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Thu 10/14/10 04:50 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 10/14/10 04:52 PM




Nothing's funny about child abuse. The Southern Baptist Convention leaders are now or have in the past covered up abuses. They have also attacked people who have come forward to charge they have been molested. How low can they go...real funny stuff huh?

If religious people don't want their religion tarnishied by bad news about their religious leader's hidings of pastor abuses then they should be calling for the removal and prosecution of those involved.




No the action isn't funny. But what you are trying to do is. Again the bible does not teach us to do what these people have done and are doing. This is their own choice, and they will have to face it in judgement because we have been instructed to do quite the opposite of what these people are doing.

And yes i agree with the removal of those involved. But nevertheless it does NOT reflect the faith as a whole.


Ya, I am sure all the Baptist and other religious people are working real hard to expose and remove them...yeah right. Same thing as with the Catholic church...deny and ignore. If I supported and/or gave money to an institution that had such crimes going on against children I'd at least apologize for not knowing then demand justice...and of course QUIT their org...why the SBC is allowed to keep taking money is criminal in itself. Some of that money will go to lawyers to defend child abusers/molesters? Really? Laugh it up!

Again, I don't see outrages and resolves happening. They just stay in the pretend world I guess..."we can do no wrong"...how childish.


"Emily Prevost (associate director of the Center for Effective Leadership of the Baptist General Convention of Texas): A clergy abuse survivor wrote to the Baptist General Convention of Texas saying that she was raped by a Texas Baptist minister when she was an adolescent girl, that the man was still a minister, and that she was hurt by the fact that no one helped her the first time she contacted the BGCT. Emily Prevost wrote back saying that the BGCT didn’t receive clergy abuse reports from victims and telling her that she should take her information to the church. (email correspondence of June 7, 2007) It’s the typical Baptist leader response, and it’s flat-out cruel. It’s like telling bloody sheep to go to the den of the wolf who savaged them."

"that the man was still a minister"


Again that's THAT churches ordeal. They will have to settle it themselves in the correct manner, finding a new pastor. They will be judged for their crimes by Jesus christ when the time comes. And the reason the law doesn't do anything about it, cause countless times people will claim that so and so did this or that to them, and it ends up being false. Has happened so many times the law has stopped investigating it for most times out of none it's a waste of time and false. And this does not, again, resemble anything along the christian faith and or how we are to behave. The bible tells us specifically sexual relations are for married couples, a man and woman. And that alone shows that what some catholics and baptists do, is not influenced by the faith in its own.


Nice religous denial there...the SBC is a few dozen MILLION strong.

Does the bible tell Baptist to ignore their own orgaization's abuses on children? Really? And no, sorry...they (the abusers that are being defend here by a Christian) will not get away with this and face the imaginary "higher power"...no no no, they need to be imprisoned for the reast of their lives.

How dare anyone defend child molesters and the people who allow this to happen, the people who STILL support the churches that abuse... and most bizzarly: calling the victims "liars" and dismissing the charges without looking into it...I cannot believe what I am reading here today.

“He must be very ignorant for he answers every question he is asked”
-Voltaire

Wayne Stockstill (former 2-term president of the California Southern Baptist Convention and senior pastor of FBC-Hesperia): Rationalized his do-nothingness by saying he “erred on the side of grace” when he kept quiet about a deacon’s molestation of children in his church. Police believe there were more victims.



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Thu 10/14/10 04:34 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 10/14/10 04:35 PM
They're not always as advertised...


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Thu 10/14/10 04:28 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 10/14/10 04:28 PM


Nothing's funny about child abuse. The Southern Baptist Convention leaders are now or have in the past covered up abuses. They have also attacked people who have come forward to charge they have been molested. How low can they go...real funny stuff huh?

If religious people don't want their religion tarnishied by bad news about their religious leader's hidings of pastor abuses then they should be calling for the removal and prosecution of those involved.




No the action isn't funny. But what you are trying to do is. Again the bible does not teach us to do what these people have done and are doing. This is their own choice, and they will have to face it in judgement because we have been instructed to do quite the opposite of what these people are doing.

And yes i agree with the removal of those involved. But nevertheless it does NOT reflect the faith as a whole.


Ya, I am sure all the Baptist and other religious people are working real hard to expose and remove them...yeah right. Same thing as with the Catholic church...deny and ignore. If I supported and/or gave money to an institution that had such crimes going on against children I'd at least apologize for not knowing then demand justice...and of course QUIT their org...why the SBC is allowed to keep taking money is criminal in itself. Some of that money will go to lawyers to defend child abusers/molesters? Really? Laugh it up!

Again, I don't see outrages and resolves happening. They just stay in the pretend world I guess..."we can do no wrong"...how childish.


"Emily Prevost (associate director of the Center for Effective Leadership of the Baptist General Convention of Texas): A clergy abuse survivor wrote to the Baptist General Convention of Texas saying that she was raped by a Texas Baptist minister when she was an adolescent girl, that the man was still a minister, and that she was hurt by the fact that no one helped her the first time she contacted the BGCT. Emily Prevost wrote back saying that the BGCT didn’t receive clergy abuse reports from victims and telling her that she should take her information to the church. (email correspondence of June 7, 2007) It’s the typical Baptist leader response, and it’s flat-out cruel. It’s like telling bloody sheep to go to the den of the wolf who savaged them."

"that the man was still a minister"

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Thu 10/14/10 04:02 PM
Nothing's funny about child abuse. The Southern Baptist Convention leaders are now or have in the past covered up abuses. They have also attacked people who have come forward to charge they have been molested. How low can they go...real funny stuff huh?

If religious people don't want their religion tarnishied by bad news about their religious leader's hidings of pastor abuses then they should be calling for the removal and prosecution of those involved.


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Thu 10/14/10 02:57 PM

oh yeah she's hawt, I'd do her...and her husband, he's really hawt, I'd do em both..hmmm at the same time, yeah, that's the ticket.




You're funny!

~~~

I once walked in on my wife screwing my best friend, I said, "Whoa man!, I am married to her so I have to, but you!?" Why!?

Palin? NFW...I respect my right hand much more.






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Thu 10/14/10 02:47 PM
It appears that the Catholics are not alone in charges of child sexual abuse and misconduct. Some in high places in the Baptist community, former Southern Baptist Convention members resist this issue as much as the Catholic ranks have.

Parents need to be mindful that predators and criminals can be anywhere. Just because a man adds "pastor" to his name makes him no more trustworthy than any other person of any religion...or non-religion.



"This "little light" shines for the many clergy abuse victims whose voices have been silenced. Silenced by shame. Silenced by the false instruction of religious leaders. Silenced by church shunning and bullying. Silenced by church contracts for secrecy. Silenced by suicide. The mission of StopBaptistPredators.org is to break the silence of Baptist clergy sex abuse."

Report Titles:

LifeWay background-check service finds hundreds of felonies

British Baptist minister is charged with aggravated sexual battery of two boys in the U.S. He was prior executive assistant to the president of the Baptist World Alliance.

Georgia: Registered sex offender becomes Baptist pastor

Vocal opponent of pastor's appointment was tossed out of the church.

Georgia: Lawsuits accuse Baptist megachurch pastor Eddie Long of sexual coercion with "spiritual sons"

Attorney says "church officials knew about the abuse and failed to stop it."

Collusions:

"Paige Patterson (former SBC president and current president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary): Denounced the clergy abuse survivors' support group as "evil-doers.” Patterson himself turned a deaf ear to numerous reports of sexual abuse involving pastor Darrell Gilyard, including reports brought by students who were under Patterson’s charge while he was president of a Baptist college. Gilyard went on to accumulate many more abuse allegations, and he was ultimately convicted on child sex charges in Florida."

"Ed Pettibone (retired Baptist pastor): Over the course of several years, repeatedly posted mean-spirited, victim-blaming comments on a Baptist blog whenever the clergy sex abuse topic was raised. For example, in discussion of a case involving a convicted 49-year-old pastor’s sexual abuse of a 15-year-old church girl, Pettibone suggested that the parents needed lessons in retaking control of their teen and then used the “two to tango” line."

"Mike Roy (former pastor of First Baptist Church of Greenwood, MO): Allowed a staff minister to continue working with kids for four months after police notified him that the minister was under investigation for child sex abuse. Authorities believe the minister was able to abuse at least 2 more boys during that time. In what was later described as “Missouri’s biggest clergy sex abuse” case, the minister whom Roy shielded was ultimately convicted of molesting numerous Missouri church boys, and he was also convicted of molesting children at 3 Kentucky Baptist churches where he worked previously."

More...many many more:

http://stopbaptistpredators.org/collusion_individuals.html#PaigePatterson

Website and links to reports:

http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

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Thu 10/14/10 12:24 PM



MiddleEarthling

"We pay taxes and expect a fair, just and a well run system."

Government is, and has been for some time, the largest single entity within our system. Its size has reachd the point where (in order to survive at its current level of power) it MUST take from its citizens that which we all work so hard for and in the process remove from us the power we actually hold within the system (government by the people).

Fair, just and well run only covers what the government should be. What our current government is be far different. National Government should only be concerned with defense of the nation, administration of justice (by constitution) for the citizens, and oversight of the free market to insure just products and wages. (any needed 'government' beyond that should be delt with at the local community level - as each community needs).

Anything else that various governmental agencies have sprung up to 'control' simply adds to the expense of government and an increase in taxation to 'fund' those 'agencies'.

The larger the system the further from 'well run' it will become and the greater will be the 'expenditures' necessary to allow it to continue to be inefficent.

Taxes to the individual in a 'well run' republic should never exceed 10%.



Yes the costs are out of control. That's why we need to end the Dippic's tax cuts for the top 2% that take about 45% of the earnings...make them pay taxes again. the other 98% got a tax break last year and there's no plans to increase their taxes...dispite the rhetoric being promoted by RW speak.

There are many areas that need improvement. HC costs are out of control and we use little or no prevention health wise in this country. For example teen alcohol use alone costs taxpayers $60 billion a year while the Alcohol Indutry enjoys about $20 billion in profits. Remember this does not include the long term costs of addiction/incarceration due to this epidemic. Unfortunately we allow the AI to sell drugs with no Drug Facts labels and allow them to advetise as if their drug is "socially acceptable"...It's a mess!

In all, we need smarter government as well. Allowing industries to pervert our system for their profits has to be ended. Look up Corporate Socialism to fully understand the crisis.

PS, Sure "republic" but we operate as a democracy...for now.


The costs are out of control because government is sucking down to large a percentage of earnings. Shrink it down to size and there is no need for large 'funding' mandates or false 'robin hood'retoric.

My parents taught me about alcohol. (no taxpayer funded interference there). The government does not 'allow' industries to 'prevert' our system. Those in power 'actively' pursure laws which aid the portions of business that bring those in power profit. Business can not 'pervert' a system that does not assist in the perversion.

When we allow persons to 'sit' in seats of power for years upon years they will become corrupted by the power.
(my parents taught me that also).

As far as your 'teen alcohol' example... That is best handled at local comunity levels. (each community has it to a differing degree).


Okay, how about "exploit" (with money) our representatives? Bottom line is OUR representations have been negated by the greedy corporations. Better?

And on the teen drinking thing I used as an example....The states can't regulate the product alcohol...that's got to come from the FDA, the CDC, and the ATF&E.

Here's how Oklahoma is dealing with it..see my comments at the end of the news story. I have done my homework on this and met with several state officials on this matter...they could care less.

http://speakoklahoma.freeforums.org/children-of-incarcerated-oklahomans-pay-heavy-price-t5.html

Connect the dots..

Thanks




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Thu 10/14/10 12:07 PM

Manhattan UFO sightings are rare, but one spotted on Wednesday October 13, prompted the public information hotline to ring with dozens of calls about the object of unknown origin appearance, according to CBS news' The Early Show.

A CBS video showed the usually unflappable New Yorkers grouped together on the street, staring up at the sky and pointing.

The crowd in the video spoke about the unusual nature of the sighting as the footage shows the triple sphere objects in the sky over Manhattan.



"We'll let people draw their own conclusions as to what they saw in the air over New York City,” said FAA spokesman Jim Peters on Newsday.com.

"The Federal Aviation Administration says, they remain, well ... unidentified. As in UFOs," quipped newsday.com.

video here
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/44238/


Yeah well they said a "prophet" predicted this in a book that on 10.13.10 they would appear...the guy is YAHWEH who uses laser lights to create this illusion...he's been doing this fo years and once in a while a news org or people "bite".

Sorry, this is a faked sighting...

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Thu 10/14/10 10:02 AM

MiddleEarthling

"We pay taxes and expect a fair, just and a well run system."

Government is, and has been for some time, the largest single entity within our system. Its size has reachd the point where (in order to survive at its current level of power) it MUST take from its citizens that which we all work so hard for and in the process remove from us the power we actually hold within the system (government by the people).

Fair, just and well run only covers what the government should be. What our current government is be far different. National Government should only be concerned with defense of the nation, administration of justice (by constitution) for the citizens, and oversight of the free market to insure just products and wages. (any needed 'government' beyond that should be delt with at the local community level - as each community needs).

Anything else that various governmental agencies have sprung up to 'control' simply adds to the expense of government and an increase in taxation to 'fund' those 'agencies'.

The larger the system the further from 'well run' it will become and the greater will be the 'expenditures' necessary to allow it to continue to be inefficent.

Taxes to the individual in a 'well run' republic should never exceed 10%.



Yes the costs are out of control. That's why we need to end the Dippic's tax cuts for the top 2% that take about 45% of the earnings...make them pay taxes again. the other 98% got a tax break last year and there's no plans to increase their taxes...dispite the rhetoric being promoted by RW speak.

There are many areas that need improvement. HC costs are out of control and we use little or no prevention health wise in this country. For example teen alcohol use alone costs taxpayers $60 billion a year while the Alcohol Indutry enjoys about $20 billion in profits. Remember this does not include the long term costs of addiction/incarceration due to this epidemic. Unfortunately we allow the AI to sell drugs with no Drug Facts labels and allow them to advetise as if their drug is "socially acceptable"...It's a mess!

In all, we need smarter government as well. Allowing industries to pervert our system for their profits has to be ended. Look up Corporate Socialism to fully understand the crisis.

PS, Sure "republic" but we operate as a democracy...for now.





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Thu 10/14/10 09:12 AM
I tried cybersex once...quite difficult to type with only one handlaugh

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Thu 10/14/10 08:37 AM






"Atheist Wiccan"

slaphead


There can be no such thing.

Theism is to believe in outer worldly spirits or beings that influence this world.

Wiccan believe this to be true.

As to the OP, there are some extremely smart theists as well as atheists. I find non angry atheists to be more aligned with my intelligence.




I guess that makes ME the "angry atheist"...sad ...shucks we need more of them. Imagine if most people were atheist we'd have had about 75% less conflicts in the history of humans. :cry:

If I rail I rail for the victims of religion and demand my fellow humans wake up and smell the BS before they take one more life.



PS: If an intelligent theist does not believe in evolution they have a screw loose somewhere...



In all honesty, often in history religion was used as an excuse for doing bad things. W/o it, bad people would've, no doubt, found other excuses for doing bad things.
However, you are correct. Humanity would've had fewer conflicts and be much more advanced if it had not the encumberance of religion.


I disagree....religion gave them a writ and a system to enslave, rape, discriminate, and murder so many people...estimated at 850 million murdered I think so far..make that 851 Million since the Christians supported two failed wars in the Middle East.

Organized religion gives bad people a tool to use to control people. Also people individually use it to justify their ignorances...or are just prone to superstitions...or brainwashed in many cases.

No, except for greed then without organized religion I doubt they'd be fighting over the weatherlaugh


Really? You really can't see groups of humans doing really bad things w/o religion?

Tribe1: Hey! Those people over there look different. Let's go beat them up.
Tribe2: Hey! Those people over there have stuff we want. Let's go beat them up and take it.
Tribe3: Hey! We're stronger than those people. Let's go beat them up and force them to become OUR people.
Tribe4: Hey! Those people might attack us. Let's go kill them before they do.

Humans are like that. Not all of them, of course. But enough. Twas always thus. Since the beginning of human history and humans were still gather/scavengers living in extended family groups in the wilds of Africa. It is only in recent history that it's been generally recognized that killing for profit is wrong, that slavery is wrong ect. Humans have got about 10 million years of instinct to do bad things to get over. Religion has purpetuated this, to be sure. And been used as an excuse. Capitolized on it. But it was never the cause.


Tribe 5= "Hey they paint their faces with green paint, we use red so let's slaughter them"

But I think we agree that religion is the leading factor here.

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Wed 10/13/10 06:38 PM

I remember being taught that American was the great "melting pot"..that different ethnicities came together to form a great nation..there is a defininte sense of pride and a unique identity that goes with being "an American". Even if you guys cant put your finger on it, the rest of the world understands it..

Seems now a days, the focus is more on the differences rather than the similarities, with an eye on where you come from rather than where you are now..its a pity really..so much divisivness...hope you all are able to over come it and come together as one nation again.


Yeah I heard that too but I also heard my 7th grade school teacher say to the class, "You know, the KKK does some good things".

The "American dream"...that's the problem, we were just dreaming.

America is a young country and it still has a long way to go to grow up.

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Wed 10/13/10 05:55 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 10/13/10 05:59 PM

Concerned citizens?

It's called fearmongering.

Telling people something bad is going to happen because of Obama is fearmongering.

I wish my computer played videos cause there are some good ones.


I can't believe the T-bagger supporters deny this...too funny. Listen to these stirred up and disturbed people shouting down another THM...egads, remember last summer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbs0ozEVBc

Comment from the video page:

"These are not reasonable people we are dealing with. They don't know what they are shouting about. They've absorbed the (affected) rage from their radios and TVs. The town hall idea is a good one, but there is a simple reason why they are bearing no fruit: loud, misinformed fools who shrug off all the rules of civil discourse simply in order to be the loudest voice in the room. A strong moderator is an absolute necessity."

POX, AM Radio and T-bag candidates are all over fear mongering...Sharon Angle said this: "If we don't win with our votes then we have to consider a 2nd Ammendment Remedy"...so they are not only fear mongering they are inciting violence if they do not get their way.


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Wed 10/13/10 05:42 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 10/13/10 05:42 PM
Religion is oil and science is water. You can drink all the oil you want but I'll stick to water...and stay regular.

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Wed 10/13/10 05:36 PM



An earthquake that struck central Oklahoma today was the second-strongest in the state's history, the Oklahoma Geological Survey reported. No significant damage or serious injuries have been reported with the quake, which was felt in three states. The epicenter was about 8 miles southeast of Norman. People reported to the USGS that they felt the earthquake from as far away as Brentwood, Tenn. (953 miles away); Fenton, Mo. (707 miles); Fort Leavenworth, Kan. (504 miles); Glenmora, La. (635 miles); Little Rock Air Force Base, Ark. (439 miles); and Round Rock, Texas (519 miles).
two people suffered falls and needed medical care.

Oklahoma City resident Kenneth Tankersley, 52, was one of them. He broke his left ankle when he fell from a ladder outside his house as the earthquake struck. He said he was trying to take down an antenna when the ground shook.



Read more:http://newsok.com/magnitude-4.5-earthquake-shook-oklahoma-this-morning/article/3504094#ixzz12HaGM3us


It's being called a 5.1, the epicenter is at Lake Thunderbird south of OKC. Last time we had one that large was 1952 in El Reno at 5.5.

Maybe Oklahoma is finally growing a mountain.laugh



there is some small mountains in eastern OK., near Arkanasas.
but there was another quake in upper michigan, at the furthest northern tip of the fault line that runs though the midwest...they are thinking a major quake will happen soon in around the westrn tennesse areas, like the quake that happened in 1850's. It accually made the Mississippi River backflow north and flooded a huge section there.


Ya, the New Madrid fault. It is due anytime...

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Wed 10/13/10 05:01 PM



your right, the Tea Party movement is not a phenom. It is perhaps the most Amercan thing to happen to politics in our lifetime. I have been to several rallies, and have witnessed nothing other than concerned citizens who are afraid of the direction our country has been taking. As an ex soldier, who took an oath to defend the Constitution, I feel good about the effort by regular patriotic Americans to do the same. God bless America!!!


I disagree. There is nothing patriotic about the fearmongering of the tea partiers. They are using the same tired rhetoric of the Republican party. The direction of our country was set before Obama.



Give us some legitimate sources that show (video) Tea Party fear mongering!







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Wed 10/13/10 04:54 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 10/13/10 04:58 PM




"Atheist Wiccan"

slaphead


There can be no such thing.

Theism is to believe in outer worldly spirits or beings that influence this world.

Wiccan believe this to be true.

As to the OP, there are some extremely smart theists as well as atheists. I find non angry atheists to be more aligned with my intelligence.




I guess that makes ME the "angry atheist"...sad ...shucks we need more of them. Imagine if most people were atheist we'd have had about 75% less conflicts in the history of humans. :cry:

If I rail I rail for the victims of religion and demand my fellow humans wake up and smell the BS before they take one more life.



PS: If an intelligent theist does not believe in evolution they have a screw loose somewhere...



In all honesty, often in history religion was used as an excuse for doing bad things. W/o it, bad people would've, no doubt, found other excuses for doing bad things.
However, you are correct. Humanity would've had fewer conflicts and be much more advanced if it had not the encumberance of religion.


I disagree....religion gave them a writ and a system to enslave, rape, discriminate, and murder so many people...estimated at 850 million murdered I think so far..make that 851 Million since the Christians supported two failed wars in the Middle East.

Organized religion gives bad people a tool to use to control people. Also people individually use it to justify their ignorances...or are just prone to superstitions...or brainwashed in many cases.

No, except for greed then without organized religion I doubt they'd be fighting over the weatherlaugh

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Wed 10/13/10 04:23 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 10/13/10 04:24 PM
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country"

How could anyone believe in this statement then vote for the GOP/T-baggers?

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Wed 10/13/10 04:19 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 10/13/10 04:43 PM

An earthquake that struck central Oklahoma today was the second-strongest in the state's history, the Oklahoma Geological Survey reported. No significant damage or serious injuries have been reported with the quake, which was felt in three states. The epicenter was about 8 miles southeast of Norman. People reported to the USGS that they felt the earthquake from as far away as Brentwood, Tenn. (953 miles away); Fenton, Mo. (707 miles); Fort Leavenworth, Kan. (504 miles); Glenmora, La. (635 miles); Little Rock Air Force Base, Ark. (439 miles); and Round Rock, Texas (519 miles).
two people suffered falls and needed medical care.

Oklahoma City resident Kenneth Tankersley, 52, was one of them. He broke his left ankle when he fell from a ladder outside his house as the earthquake struck. He said he was trying to take down an antenna when the ground shook.



Read more:http://newsok.com/magnitude-4.5-earthquake-shook-oklahoma-this-morning/article/3504094#ixzz12HaGM3us


It's being called a 5.1, the epicenter is at Lake Thunderbird south of OKC. Last time we had one that large was 1952 in El Reno at 5.5.

Maybe Oklahoma is finally growing a mountain.laugh



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Wed 10/13/10 04:00 PM


the million dollar questions are why NOW and why Blame Obama and what made it become TOO MUCH,,?

government programs, and government spending have been going on for quite a while

so why did it become so urgent NOW? and why the clamoring to tie all these LONG LIVEED issues directly to OBama personally?

also...
when did the government tell us what we HAVE to eat or drink?
when did the government tell us what car we HAVE to drive?
when did they tell us what toilet we can use?
when did the they tell us what light bulb to use?



its kind of a political version of a bully, to me
the kid on the playground who comes and punches you in the face everyday until you start organizing a group to beat his behind and then he starts reaming about how the violence has to stop...lol


where were these same people when welfare, medicare, medicaid, tax funded war were in their hayday and their inception and before the MASSES started to actually benefit from them?

why are so many screaming SMALLER government but still riding scooters and recieving medicare? how are THEY going to decide who should suffer the cutbacks and I wonder who they are going to decide that should be (Hint: NOT THEM),,,,


just sounds to me like its 'fine to give it to us but not to all of them'




If McCain had won 2008 the Tea Parties would be tearing him up also... This ain't about RACE. It does not matter which hack sits the seat. What matters is...

Government is to large. Elected officals (with way to much time in office) are acting like old style British Lords. Outrageous spending is being made over the loud protest of more than a majority of citizens. Taxes are being raised in sneaky and underhanded ways to pay for it. Government BY the people has become government OVER the people.

The Tea Parties were bound to happen. If they had not been called Tea Parties there would have been another name.

Given the average individualism of most Americans what they are attempting to do(put government in its place as Government BY the People)would have happened by violence if the Tea Parties had not sprung up.


"If McCain had won in 2008"...I wished he'd have won in 2000 if that were the choice between him or the Dippic (we had for 8 miserable years...and beyond because of it).

You don't address that the congress would still be DEMS. I doubt this recovery would have had sane leadership from an aging McCain and a zealoted Palin in the WH...good grief what a disaster.

The DEMS should be running on "It could have been worse" as campaign point and that alone should keep the power away from the people who caused the damage in the first place.

I agree that government is too big...you know, being in people's lives. I think the Drug War should end. I think women should not be restricted in their reproductive health choices. I think it's not the government's business as to one's sexuality in the military or in who wants to marry whom. I want rendition ended and other violations of the Bill of Rights ended. I want secret society's influences exposed and deposed. (RE:C-Street)

How's that for a start to reducing Big Gubberment?

I DO want goverment to work effectively in defending and protecting us. Make sure our houses don't burn down (RE: Obion, Tn). I want the government to have oversight of corruptions in all areas.I want them to fix our pot holes too...lol. Point being that outsourcing government is a BAD idea.

We pay taxes and expect a fair, just and a well run system.





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