Ha, Alaska was not going Dem anyway...no, this is about:



And you can do your own Google...Won't waste any time on that.

Comparing birdchit to electronic media? I also need to control the volume constantly?

Yeah uh...I'll take "pass the law" option.

The US Senate is supposed to finalize this law, finally...apparently they have a few versions of the law and there's still some debate as to which one but it's supposed to be sent to the WH for the president's signature soon...ya think we can expect bipartisan support on THIS one?

Meanwhile....I am watching A Few Good Men on AMC and have to hit mute each time the ads come on....I swear they're turning it up even louder in the last days. Not sure when the law takes effect after being signed in...probably Jan 1...egads this years holiday bullchit is going to be even worse...

"JUNEAU, Alaska - Sen. Lisa Murkowski on Wednesday became the first Senate candidate in more than 50 years to win a write-in campaign, emerging victorious over her tea party rival following a painstaking, week-long count of hand-written votes.

The victory completes a remarkable comeback for the Republican after her humiliating loss in the GOP primary to Joe Miller.

Her victory became clear when Alaska election officials confirmed they had only about 700 votes left to count, putting Murkowski in safe territory to win re-election. Murkowski is flying back from Washington to Alaska on Wednesday to make an "exciting announcement," proclaiming in an e-mail to supporters that the campaign "made history."

Murkowski has a lead of about 10,000 votes, a total that includes 8,153 ballots in which Miller observers challenged over things like misspellings, extra words or legibility issues.

It was not immediately clear how Miller will proceed. He and his advisers have vowed to take legal action over what they contend is an unfair tally in Murkowski's favor, but Miller has maintained he'll stop fighting if the math doesn't work in his favor. Miller's campaign didn't immediately return a message seeking comment.

Miller's loss is a major rebuke for Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate who backed Miller and has long had a tense relationship with the Murkowski family. Miller's defeat means Palin couldn't deliver in her home state for a candidate she roundly endorsed."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20101117/BREAKING/101119791/-1/news02?Title=Murkowski-wins-Senate-recount-in-Alaska

Republicans/T-baggers: The grinches who want you and your children to go hungry....and have no Christmas.

No Plans In Senate For A Vote On Unemployment Benefits

"Senate Democrats have not figured out a way to get around Republican opposition to reauthorizing extended unemployment insurance for the long-term jobless.

"We are still in the process of trying to establish the schedule of the lame duck session, in terms of the remaining days of the session, so no specifics, but think we all understand that this is something that is going to have to be done," said Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) during a conference call with reporters on Wednesday.

The benefits are set to expire at the end of the month, jeopardizing a lifeline for two million people during the holidays. But it's not likely the benefits will be reauthorized before they lapse, since Congress will go home for Thanksgiving next week, meaning this week is the last chance to prevent an interruption in benefits. Reed said there is no plan for a vote.

"At this point it's not been scheduled," he said. "We're trying to make a case that there be action but at this point I can't point to a specific time it will come up for a vote this week."

Extended unemployment insurance is federally-funded and gives the long-term unemployed up to 73 weeks of payments after they finish 26 weeks of state benefits. Previous reauthorizations have been held up because Republicans and conservative Democrats don't want the cost of the benefits added to the deficit, even though extended benefits have traditionally been given "emergency" status and financed with deficit spending. (A full-year reauthorization might cost $65 billion, according to the Economic Policy Institute). Democrats have been highlighting the fact that the people insisting on offsets for unemployment benefits are not insisting on offsets for tax cuts for the rich.

"On the one hand they want to provide $700 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans but not pay for them. And on the other hand they're demanding that UI benefits for the middle class be paid for," Reed said. "That's a little like someone on a diet who orders a Diet Coke and a Big Mac simultaneously."

Starting Dec. 1, people who exhaust state benefits or one of the four "tiers" of Emergency Unemployment Compensation will be ineligible for another tier or for Extended Benefits. HuffPost readers: Are you in this boat? Tell us about it -- email arthur@huffingtonpost.com."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/still-no-plan-on-unemploy_n_784779.html

So you think the aircraft should just bounce off...okay then. Anyone here have a sane debate point here? The buidings were designed to withstand an aircraft hit and NOT FALL DOWN..and especially NOT BLOW UP...egads the IQ level of the duhniers have completely bottomed out.

Oooof...the building WERE designed to withstand an aircraft hit.

"Twin Towers' Designers Anticipated Jet Impacts Like September 11th's

Structural engineers who designed the Twin Towers carried out studies in the mid-1960s to determine how the buildings would fare if hit by large jetliners. In all cases the studies concluded that the Towers would survive the impacts and fires caused by the jetliners.

Evidence of these studies includes interviews with and papers and press releases issued by engineers who designed and oversaw construction of the World Trade Center.

1960s-era Jetliners Compared to Boeing 767s
Contrary to widely promoted misconceptions, the Boeing 767-200s used on 9/11/01 were only slightly larger than 707s and DC 8s, the types of jetliners whose impacts the World Trade Center's designers anticipated."

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

I highly boubt your credentials but I rely on the 1360 A&Es who are calling for a real investigation.

Please post your links to your extensive work in the field concerning the 9-11 events....would love to see them!

I have a Masters in the Obvious...

The point was and is that most of the fuel burned on the outside of the building...plus go ahead and sign up at AE and submit a paper...it can be peer reviewed there. I have no degree in engineering but who needs one to observe the obvious?

Can you link some of your papers so we can review them...got any? Really?

People need to remember that for every top graduate there's a bottom level which I think we are observing here.

Ooof.

"We hereby declare that the investigations into the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the illegal invasion of Iraq, Abramoff and other lobbyists, the hurricane Katrina response, and other major issues were inadequate and warrant review."

Colorado Democrats Call for New 9/11 Investigation: An Insider Tells Us How They Did It

"It’s true! The Democratic Platform for the state of Colorado is the first major party in the US to adopt a resolution for a new investigation into the official story of the events surrounding 9/11.

It started in 2004 when I, a complete novice in political processes, decided to participate in my precinct caucus in order to try to make a difference here in Colorado.1 The night before, I learned that the caucus is also a time to bring policy resolutions for consideration. Hurriedly, I wrote a resolution for a new, independent investigation into 9/11, figuring that here is an opportunity, at least, to educate a few more people. To my surprise, my precinct caucus neighbors voted for it!

The next step was to get it passed at the county level: the Denver County Assembly and Convention. To do this, I needed to get 10% of the attendees to sign a petition – another chance to educate more people! I needed 200 signatures, which I managed to get with the spontaneous help of a couple of other 9/11 truth activists. Now I could present this resolution to the Assembly, at the end of a long hard day, which wound up being attended by about 100 of the most serious participants.

Managing to transcend my considerable stage fright, and fearing I might be tarred and feathered, I read the full resolution aloud. The call for a vote came. To my shock, the resolution passed by 98%!

Discovering that the next step was the Colorado Platform Committee, I attended that meeting. Other dedicated activists were there as well, trying to figure out this mysterious process. (We could attend and comment, but not vote.) We were stunned to see that the Committee did not even have copies of the passed county platforms by which to determine what should be included at the state level. They were just going to decide unilaterally what they wanted on the state platform!

I firmly but politely confronted the chair of the committee about this. He replied testily, “We’re doing the best we can!” (I.e. sit down and shut up!) I replied back as testily, “No, you are not! Democracy has just flown out the window!”

Those more politically savvy than I informed me that the Democratic Party is controlled from the top down. What people want at the grassroots is not welcome, and when controversial resolutions are passed, they can be mysteriously removed at the state level. The State Platform Committee balks at including any resolutions not supported by the party’s presidential candidate –just the opposite of how a representative democracy is supposed to work.

Not to be deterred, in the months following, a few of the citizens who had been educated by our Colorado 9/11 Visibility speaking events joined the Colorado Democratic Platform Committee. In 2008, these people informed other committee members about the need for a new 9/11 investigation. In this same year, other Colorado citizens presented resolutions in their caucuses and county assemblies across the state. This time, they actually reached the Colorado Democratic Platform Committee, and, lo and behold, the following resolution was passed:

"We hereby declare that the investigations into the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the illegal invasion of Iraq, Abramoff and other lobbyists, the hurricane Katrina response, and other major issues were inadequate and warrant review.""

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/405-colorado-democrats-call-for-new-911-investigation-an-insider-tells-us-how-they-did-it.html

Here again, a posterchild hijacks a thread because he doesn't like it. I called a person's notion "stupid" not the person...this to get a thread kicked..again. When that's the only defense against reality then it'd be prudent to not comment at all.

GFY (Good For You!)



"1360 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 10286 other supporters, including AE students, have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation."

The petition is open to everyone.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Meh, debunking911 is a site that will not name it's owners and is a clearing house for BS beyond belief. It's a COINTELPRO operation to disuade discussion and to pervert the facts. FAIL!

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained. — Gandhi

http://brianrwright.com/Coffee_Coaster/03_Book_Reviews/2008/080123_Debunking_911_Debunking.htm

Oh goody, another "expert" who thinks that heat does not rise...egads, look at this photo again people. This building exploded....POOF!

No, this is for the people who think POX IS legit...sometimes they are..it's about .001% but the (WTC7) AD was the point of posting this. No one in "honoring" POX.

Stay on topic or go feed more alfalfa to the rabbits...

Because they are shills.

"Government-Funded Investigators Accused Of WTC Cover-Up
American Society of Civil Engineers lied about inability of skyscrapers to withstand airliner impacts

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, March 26, 2008


The American Society of Civil Engineers - an organization that was funded by FEMA to investigate the collapse of the twin towers on 9/11 - has been accused of engaging in a cover-up to protect the government, with critics charging the organization falsified conclusions that skyscrapers could not withstand getting hit by airplanes.

The group has been forced to convene an investigative panel which could lead to a suspension in government funding.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency paid the group about $257,000 to investigate the World Trade Center collapse and their report was released in 2002.

In an attempt to explain away the complete implosion of the twin towers shortly after the planes hit, the study concluded that skyscrapers were not designed to withstand jetliner impacts, a claim completely disproved by historical studies and contemporary investigations.

"Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner," reports the Associated Press.
[link to ap.google.com]

"Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers."

The group are also under scrutiny for their investigation of the failure of New Orleans' levees during Hurricane Katrina."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message526343/pg1

Excuse me but that is just downright stupid...I mean really.

Pardon? This speech is well known, it's in his own words...it's historical fact. I cannot believe you've never heard it nor believe it is true.

Here's another vid of historical fact.

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

A B C...9-11. We were warned....and ignored it..and it WILL happen again unless we prosecute the criminals.

The point is and remains that these pilots nor any pilots for that matter could not have flown that accurately to pull this off. I don't "make **** up", I posted a vid of a real pilot who backs me up and there's a whole org that says the same thing...Pilots for 9-11 Truth.

Still, FAIL! Keep lying for criminals...it shows a lack of ethics and morality to the highest degree.

PS-I've flown sims, one a Falcon Jet and also an EA6B in the Marines. I tried to fly the Falcon into the Sears Tower...It's nearly impossible at the speeds the planes that hit the towers were at.

It's just stupid to believe this went off as we were told. No GD way.

"Pilots For Truth Continues To Grow - New Core Members Added

In just 4 short years, Pilots For 9/11 Truth has grown to over 300 Verified Pilots and Aviation Professionals, almost 3000 forum members, even more petition signors, and continues to grow.

Visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core to browse the long and growing list of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core Members.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have made it their mission to determine the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 since it has become the day which has changed the world for us all with an overwhelming and growing number of questions unresolved.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the events which took place at the WTC, The Pentagon, and in Shankville, PA based on data provided by government agencies. Numerous presentations, technical papers and articles have been produced with more in the making including analysis of the Air Response on 9/11. Many radio, TV and Speaking engagements throughout the world have been accomplished, with more to come. There is a growing mountain of evidence which conflicts with the Government version of events."

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

300 real pilots against your truthiness...