left, as one better than the other, is the debate to infinity with no solution, that has allowed what is and has become thus far to prosper?

this could only ever change, if the two party system was elimninated all together, which of course shall not occur by the people or any person's outside of power, so in short, humanity is ****ed, because the system itself was corrupt from the beginning, lol...

yes, our founding father's were corrupt as well, OR, they would not have created a system that was fallible to corruption, as anything that is not corrupt, will know and see how to create a system that cannot be corrupted.

they did better than most in their day, for many were MUCH MORE CORRUPT than they, but, to install a power apparatus, that include PAYMENT, for those serving the apparatus, GAURANTEE'S IMMINENT CORRUPTION.

yes, our founding father's cared about the commonwealth, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO ELIMINATE THEIR OWN PAYCHECKS, within the system of power?

why, look at the enormous pressure brought to bear on oneself, while if at work, it is faced with a moral dilemma, of allowing corruption, or being fired, and losing it's paycheck, and perhaps the ability to buy food, and car's, and pay for it's own dwelling?

so, take this pressure, and magnify it by at least a thousand times, to see what actually be motivating those in power, for the powerful have many times over the same pressure?

put them in a situation, that having become corrupted, they must face the entire world, and fess up, to undo???

please...

and then the commoner say any that scrutinize such a system be the unpatriotic?

the idiocy of those that face not their own worst motives within themself, makes them blind to the true reality of the dynamic's involved in policitc's itself.

power shall continue to try to lift and prosper itself, and promote from within the two parties, who concurs with, and follows out, the "ultimate goal of power", thus it becoming painfully obvious over time, that any that oppose, or dissent, or speak up, or question, shall be deemed a threat?

and certainly not misssed, that all these "peoples", overcrowding planet earth, are needed on planet earth, to work and feed a few most powerful, so these shall become deemed as disposable, just as all power hath in history hath deemed, and the work of population control that hath always been at work, shall begin in public formality, just as in the days of nazi germany...

how is it missed, that all power has always sought to maintain control, and to benefit itself most?

it is only the commoner that do the same itself, that will not recognize nor care that such occur in it's own governing power?

each be so busy fighting to protect it's own self pride, and own self image of itself, that self pride comes to be it's most love in human existence, not freedom for one and for all to live in harmony and peace, free from unwarranted arrest and torture, if one speak it's true concern's, over many a conflict of interest.

how can it be missed, that the issue's being debated, and dosed out to the public, to make the small minded believe within themself they are wise, are having the exact desired effect, relieving the people of the time nor insight to actually scrutinize deeper into the workings of the apparatus called power?

can a utopian sleep walker actually believe, that anything can get into power, without first being the same as, and agreeing to, conform to the principles that govern that entire body of power?

lol...

will a low life commoner take control of a large corporation, be being recognized to have integrity?

lol...

will a small time teacher, be granted access to the hollowed hallways of academia, for it's deep caring as integrity for humankind, lol...

shall a smalll time banker, whom care about it's fellow man as equal in value to itself, be raised to power within a world dominant bank?

please, the sheer delusion believed by the left and the right loyalists is appaling.

patriotism is the want of freedom for all HUMAN LIFE, to be able to persue it's own happiness and prosperity, all having the freedom to speak their own concern's and belief's, without infringement from any power entity, deeming what be as "good or bad", except in any case where one hath perpetrated intentional bodily harm on another having human life, this freedom embraced for one and for all, with no regard to race, religion, sect, denomination, creed, or social status.

but, this is not what a cleverly guised media hath protrayed of patriotism?

patriotism has come to be defined as allegiance to power in control, in all cases, at all times?

CERTAIN UNSANITY, that destroy all civilized societies?

this will always allow power that seek to protect itself, and promote the need for itself, PROPSER AND CONTINUE IN ALL CASES?

for once the "power's that be", said to kill blacks, even endorsing public lynchings, even allowing such to occur without restraint nor due dilligence to stop it!

for once the 'power's that be', deemed six million other's as the "evils"?

for once the "power's that be", placed the "disposable's", or dissentor's in cages, and fed them to lion's?

for once the powers that be, said to burn withces, as was the law?

so loyalty to power is not patriotism, but rather patriotism is ALL ARE EQUAL in value, and none shall be deemed as less in value, by any DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM!

so, the many that cry government be to big, have just merit.

so the many that cry the government be corrupt, AND RUN AFOUL, and filled with self prosepring greed, be of just merit?

for even a banker, cannot loan to his own mother, for it being a conflict of iterest, but, our entire system is built upon a conflict of interest?

indeed, if what be purported to serve the people, can in any way propser itself monetarily from doing so, then a conflict of interest hath been created, and is actually built into the system itself?

this in itself shall promote the inclination toward corruption?

what other choice can there be?

perhaps why it was once written, that money be the root of all evil,
for if money can provide self prosperity, and provide the self wants of a lifestyle that one wishes for itself, than it shall be sought after, and fought for, and the will and motive and intent to amass more of it, common, and many shall fall prey to securing it, even at the expense of it's neighbor?

such motive being only alive within power?

lol...

hum, it is so alive in humanity itself, that the mass of humanity be blind to the same motive at work and play within power, as these consumed with it themself, have no problem with corruption, if it come to invite them, and it shall further their own prosperity, lol...

and what shall a commoner, that wish for untiy and peace amoung nation's, and for all to live in equal harmony and status, free from the oppresssion of law but used to dictate and maintain control, and create currency for the system of power do, about such matter's in reality?

not a god damn thing.

and anyone that raise a finger to try, be the largest idiot alive, thinking itself be of valor and honor for doing such, lol...

there is not one iota of any power, that any commoner have to reverse the system that be in place, so gather up your beer's, and light up your cigar's, and wait for power to destroy ITSELF, fighting amoungst itself, for within power, there be no honor, for there be no honor amoungst thieve's, and so thieves will annililate each other in the end, as has always occured down thru time...

and a few, are left to pick up the piece's of a battle torn land, and carry on the human civilization...

perhaps you may be one of the few left upon earth, after global power's fights to the death, just as two dogs trained to fight to the death do, to dominate and control...

perhaps that is why so many do not vote, for they are not so stupid and gullible enough to believe their vote shall make a difference, lol...

for the very machines built to tally the vote's, are constructed by companies owned and in the back pocket of power, and travel within the circle of friends of power, lol...

perhaps that is why the big boys, such as glenn beck, sit and smile all the way to the bank, as they carry out their mission from headquarter's, to keep the people occupied with rhetoric, that has no purpose but to keep the commoner busy fondling it's own prowess of intellect, whilst the truly intellectual pinnacle of power march forward it's united motive, lol...

for the commoner did but fall prey to it's own demise, by loving and declaring who was good, based upon whom gave it what itself wanted , and begging to be "protected" at all cost, even at the expense of it's own fellow man, other human life.

what a bunch of idiot's, whom would string up their own fellow man and countrymen as unpatriotic, all the whilst themself on the list of disposable's, by the very one's the declare loyalty to...

lol...

and so a little pea shooter shall preserve self, lol...

oh the folly...

and a few guns shall bring down global tennicles of power that reach into every nation and every foothill?

lol...

it is the lunatic's indeed that amass weapon's believing in fairy tales as their own arrgoance, that such be the way to preserve freedom in these days...

the best hope in any true reality, is that a few within the current corrupt system, can be invoked to true caring for other's and stand for greater justice and common equality, proving how such can profit them, for the current system many within power have already found, does not take care of any that get in it's way, but rather seeks to destroy them.

nazi germany shall not happen again, for it is what be already created, just in smoother more refined fashion, so it can march on in stealth, power having learned from the past mistakes of hitler, to not outright expose itself, but rather to incrementally abolish the freedom's from within, legally, setting up the law's to back itself in all cases, using fear tactic's of terror and evil, to make the commoner suspect each other, instead of power...

hum...

oh how the self professed wise that seek to prove to itself it be wise, doth create it's own folly and demise, while eating and dining smugly with the thought of itself as wise, believing it actually wiser than all that hold it's very own life in it's hands, whom it love if it get's what it wants, and recieve's a pat on the back.

This thread is meant to be a discussion of values represented in the Constitution that you think all Americans should share. At the end of the brief opener, you will asked to respond to questions of ‘value’.

Politics is a predominant topic when discussing current news and events, and currently hot topics seem to be revolving around diversity - age, ethnicity, partisan politics, and gender, among others. Much of the disagreement when discussing these topics comes down to ‘personal’ values. But what about the ‘shared’ values of all Americans?

The Constitution of the USA is not just a clarification of how governance will be imposed; it is also a declaration of values. How others (people, groups, nations) view the USA as a whole was meant to be derived from the values woven into the Constitution.

Since the values contained within that Constitution are meant to influence the world’s view of us, it makes sense that all people, who choose to become or remain citizens of the USA, incorporate and support the core values exemplified through that document.

So when an individual citizen of the USA answers the question: “I am?” with the response “an American”, that individual is defining a characteristic that connects the individual, through a shared set of values, to a unique group of people called Americans.

What do Americans consider to be SHARED values AND how does the Constitution represent that value?

ONE ‘PERSONAL’ EXAMPLE: “All men are created equal” To me that statement implies every human is connected at birth by the simple fact that they are born human – in THAT we are all equal.

The VALUE within the statement “All men are created equal” is RESPECT.

I define “Respect” in terms of basic human rights. Basic human rights exemplified = a baby is incapable of procuring the necessities to maintain life or pursue a satisfying existence – it is out of love and “Respect” that we do the best we can to provide those necessities. That kind of respect does not end when a child becomes an adult, they are still human.

Therefore, to be consistent with the constitutional VALUE (respect), I agree, AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, to provide, through law, personal effort, charitable donation..etc, whatever is NECESSARY so that others can have access to the basic necessities of life.


HERE ARE MY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:

What are the SHARED values between Americans and indicate how the Constitution represents that value?

If you are at a loss to begin consider the following issues: government entitlement programs, (legal & non-legal) immigration, affirmative action, name-calling, propaganda, public media, veterans, DADT, DOMA, treatment of and support for those with disabilities…. Think of the recent threads you’ve posted in or reviewed.

while it may be true that they bear some responsabilty its a very slippery slope where do you draw the line between simple racist rhetoric and willful intent?

Look in the nearest mirror.

god is looking back at you.

he is with you as he is with me.

i completely agree with your opinions on bill o glenn and fox and your right to petition them but you cant blame them for murder just like ozzy wasnt liable for those suicides in the 80 s

while it is true that people are responsable for their own actions and glen beck,however crazy and misguided he maybe,has a right to his opinion fox as a legitimate news station(so called)should at least get their facts straight. although blatenetly labeling someone a racist could be considered slander

don't blame fox news, blame the individual - the individual is responsible for his/her own actions.

It's really pretty simple. How many people heard the same broadcast, and how many of them chose to grab a gun? *sigh*...

$.02

John(Pasta)5:54...Whoso eateth my meatballs, and drinketh my sauce, hath eternal gastritis; and I will chuck him up at the last day.

Darwin was extremely insightful. I'm amazed that anyone questions his discoveries, in general.

Wasn't aware that news media outlets, entertainment, and sports figures were responsible for the mental instabilities of the populous.........didn't believe it's the responsibility of these media propaganda forums and outlets which is driving you forcing you to negate constitutional rights and beliefs of freedom of speech and press and somehow sublimating facts of some sort of responsibility towards angry and mentally unstable individuals............makes a person go hmmmmmm?

Oh please. You can't be serious.






Answer HONESTLY, if you can.

I was actually a bit disappointed. I expected to see a man dressed in female Nazi gear from the title of the thread.

But hey to each their own.

Maybe he likes the Nazis, there are folks who do.

They would have to pay me to pretend to be one though and pay me like Brad Pitt.

Even with all that cut and paste, you cannot make the modern Dem party into the party of hate.

Repubs and Tea Partiers hold the trophy for that these days.